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Population growth: 2 million more people for Perth

neddy

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Migrants heading for Perth ... take note: Perth to absorb 2 million more

Perth will sprawl further than New York City, be clogged with cars and people will live in each other's pockets as the city groans under the weight of an extra two million residents over the next 40 years.

An analysis of how Perth is growing and will grow as more people call the city home also warns that more desalination plants, thousands of kilometres of roads and hundreds of schools will have to be built to cope with the surge in residents.

The Australian Bureau of Statistics is forecasting Perth's population to hit 3.8 million from its current 1.7 million by 2050.

For the first time the bureau has looked at what that will mean to Perth residents - and the picture is dominated by sprawling suburbs and long journeys to work.

Already the city covers 5423sq km (Singapore is 682.7sq km) but statistician Phil Smythe found that if the population reached 3.8 million, and even if housing density increased, Perth would sprawl over 12,000sq km.

New York City, home to 17.8 million people, covers 8700sq km.
Perth would stretch from the coastal hamlet of Lancelin in the north to the Lakes turn-off in the Perth Hills and south to a point midway between Mandurah and Bunbury.

The population density of Perth would increase to 710 people for every square kilometre, up from 319.
Mr Smythe said the number of vehicles would swell from 900,000 to almost two million.
Thousands of kilometres of roads would have to be built to cope with the extra traffic, and the use of public transport would have to increase dramatically.

Mr Smythe said fewer than 10 per cent of Perth residents used public transport now but that would have to increase to avoid serious congestion.

More desalination plants would be necessary to cope with the increased demand for water, and power generation would have to more than double to supply the energy demands.

There would be challenges for the city's education system, with the number of schools likely to more than double to 2300 with 600,000 students.

"This may mean stiff competition for school names," he said. "Already there are 73 schools named after saints, including 12 after St Joseph and nine after St Mary."

Professor of sustainability at Curtin University, Peter Newman, said the attitudes of Perth residents would change, as they were already in the US, with more people moving back towards the city centre rather than out to the suburban fringes.

He said there were huge costs associated with suburban growth, from transport to health, and it meant more people were now looking to higher density or inner-city life.

"You'll see places like Mandurah, Kwinana, Rockingham, Karrinyup and Morley fill up, especially as younger people start giving up their cars," he said.

Treasurer Wayne Swan said yesterday that people who demanded a cap on Australia's population were too narrowly focused in their complaints.

"It is all too easy to speak of the costs of an increased population, and forget the benefits," he said. "This is a mistake too often made."
 

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2 million is a lot of people but still manageable. When it hit 3.8 million, it will be as crowded and busy as in Singapore. But Australia is big, as the population grows, the city can grow in space, Singapore can only reclaim that much of land
 

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2 million is a lot of people but still manageable. When it hit 3.8 million, it will be as crowded and busy as in Singapore. But Australia is big, as the population grows, the city can grow in space, Singapore can only reclaim that much of land

i concur perth can still grow...if they manage it well....aust with its vast land and standing on a 21million population is just too little....35-40million would be alright....a big land with many empty spaces
 

fishbuff

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the whole WA can cover the countries of britain, spain, france and germany combined together.

btw, is st. hillary a good suburb?
 

neddy

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the whole WA can cover the countries of britain, spain, france and germany combined together.

btw, is st. hillary a good suburb?

I have not heard anything bad about the suburb. Not sure about the schools.

Popular with Poms because it is close to sea (Sunset Coast) - can launch boat to catch seafood from the harbour.

Perhaps our moderator can provide more info.

http://charts.aussiehome.com/newchart2.aspx?su=Hillarys

As for the size of WA, I think Geraldton and Bunbury will be the up and coming cities in WA. Perth is already coming close to 10 times the size of Singapore.
 

neddy

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i concur perth can still grow...if they manage it well....aust with its vast land and standing on a 21million population is just too little....35-40million would be alright....a big land with many empty spaces

but no water !!!!
Need desalination plants.
 

fishbuff

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but no water !!!!
Need desalination plants.

just blow a hole in the ground and start collecting rain water.

or construct a huge solar panel system that will focus sun rays onto a single container, pump sea water in the container, super heated to turn to steam, steam generates the electric turbine and steam get condensed in condenser to form distill water.. everything run by solar energy..
 

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No rain.
We are having drought and the recent storm turned out to be damaging hail.

We thought of transporting water from Kimberley.

and the pipeline will be much longer than this one http://www.goldenpipeline.com.au/00/index.shtml :biggrin:

i always have this idea, that if oz can make a big hole somewhere near alice spring and flood it with sea water by digging a canal from the sea inward, then u can increase the humidity inland and the chances of precipitation.
 

neddy

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i always have this idea, that if oz can make a big hole somewhere near alice spring and flood it with sea water by digging a canal from the sea inward, then u can increase the humidity inland and the chances of precipitation.

Sound like a good idea. Maybe you can make it your alternative career and get a research grant from govt to develop the idea. :smile:

Lake Eyre is usually a dry lake,but once every 7-10? years, the storm comes and fill up the lake. Then, the place become lively with wildlife.

Some species of birds are known to only breed in Lake Eyre.

Then, the lake will slowly dry up again. It is all part of the weather pattern.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/events/lake-eyre/




"HUMAN PROJECTS ARE NEVER AS EFFICIENT AS NATURE."
 

neddy

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Perth land dearest in nation
SHANE WRIGHT ECONOMICS EDITOR, The West Australian April 20, 2010, 2:25 am
Perth land dearest in nation
The West Australian ©

Perth has overtaken Sydney as the most expensive city in the country to buy blocks of land, with a single square metre of "prime earth" now costing an average of $521.

Despite the price rise, the housing industry expects the number of sales to increase this year.

New figures compiled by RP Data and the Housing Industry Association found the cost of land in Perth climbed by $73sqm last year, while in Sydney it fell $69 to $497sqm.

Between 2002 and 2009 the price of land in Perth per square metre climbed 218 per cent, the fastest rate of any capital city in the country.

By contrast, land rose in value by just 22 per cent in Sydney, the smallest increase of any capital.

And the HIA fears the sharp lift in land prices will reverberate through the housing and rental markets, with the association's chief economist Harley Dale warning more financial pain is on the way.

"Throughout the last housing up-cycle, land values consistently grew at a substantially faster pace than construction costs and the general rate of inflation. Only six months into a new home building recovery this situation is happening all over again," he said.

"If this situation continues then the recovery will stall, the housing shortage will worsen, and there will be upward pressure on rents and on existing home values that could have been avoided."

The median price of a residential block of land in Perth now stands at $245,000, up 8.4 per cent over the past three months and more than 11 per cent over the past year.

Sales were up 15.5 per cent over the year, although sales in the second half of 2009 were 43 per cent higher than for the last six months of 2008.

According to the HIA, conditions look strong for sales in coming months despite the high prices.

"While there was some momentum lost in land sales in the December quarter, recent quarterly volumes have been strong which will stoke the first of the fire of the strongest housing recovery in the country," it said.

"WA can expect a very solid year of new home building in 2010."

The price spiral is not confined to Perth. The median lot price in the South-West now stands at $170,000, making it the sixth most expensive regional market in the country. At $296sqm, land in the South-West is more expensive than most of Tasmania, Victoria and South Australia.

The Reserve Bank lifted official interest rates at the start of the month in part because of its growing fears over a renewed housing boom.
Minutes from the Reserve board meeting of April 6, out today, will go into some of the details of those concerns while governor Glenn Stevens is expected to touch on the issue when he speaks in Queensland on Friday.
 

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WA has number one economy in Australia, CommSec
Rebecca Lawson From: PerthNow July 26, 2010 8:10AM 2

A STRONG job market and the rising demand for resources has helped propel WA as the nation’s best performing economy, a new survey shows.

The latest CommSec state and territory economic rankings conclude that WA “has now fully shrugged off the effects of the global financial crisis”, making it the nation’s top economy.

The ACT had held the title for the past two quarterly surveys.

“Western Australia had felt the cool winds of the global financial crisis during 2009,” CommSec chief economist Craig James said.

“But with that episode now behind, the Western Australian economy has bounced back solidly, underpinned by low unemployment, firm retail spending and rising construction.”

WA currently has an unemployment rate of 4.1 per cent,

CommSec assessed each of the states and territories on eight key indicators – economic growth, retail spending, equipment investment, unemployment, construction work done, population growth, housing finance and dwelling commencements.

WA scored high marks for most of the categories, however were marked down in population growth and housing finance.

The ACT was the second best-performing economy in the country, followed by South Australia, Northern Territory, Victoria and Tasmania, while Queensland and New South Wales were equal seventh.

“Western Australia is well positioned for growth as a consequence of strong Chinese and Indian demand for resources,” Mr James said.

“But the state is exposed to the same macroeconomic forces as other state and territory economies, especially interest rates.

“And Western Australia – alongside the ACT and Northern Territory – faces the challenges posed by tight labour markets such as securing workers and keeping labour costs down.

“Looking ahead, Western Australia is well placed to maintain its ranking as best performing state, but the bigger states – Victoria, Queensland and NSW – seem well placed to regain some of the ground lost in the global financial crisis.”
 

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2 million is a lot of people but still manageable. When it hit 3.8 million, it will be as crowded and busy as in Singapore. But Australia is big, as the population grows, the city can grow in space, Singapore can only reclaim that much of land

it is not the space, it is how we manage..malaysia, thailand and philippines have plenty of lands, but their ppl just dun know how to manage...
ur city can grow is space, but water management is still lacking.
 

johnsgp1

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just blow a hole in the ground and start collecting rain water.

or construct a huge solar panel system that will focus sun rays onto a single container, pump sea water in the container, super heated to turn to steam, steam generates the electric turbine and steam get condensed in condenser to form distill water.. everything run by solar energy..

Great idea..who is going to implement it? this current PM or the next one?
 
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