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5张中国直升机如何治好“心脏病”
说起我国空军的“20家族”,大家都知道是运20、直20和轰20。目前运20已经批量服役,生产速度不断加快,而直20也在网上曝光了许多图片,即将参加今年的珠海航展。三者中间,只有轰20一直被遮掩地严严实实,从未有过真正意义上的露面。
小编认为这张图最接近轰20真正的样子
不过就在近日,国内某知名军事论坛曝光了一张照片,展示了一个激光增材制造的飞机钛合金超大型整体承力框,据称该承力框面积达16个平方,是迄今为止世界上最大的激光增材制造钛合金构件。所谓的激光增材制造,也就是俗称的3D打印,此前我国曾公开展示过歼31的3D打印钛合金整体承力框,美国F22的类似结构也能在网上搜到,它们虽然技术都很先进,但是面积很小,和16平方米相去甚远,这样看来,这次曝光的钛合金超大型整体承力框只可能用在大中型飞机上。
某知名军事论坛曝光的超大型钛合金整体承力框
此前曝光的歼31钛合金整体承力框
F22的钛合金整体承力框,与此次的完全不同

目前我国正在生产、研制和改进的大中型飞机包括运20、C919、AG600、运9、轰6和轰20。从曝光的构建上两个圆孔来说,就排除了前面5项的可能性,因为这从这两个圆孔的大小来看,明显是为发动机穿过而预留的结构,我国哪种大中型飞机,有将两台发动机如此紧贴在一起的布局?答案是只有轰20。
轰20采用4台发动机,两两并联
如果按网络的传言,轰20的设计类似于B2,而B2采用四台发动机,左右各两台并联在一起。从此次曝光的整体承力框的梯形结构可以看出,它应该是轰20左侧机身,并列两台发动机的整体承力框,而且从其一人多高的大小来看,应该处于飞机尾部位置,如果是机身中部的整体承力框,应该更高更大,而且在下半部还预留有弹舱的结构。
这张图能看得更清楚了,就是飞机左侧机身两台发动机处的结构
实际上,网上有关轰20的图片和消息绝大部分都是假的,真正有意义的只有四条。第一条是2016年9月1日,空军司令马晓天在长春航展接受深圳卫视的采访时,称“中国现在的远程打击能力比过去有了很大的提高,将来还会有更大的提高,我们现在正在发展新一代的远程轰炸机,将来你会看到的”。
这是官方首次证实我国新一代轰炸机的存在

而时隔一年之后,2017年的长春航展上,空军司令马晓天在同一地点面对香港媒体的现场提问国产远程轰炸机时,霸气回应:有也不告诉你啊。那么到底是有,还是没有呢,留下无尽的空间让大家猜想。
有也不告诉你啊,怼得漂亮
第二条是今年5月,西飞发布的一段三维宣传视频《大国起飞》中,在片尾出现了一款从未亮相的神秘飞机,虽然蒙着一层帆布,但是仍可以从轮廓看出这是一架没有垂直尾翼、大翼展的飞机,与美国B2隐形轰炸机相似。虽然最终证实这只是宣传片制作方按照美国洛克希德公司类似的视频制作的特效,但是作为西飞推出的宣传片,在片尾如此重要的位置出现疑似轰20的特效画面,一定程度上代表着官方的态度和意思。
这个画面虽然是特效,但是意味深长
而第三条则是7月底,在西安飞机工业公司的官方媒体中,首次披露了这样一段试制信息。该报道称,某项目S弯排气管尾段样件顺利交付一飞院!大家判断,该S弯排气管尾段是轰20的关键部件,它通过复杂的内部结构,将发动机排出的炙热气流进行冷却,以降低红外信号,这是隐形轰炸机实现隐形功能的重要手段。不过,这次曝光只配上了网络上的3D图片,而没有真实的照片。
传研制轰20的弯管结构
它在飞机上的样子是这样的
这张看得更清楚

和前三次只见其声,未见其人的曝光不同,第四次曝光首次出现了激光增材制造的飞机钛合金超大型整体承力框的真实照片,如果小编的判断属实的话,这无疑是轰20从幕后走向台前的重要一步,随着轰20研制的顺利推进,估计今后曝光的东西会越来越多,大家静静等待那激动人心的时刻就行了。(作者署名:铁翼苍穹)



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Key structure exposure of China's new bomber Xifei creates mysterious titanium alloy parts
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Speaking of the "20 family" of the Chinese Air Force, everyone knows that it is 20, 20 and 20. At present, Yun 20 has been in service in batches, and the production speed is accelerating, and Zhi 20 has also exposed many pictures on the Internet, and will participate in this year's Zhuhai Air Show. Among the three, only the 20 has been covered up and has never been seen in the true sense.
Xiao Bian thinks this picture is the closest to the real 20
However, just recently, a well-known military forum in China exposed a photo showing a super-large overall bearing frame of a titanium alloy made by laser additive. It is said that the bearing frame area is 16 square meters, which is the world so far. The largest laser additive is used to make titanium alloy components. The so-called laser additive manufacturing, also known as 3D printing, has previously publicly displayed the 3D printed titanium alloy overall bearing frame of 歼31. The similar structure of the American F22 can also be found online. However, the area is very small, and it is far from 16 square meters. It seems that this exposure of the titanium super large overall bearing frame can only be used on large and medium aircraft.
Ultra-large titanium alloy overall bearing frame exposed by a well-known military forum
Previously exposed 歼31 titanium alloy overall bearing frame
F22 titanium alloy overall bearing frame, completely different from this time
At present, large and medium-sized aircraft that are being produced, developed and improved in China include Yun 20, C919, AG600, Yun 9, H-6 and Boom 20. From the two circular holes in the construction of the exposure, the possibility of the first five items is excluded, because from the size of the two circular holes, it is obviously a structure reserved for the engine to pass through. Large and medium-sized aircraft, with a layout that puts the two engines together so close together? The answer is only 20.
Boom 20 uses 4 engines, two in parallel
According to the rumors of the network, the design of the bomb 20 is similar to B2, while the B2 uses four engines, two of which are connected in parallel. It can be seen from the trapezoidal structure of the overall bearing frame of this exposure that it should be the left fuselage of the H20, and the overall bearing frame of the two engines, and from the size of one person, it should be at the tail of the aircraft. The position, if it is the overall bearing frame in the middle of the fuselage, should be higher and larger, and the structure of the bomb bay is reserved in the lower half.
This picture can be seen more clearly, that is, the structure of the two engines at the left side of the aircraft.
In fact, most of the pictures and news about the bombing 20 on the Internet are fake, and only four are really meaningful. The first is that on September 1, 2016, Air Force Commander Ma Xiaotian accepted an interview with Shenzhen Satellite TV at the Changchun Air Show. He said that "China's long-range strike capability has been greatly improved compared with the past, and there will be greater improvement in the future. We are now developing a new generation of long-range bombers, which you will see in the future."
This is the first time that the official confirmed the existence of our new generation of bombers.

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After a lapse of one year, at the Changchun Air Show in 2017, Air Force Commander Ma Xiaotian responded to the Hong Kong media’s on-site questioning of the domestic long-range bomber at the same location, and he did not tell you. So in the end, there is, or not, leaving endless space for everyone to guess.
I don’t tell you, I’m pretty.
The second is that in May of this year, a three-dimensional publicity video released by Xifei, "The Big Country Takeoff", appeared at the end of the film, a mysterious plane that never appeared. Although it was covered with a layer of canvas, it can still be seen from the outline. It is a plane without a vertical tail and a large wingspan, similar to the US B2 stealth bomber. Although it was finally confirmed that this was only the special effect produced by the video producers in accordance with the similar video production of Lockheed, but as a promotional film launched by Xifei, the special effect picture of the suspected bomb 20 appeared in such an important position at the end of the film, which partly represented Official attitude and meaning.
Although this picture is a special effect, it is meaningful.
The third article, at the end of July, disclosed such a piece of trial information for the first time in the official media of Xi'an Aircraft Industry Corporation. According to the report, a sample of the S-exhaust pipe tail section of a project was successfully delivered to a flying hospital! It is judged that the tail section of the S-bend exhaust pipe is a key component of the H20. It cools the hot air flow discharged from the engine through a complicated internal structure to reduce the infrared signal, which is an important means for the stealth bomber to realize the stealth function. However, this exposure is only accompanied by 3D images on the web, but no real photos.
Developed the bent pipe structure of the bomb 20
It looks like this on the plane.
This one is more clear
I saw the sounds of the previous three times, but I didn’t see the exposure of the people. The fourth exposure showed the real photo of the super-large overall bearing frame of the aircraft titanium alloy made by laser additive. If the judgment of Xiaobian is true, this Undoubtedly, it is an important step from the back of the scene to the front of the stage. With the smooth development of the development of the bomb 20, it is estimated that more and more things will be exposed in the future, and everyone will wait for the exciting moment. (Author's signature: Iron Wing)
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两大“实锤”再次透漏我隐轰进度 最快将于明年首飞

在我国武器装备发展中,“20”这个代号,无疑是给大家带来很多惊喜的吉祥数字;一系列具有突破性、代表性的先进国产武器装备都是以“20”作为编号,比如歼20、直20、运20等等。时至今日,上述型号都已经相继研制成功、列装服役,成为中国军队维护国家利益的“神兵利器”,但在其家族当中还有一个最神秘、最重量级的成员,它的庐山真面目依然不为外界所知晓,这就是大家十分关注的轰20战略轰炸机。

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轰20承载了国人无数美好的想象

从2015年刘玉提老将军在临终时“一定要大力发展轰炸机”的嘱托,到2016年初“我国已完成飞翼式布局、背负式进气道”的八股(第1个实锤),轰20终于开始进入人们的视野。由此人们得知,我国应该在研制一种类似于B-2战略轰炸机的隐身轰炸机。2016年年底,时任中国空军司令的马晓天上将正式披露了我国新一代战略轰炸机正在加紧研制。有了来自官方的重磅实锤(第2个实锤),于是众人纷纷开始了对轰20的各种猜想,五花八门的假想气动方案几乎穷尽了人们对战略轰炸机的所有脑洞设计,声称轰20已经下线或者首飞的小道消息更是满天乱飞。终于,中航的人也忍不住了,也加入了“爆料”的行列。

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2018年年初,中航工业西飞发布了官方宣传片。在节目最后的彩蛋中,披露了一款披着幕布的神秘机型,其外形特征很明显是类似于B2、B21的飞翼型布局,并且配上了令人浮想联翩的“THE NEXT”字样(第3个实锤),顿时引起了无数人的关注。这是再一次从官方证明轰20这个项目的存在,其大概构型,以及可能的进度。所谓“纸里包不住火”,随着时间的推移,随着轰20研制的加快,关于其具体进度的消息终于还是漏了出来,而且一下就是两个重磅实锤!第一个就是刚刚公布的我国超大面积激光增材钛合金构件交付使用的消息。

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用于轰20的超大面积激光增材钛合金构件

一体化成型的钛合金构件是军用飞机机体的主要承力结构,采用激光增材技术进行加工是目前航空制造业的一项前沿技术。在此之前我国已经完成了歼31、歼20、运20的钛合金构件(面积分别大概为5平方米和11平方米)的制造,如今又攻克了超过15平方米的超大面积钛合金构件加工工艺。这样的尺寸,这样的构型,目前来说,其使用者似乎只有一个可能,那就是轰20。该构件的出现,说明轰20应该已经到了试制的阶段(第4个实锤)。

“今天是个好日子”,惊喜不止于此,一则来自中航工业第一飞机设计研究院的官方消息更是进一步佐证了轰20“好事将近”。9月18号,在中航一飞院接待军方领导的调研活动中,曝光了正在测试一款“国之重器”的铁鸟台。

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铁鸟台实验是大型飞机上天之前的最后一道关键环节

所谓的铁鸟台是“飞控液压系统综合试验台架”的简称,通俗来讲就是按照真实飞机的比例结构,将飞控系统、舵舵面系统、襟副翼系统、液压管路等做动设备统统装配在一个铁架子上,模拟飞机在飞行过程中所有飞控液压系统的工作环境,验证其稳定性和可靠性,是航空飞行器特别是大型飞机在进行试飞之前必不可少的实验步骤。同时一飞院是我国研制大型飞机的摇篮,运20大型运输机就是出自于该单位的手笔,在运20已经定型批产的情况下,需要在铁鸟台上实验的“国之重器”当然只有非轰20莫属了(第5个实锤)。

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运20从上铁鸟台到首飞耗时两年

有了这个极其重要的信息,我们就能够大致推测出轰20项目的进展脉络。根据官方的公开报道,运20的首飞时间是在2013年1月,开始进行铁鸟台实验的时间是在2010年年底,中间相隔大约两年左右。结合前面的两条消息,我们可以得知轰20目前正处于铁鸟台实验阶段,同时原型机至少已经开始制造了。也就是说即便铁鸟台实验刚刚才开始不久,按照正常进度,轰20的首飞时间应该不会晚于2020年年底。当然,如果估计得更加乐观一点儿,铁鸟台实验已经进行了相当长的一段时间,那么首飞时间则有可能提前到2019年。

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轰20的庐山真面目即将揭晓




The two "real hammers" once again reveal my progress in stealth. The fastest flight will be the first time next year.


In the development of China's weapons and equipment, the code "20" is undoubtedly a lucky number that brings many surprises to everyone; a series of breakthrough and representative advanced domestic weapons and equipment are numbered with "20", such as 歼20 , straight 20, transport 20 and so on. Up to now, the above models have been successfully developed and installed in service, becoming the "little weapon" of the Chinese military to safeguard national interests, but there is also one of the most mysterious and heavyweight members in its family. Still not known to the outside world, this is the bombing 20 strategic bomber that everyone is very concerned about.


Hun 20 carries the countless beautiful imaginations of the Chinese people. 20 carries the countless beautiful imaginations of the Chinese people.


From the beginning of 2015, Liu Yuti’s generals must "deeply develop bombers" at the end of their lives. By the beginning of 2016, "China has completed the flight-wing layout, the piggyback inlet" of eight stocks (the first real hammer), 20 finally began to enter the people's field of vision. It is thus known that China should develop a stealth bomber similar to the B-2 strategic bomber. At the end of 2016, General Ma Xiaotian, then the commander of the Chinese Air Force, officially disclosed that China's new generation of strategic bombers is intensifying development. With the heavy hammer from the official (the second real hammer), everyone began to speculate on the bomb 20, and the various imaginary aerodynamic schemes almost exhausted all the brain hole design of the strategic bomber. 20 The gossip that has gone offline or the first flight is flying all over the sky. Finally, the people of AVIC could not help but also joined the ranks of “explosive materials”.



At the beginning of 2018, AVIC Xifei released an official promotional film. In the last egg of the show, a mysterious model with a curtain is revealed. Its shape is obviously similar to the flying wing layout of B2 and B21, and it is accompanied by the words "THE NEXT". (The third real hammer), suddenly caused the attention of countless people. This is once again from the official proof of the existence of the project, its approximate configuration, and possible progress. The so-called "paper can not hold fire", with the passage of time, with the acceleration of the development of the bomb 20, the news about its specific progress has finally leaked out, and it is two heavy hammers! The first is the news of the delivery of our super-large area laser-added titanium alloy components.


Ultra-large area laser additive titanium alloy component for bombing 20 for super large area laser additive titanium alloy component of bomber 20


The integrally formed titanium alloy component is the main bearing structure of the military aircraft body. The processing using laser additive technology is a cutting-edge technology in the aviation industry. Prior to this, China has completed the manufacture of titanium alloy components (area of about 5 square meters and 11 square meters respectively) of 歼31, 歼20, and Yun 20, and now it has solved the processing of oversized titanium alloy components exceeding 15 square meters. Process. Such a size, such a configuration, at present, its user seems to have only one possibility, that is, H20. The appearance of this component indicates that the bomb 20 should have reached the stage of trial production (the fourth real hammer).


"Today is a good day", the surprise is not limited to this. The official news from the First Aircraft Design and Research Institute of AVIC is further evidence of the bombing of 20 "good things are near". On September 18th, in the investigation activity of the military leadership of AVIC Yifei, the iron bird platform that was testing a “national heavy weapon” was exposed.


The iron bird test is the last key link before the big plane goes to heaven. The iron bird test is the last key link before the big plane goes to heaven.


The so-called iron bird platform is the abbreviation of "flying control hydraulic system comprehensive test bench". Generally speaking, according to the proportional structure of the real aircraft, the flight control system, the rudder surface system, the aileron system, the hydraulic pipeline, etc. The mobile equipment is assembled on an iron shelf to simulate the working environment of all flight control hydraulic systems during flight, and to verify its stability and reliability. It is an indispensable experimental step for aviation aircraft, especially large aircraft, before conducting flight test. . At the same time, Yifeiyuan is the cradle for the development of large-scale aircraft in China. The 20 large transport aircraft are from the unit's handwriting. In the case that the transport 20 has been finalized and approved, the “national heavy weapon” that needs to be tested on the iron bird platform is of course only Non-Hang 20 is none (the fifth real hammer).


It takes two years to transport 20 from the iron bird to the first flight. It takes two years from the iron bird to the first flight.


With this extremely important information, we can roughly speculate on the progress of the H-20 project. According to official public reports, the first flight time of Yun 20 was in January 2013, and the time for the start of the Iron Bird Taiwan experiment was at the end of 2010, about two years apart. Combined with the previous two news, we can know that the bomb 20 is currently in the experimental stage of the Iron Bird Terrace, and at least the prototype has already been manufactured. That is to say, even if the Iron Bird Taiwan experiment has just begun, according to the normal progress, the first flight time of the H20 should not be later than the end of 2020. Of course, if the estimate is more optimistic, the Ironbird test has been going on for quite some time, then the first flight time may be advanced to 2019.


The true face of the 20th mountain of Hun 20 is about to be unveiled.



In addition, some indirect news can also provide reference. For example, in 2009, the Chinese Air Force publicly disclosed that the 歼20 is being developed. The 歼20 was put into the first flight in 2011 after two years. In the same way, the Chinese Air Force announced at the end of 2016 that the bombing 20 is under research. The time of the first 20 flights will not be too far apart. The arrangement should be a reasonable range around 2019. There are indications that the days of the booming and fluttering of the 20th are already in sight, let us wait for the carnival moment with excitement! (Author's signature: Dawn's military situation, no rain)
 
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