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Petition for WP to give up Pongoll East seat to vincent wijeysingha

ray_of_hope said:
Don't take a vote cast for some parties in a one-to-one fight as being a pro such-and-such party. It was simply an anti-PAP vote.
This however will become clearer in a multi-corner fight. If a multi-corner fight leaves some parties with 2-3% vote what leg will they stand on? What credibility will they have left.

I say bring on the multi-corner fight!
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If it is a multi-cornered fight without SDP and VW would you still go for it? What if it is just SDP, no WP and a straight fight?
 
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Fook Seng said:
If it is a multi-cornered fight without SDP and VW would you still go for it? What if it is just SDP, no WP and a straight fight?
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Brother ROH wants democracy,I want Singapore citizens to enjoy life,let him spendhis whole life fighting for Demo-Cracy,we fuck and send PAP to our friend the Lord of Hell,then enjoy life,must consult brother GD,God bless,amen
 
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ray_of_hope said:
Why not? But notice that NSP and SPP are not keen.
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A multi-cornered fight need not include NSP and SPP. SDP, RP, WP and Desmond can constitute a multi-cornered fight against PAP. I am surprised that a straight fight between WP against PAP is not democratic but one between SDP and PAP is.
 
Fook Seng said:
A multi-cornered fight need not include NSP and SPP. SDP, RP, WP and Desmond can constitute a multi-cornered fight against PAP. I am surprised that a straight fight between WP against PAP is not democratic but one between SDP and PAP is.
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Not sure what you are referring to, Maybe we are speaking at cross-purposes.

My point is simple: any election is considered democratic. (A walkover is, however, not and is undesirable).
However, an election where there is ample choice is even more democratic.
 
I don't think a petition would work. Petition to who? WP? PAP? laugh off my socks
 
ray_of_hope said:
Not sure what you are referring to, Maybe we are speaking at cross-purposes.

My point is simple: any election is considered democratic. (A walkover is, however, not and is undesirable).
However, an election where there is ample choice is even more democratic.
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First time I hear degree of democracy argued in this way. If there are indeed only two parties wanting to stand in the election, will it be less democratic? Isn't democracy giving what the majority of people want and it is to be born by the results? If the end result yields the opposite conclusion, I don't see how it can be argued as democratic. And any multi-cornered fight is likely to yield an opposite result if the majority of the proletariat wants an opposition win. Ask any political party, except the PAP, how many really want a multi-cornered fight?
 
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There are three scenarios.

First is that there is a straight fight between WP and PAP. This is the most likely scenario where the PAP loses a seat. Even now, when there are many opposition parties lining up to take a pop at PE, this could still be likely, because the strategy of the opposition parties would be to work the ground now, and then later, if they give up Punggol East, they can extract a concession from the WP in return.

Second is that there is a multi-party fight. Under this scenario, it is most likely that the PAP will win. But it would be a rare opportunity for everybody to see which opposition party is the strongest, and this will form the backdrop of whatever horse trading goes on before 2016.

Third is the remote possibility that there is a 2 party fight and one of those parties is not WP. This would mean that the WP thinks that it is feasible to allow a third party to gain a seat in parliament, maybe V Wijeysingha. It could be bad for the WP because it means that WP is not the only opposition party in the spotlight, but the upside is that the PAP can get shot at from 2 sides, which may not be bad for the WP.
 
Fook Seng said:
First time I hear degree of democracy argued in this way. If there are indeed only two parties wanting to stand in the election, will it be less democratic? Isn't democracy giving what the majority of people want and it is to be born by the results? If the end result yields the opposite conclusion, I don't see how it can be argued as democratic. And any multi-cornered fight is likely to yield an opposite result if the majority of the proletariat wants an opposition win. Ask any political party, except the PAP, how many really want a multi-cornered fight?
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The best method is to have a second run-off between 2 top candidates. This happens in presidential elections where there is only one candidate, but rarely done at provincial levels because it is too tedious.
 
Fook Seng said:
First time I hear degree of democracy argued in this way. If there are indeed only two parties wanting to stand in the election, will it be less democratic? Isn't democracy giving what the majority of people want and it is to be born by the results? If the end result yields the opposite conclusion, I don't see how it can be argued as democratic. And any multi-cornered fight is likely to yield an opposite result if the majority of the proletariat wants an opposition win. Ask any political party, except the PAP, how many really want a multi-cornered fight?
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My friend... A Ray of Hope has got it right... the rules of democracy were written in Rivendell 6500 years ago and i confirm that is the spirit of democracy. Everyone can join in a fight... winner takes it all... loser leave your balls... your argument is so lame you might lose your ability to walk
 
Your lordship says WP step aside, let SDP fight PAP alone.
Despite the fact they have never won a seat in the history of Singapore politics, SDP supporters believe their brand of opposition politics is what "people" wanted. Let people speak to them through the results... WP can afford to forgo this one... your lordship sees through his crystal-balls SDP supporters will be silenced forever after PE by-election... many Goh Meng Sengs will be born
 
come on, opposition parties all join in, PAP may win BE with only 25 % majority......
 
LordElrond said:
our lordship says WP step aside, let SDP fight PAP alone.
Despite the fact they have never won a seat in the history of Singapore politics, SDP supporters believe their brand of opposition politics is what "people" wanted. Let people speak to them through the results... WP can afford to forgo this one... your lordship sees through his crystal-balls SDP supporters will be silenced forever after PE by-election... many Goh Meng Sengs will be born
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haha. Good one!

SDP is indeed powderful. A day after it does its walkabout PAP orders and stores plywood.
Imagine what PAP will do once SDP names its candidate. :D
 
steffychun said:
Yes let's have a gay supporter in parliament. Happy!
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Vincent looks like a good guy although he is gay, let's not focus on his gayness. I am all for SDP winning a seat in Parliment. If this becomes a turning point for SDP to RISE UP... i am happy for them... it is good for Singapore politics as a whole. Many might not agree but i would like to see WP step aside and give SDP a real chance to win this one. With both parties in PAP will SURE win. It will be a wise move to appease the many disgruntled SDP supporters who swear by their mothers' grave SDP can do a better job than WP.
 
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ray_of_hope said:
My point is simple: any election is considered democratic. (A walkover is, however, not and is undesirable).
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Disagree.

If it's a small peanut vs a monopoly with absolute control over the election process and just about everything else to influence the voters, it is not democratic.
 
LordElrond said:
..... to appease the many disgruntled SDP supporters who swear by their mothers' grave SDP can do a better job than WP.
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If such supporters are genuine, they should advise SDP/CSJ/VW to start doing some real ground work instead of sitting behind a computer and continue to be The Invincible ONLINE Party.
 
SgParent said:
Disagree.

If it's a small peanut vs a monopoly with absolute control over the election process and just about everything else to influence the voters, it is not democratic.
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If candidates/parties did not think they had more than a decent chance would they even participate?
Being democratic does not mean there is complete fairness all round. That is a separate issue. In the US, more than 90% of the mainstream media backed Obama.
It was still a democratic election even if Republicans thought they were short-changed by the MSM and by many other factors.
 
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