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Perhaps Ivermectin actually works!

Leongsam

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Yes.

But it still has to be "accepted off label use".

In other words no difference lah.

You cant like go crazy and start taking medications and say use them for this and that condition with no approval from the senior drs.

It has to be approved off label use! Which is an oxymoron!

Me: Doc can I have a 30 day prescription for XXXXX I need it for my migraines.

Doc: I'm afraid I can't prescribe this for migraines it isn't approved for that ailment it's for YYYY.

Me: Yes I'm suffering from that too.

Doc: OK then here's your prescription.
 

porcaputtana

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taking it off label yourself is one thing

promoting it on a public forum is another

even if it’s a forum for retards

it’s downright unconscionable and irresponsible lo
 

syed putra

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Perhaps you should migrate to India. You may be much happier there. :smile:
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eatshitndie

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So actually the use of all those stuff like hydroxychloroquine, doxycycline and ivermectin was also recommended by the India Health Authority.

Same thing. Top down approach. Whoever at the top decides it all. Foot soldier doctors just follow orders.
ditch liao after finding out they don’t work.
 

Hypocrite-The

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ditch liao after finding out they don’t work.
The issue is there have been never proper tests conducted on the effectiveness of the cheaper drugs. This is due to the powers that be wanting profits from expensive meds. Cheap drugs where the patent runs out.. how to earn?
 

eatshitndie

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The issue is there have been never proper tests conducted on the effectiveness of the cheaper drugs. This is due to the powers that be wanting profits from expensive meds. Cheap drugs where the patent runs out.. how to earn?
when it cums to cheap, ah nehs will use it first. and if it works they will continue using it. the most important resource from lessons learned in the south asian spike is oxygen. body (and its immune system) is the best defender but it must be kept alive for body defense to work.
 

Leongsam

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Natural immunity to covid is powerful. Policymakers seem afraid to say so.​

People making decisions about their health deserve honesty from their leaders.​

President Biden visits the Viral Pathogenesis Laboratory at the National Institutes of Health in February, with Anthony S. Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, and NIH director Francis Collins listening. (Evan Vucci/AP)
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By Marty Makary
Marty Makary is a professor at the Johns Hopkins School of Medicine and Bloomberg School of Public Health, editor-in-chief of Medpage Today, and author of “The Price We Pay: What Broke American Health Care — and How to Fix It."
September 14, 2021 at 3:45 p.m. EDT


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A previous version of this article erroneously said Spectrum Health is in Detroit. It is in Grand Rapids, Mich. The article has been corrected.
It’s okay to have an incorrect scientific hypothesis. But when new data proves it wrong, you have to adapt. Unfortunately, many elected leaders and public health officials have held on far too long to the hypothesis that natural immunity offers unreliable protection against covid-19 — a contention that is being rapidly debunked by science.
More than 15 studies have demonstrated the power of immunity acquired by previously having the virus. A 700,000-person study from Israel two weeks ago found that those who had experienced prior infections were 27 times less likely to get a second symptomatic covid infection than those who were vaccinated. This affirmed a June Cleveland Clinic study of health-care workers (who are often exposed to the virus), in which none who had previously tested positive for the coronavirus got reinfected. The study authors concluded that “individuals who have had SARS-CoV-2 infection are unlikely to benefit from covid-19 vaccination.” And in May, a Washington University study found that even a mild covid infection resulted in long-lasting immunity.
Coronavirus vaccines work. But this statistical illusion makes people think they don’t.
So, the emerging science suggests that natural immunity is as good as or better than vaccine-induced immunity. That’s why it’s so frustrating that the Biden administration has repeatedly argued that immunity conferred by vaccines is preferable to immunity caused by natural infection, as NIH director Francis Collins told Fox News host told Bret Baier a few weeks ago. That rigid adherence to an outdated theory is also reflected in President Biden’s recent announcement that large companies must require their employees to get vaccinated or submit to regular testing, regardless of whether they previously had the virus.
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Downplaying the power of natural immunity has had deadly consequences. In January, February and March, we wasted scarce vaccine doses on millions of people who previously had covid. If we had asked Americans who were already protected by natural immunity to step aside in the vaccine line, tens of thousands of lives could have been saved. This is not just in hindsight is 20/20; many of us were vehemently arguing and writing at the time for such a rationing strategy.
One reason public health officials may be afraid to acknowledge the effectiveness of natural immunity is that they fear it will lead some to choose getting the infection over vaccination. That’s a legitimate concern. But we can encourage all Americans to get vaccinated while still being honest about the data. In my clinical experience, I have found patients to be extremely forgiving with evolving data if you are honest and transparent with them. Yet, when asked the common question, “I’ve recovered from covid, is it absolutely essential that I get vaccinated?” many public health officials have put aside the data and responded with a synchronized “yes,” even as studies have shown that reinfections are rare and often asymptomatic or mild when they do occur.
The tide may finally be shifting, as pressure has grown on federal officials. Last week on CNN, Anthony S. Fauci, the nation’s top infectious-disease specialist, hinted that the government may be rethinking its stance on natural immunity, saying, “I think that is something that we need to sit down and discuss seriously.” Some large medical centers, like Spectrum Health in Grand Rapids, Mich., have already announced they will recognize natural immunity for their vaccine requirements. Some Republican governors have picked up on public frustration over how the scientific guidance is inconsistent with the data, with Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis accusing the Biden administration of “not following science” by crafting its vaccine mandate without taking into consideration “infection-conferred immunity.”
Booster shots won’t stop the delta variant. Here’s the math to prove it.
The current Centers for Disease Control and Prevention position about vaccinating children also dismisses the benefits of natural immunity. The Los Angeles County School District recently mandated vaccines for students ages 12 and up who want to learn in person. But young people are less likely to suffer severe or long-lasting symptoms from covid-19 than adults, and have experienced rare heart complications from the vaccines. In Israel, heart inflammation has been observed in between 1 in 3,000 and 1 in 6,000 males age 16 to 24; the CDC has confirmed 854 reports nationally in people age 30 and younger who got the vaccine.
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A second dose of the two-shot mRNA vaccine like that produced by Pfizer and Moderna may not even be necessary in children who had covid. Since February, Israel’s Health Ministry has been recommending that anyone, adult or adolescent, who has recovered from covid-19 receive a only single mRNA vaccine dose, instead of two. Even though the risk of severe illness during a reinfection is exceedingly low, some data has demonstrated a slight benefit to one dose in this situation. Other countries use a similar approach. The United States could adopt this strategy now as a reasonable next step in transitioning from an overly rigid to a more flexible vaccine requirement policy. For comparison, the CDC has long recommended that kids do not get the chickenpox vaccine if they had chickenpox infection in the past.
The incorrect hypothesis that natural immunity is unreliable has resulted in the loss of thousands of American lives, avoidable vaccine complications, and damaged the credibility of public health officials. Given the recent mandate announcement by the White House, it would be good for our public health leaders to show humility by acknowledging that the hypothesis they repeatedly trumpeted was not only wrong, but it may be harmful. Let’s all come together around the mounting body of scientific literature and real-world clinical experience that is telling us not to require the full vaccine regimen in people who recovered from covid in the past. Public health officials changing their position on natural immunity, after so much hostility toward the idea, would go a long way in rebuilding the public trust.
 

nayr69sg

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What about Hydroxychloroquine?

What doctor-patient relationship?

Firstly it is patient-doctor relationship. Patient first.

Second patient is boss. Big kahuna. Master. Dr is slave. Minion. Underling.

There is no relationship

It is patient doctor hierarchy.
 

nayr69sg

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The issue is there have been never proper tests conducted on the effectiveness of the cheaper drugs. This is due to the powers that be wanting profits from expensive meds. Cheap drugs where the patent runs out.. how to earn?
Uhmm can someone go tell them that it is not about money.

Pfizer and all these pharma should produce drugs for free!

Medicine is for all. Altruism. New drugs also free.

Ban any entity wanting to profit from medical field.

Revolt
 

porcaputtana

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If something works it should be shared for the benefit of others.
Oh please la don‘t make my testicles laugh.

you and I both know your sole purpose of posting this kind of fake news is to hope someone listens and gets hurt

then u will slap your thighs with glee because someone was stupid enough to listen to you

if you really have the conviction that ivermectin helps save lives then march to your prime minister‘s office and demand it be allowed for emergency use .

start a class action , keep fighting . Never give up. Even if it means going to jail like Gandhi .

Instead your courage is limited to baiting people here like the coward that you are
 
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