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PAP's New Strategy - will it work?

scroobal

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Back from the latest gossip with the usual Sunday suspects at the prata joint.

You have heard about PAP MP's Foo Mee Har and Baey Yam Keng suddenly becoming charitable about serving the peasants on a near full time basis. So what is going on?

Well it is not exactly a new strategy but an expansion of an old strategy that was first used after Barisan walked. For convenience I am going to call it the "Ang Hin Kee" strategy who is the PAP MP for the Prime Minister's GRC at Ang Mo Kio and new.

The "Ang Hin Kee" strategy first came into being in the late 60s and 70s where basically potential and existing PAP MPs were given jobs to in PAP controlled or influenced entities to raise their income level but more importantly to motivate them to serve their constituencies on a near full time basis. The usual suspects are NTUC, NUS, later SPH especially the Research Unit and GLCs. This new MP is a classic example. All you have to do is look at his CV and if this guy has a career of any sense of the word, call me Charlie.

In the late 80s, these job schemes fell out of favour except for a few who really could not get any decent employment such as Irene Ng, Seng Han Tong etc. At that time, the focus switched to technocrats, scholars and the children of former MPs who due to links and connections have scaled the social ladder. Unfortunately these people have become detached from the heartland. Their kids are also in the different zone. The bad showing in 2011 has also made it clear that being connected to the ground is important as WP has demonstrated.

So the emergence of the "Ang Hin Kee" strategy which I am told will help recover the lost ground. MPs are being asked to consider more full time engagement with ground. It appeals to those whose career have plateaued or not going anywhere. Their employers are either friends of the PAP or are connected to the PAP and give token roles roles but the income is likely to come from appointments to Govt roles and board appointments in GLCs and friendly companies.

Note Baey is covering Tampines which is on shaky ground. Now West Coast GRC where Foo Mee Har is is considered PAP territory to the core having had walk-overs in the past and with poor showing by RP and KJ in the last GE. Does the Govt know something about West Coast. Have their listening posts picked up signals of a new opposition party perhaps with credible professionals. As this is Tan Cheng Bock's hunting ground after Ayer Rajah was dismantled as an SMc, is the man behind something. Remember when he was MP for Ayer Rajah, his winning margin was impressive . Did he retire recently to do something more full time.

Interesting times.

ps. Look at PAP MP Low Yen Ling's occupation in her CV. Imagine collects MP pay yet can put down that description as an occupation. If anyone gave that kind of description in their CV and applied for a job, it will certainly go in the bin. No manners.
 
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TracyTan866

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Good analysis.

The pap is desperate and will try many new strategies. But as long as LHL and his cronies dont listen to people and know the people's cries..the new strategies can only buy him some time.
 

aurvandil

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In the old days, this worked well because PAP MPs were salt of the earth types who could connect with the ground. It is hard to imagine this working with the current lot. The most beautiful twist is that these MPs will be cooking the numbers to decieve the elders that they are having a huge impact in holding the ground. PAP deceiving the PAP ... How much sweeter can it get ...
 

saratogas

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Full time MP or not many are working in NTUC... Which is usless union, job description is so blurred that can switch anytime by changing their T-shirt!
 

kingrant

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Eye-opener for me, tks Scroobal. In those days, the MP's allowance was indeed peanuts and there was real sacrifice, so it made sense to augment their take home incomes. But nowadays, $15000 is not peanuts, and for many of these MPs, it is a skyfall, so can rely on it as main income. After all, an MP has many perks - free HDB carparking, and other unknowable fringes.

Asking them to give up their day job is an admission that these buggers have been concentrating too much on their day jobs and becoming too involved with their businesses, so they tend to become pro-business advocates. Not surprising just before the SMRT bus strike hoohah, many of these fuckers like Yeo Guat Kwang are responsible for bringing in so many FTs, having to speak up for business's interests. Now he's singing a different tune.
 
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watchman8

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not reading too much into this as yearend is usually the time to cull deadwood, and it certainly looks like BYK and FMH are deadwood in their respective firms.

BYK may still have longer term potential in PAP, mainly as auntie killer.

FMH probably not. Aging fast, not so attractive to both men or women. Lacks the X factor in people skills. Will not be surprise that she will disappear by 2016, in name of PAP self renewal.

PAP screwed themselves by agressive "self renewal" where more vocal and independent voices are culled consistently. Tan Cheng Bock and Tan Soo Koon come to mind. In fact they have systematically culled the older (and hence less conforming and less controllable?) MPs. For each election, more than 25% of MPs are culled, and in 3 election cycles spanning 12 years, more than 50% of MPs are gone!! How to build up any semblance of residents' confidence and affinity in their MPs?

Old man got too cocksure of his GRC scheme and ministers appeal.
 

mojito

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PAP screwed themselves by agressive "self renewal" where more vocal and independent voices are culled consistently. For each election, more than 25% of MPs are culled, and in 3 election cycles spanning 12 years, more than 50% of MPs are gone!! How to build up any semblance of residents' confidence and affinity in their MPs?

New emperor, new eunuchs.
 
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hurley

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with citizens who are less forgiving, they jolly well have to pull up their socks and buck up instead of pulling stunts.

PAP screwed themselves by agressive "self renewal" where more vocal and independent voices are culled consistently. Tan Cheng Bock and Tan Soo Koon come to mind. In fact they have systematically culled the older (and hence less conforming and less controllable?) MPs. For each election, more than 25% of MPs are culled, and in 3 election cycles spanning 12 years, more than 50% of MPs are gone!! How to build up any semblance of residents' confidence and affinity in their MPs?
 

IamTiong

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Back from the latest gossip with the usual Sunday suspects at the prata joint.

You have heard about PAP MP's Foo Mee Har and Baey Yam Keng suddenly becoming charitable about serving the peasants on a near full time basis. So what is going on?

Well it is not exactly a new strategy but an expansion of an old strategy that was first used after Barisan walked. For convenience I am going to call it the "Ang Hin Kee" strategy who is the PAP MP for the Prime Minister's GRC at Ang Mo Kio and new.

The "Ang Hin Kee" strategy first came into being in the late 60s and 70s where basically potential and existing PAP MPs were given jobs to in PAP controlled or influenced entities to raise their income level but more importantly to motivate them to serve their constituencies on a near full time basis. The usual suspects are NTUC, NUS, later SPH especially the Research Unit and GLCs. This new MP is a classic example. All you have to do is look at his CV and if this guy has a career of any sense of the word, call me Charlie.

In the late 80s, these job schemes fell out of favour except for a few who really could not get any decent employment such as Irene Ng, Seng Han Tong etc. At that time, the focus switched to technocrats, scholars and the children of former MPs who due to links and connections have scaled the social ladder. Unfortunately these people have become detached from the heartland. Their kids are also in the different zone. The bad showing in 2011 has also made it clear that being connected to the ground is important as WP has demonstrated.

So the emergence of the "Ang Hin Kee" strategy which I am told will help recover the lost ground. MPs are being asked to consider more full time engagement with ground. It appeals to those whose career have plateaued or not going anywhere. Their employers are either friends of the PAP or are connected to the PAP and give token roles roles but the income is likely to come from appointments to Govt roles and board appointments in GLCs and friendly companies.

Note Baey is covering Tampines which is on shaky ground. Now West Coast GRC where Foo Mee Har is is considered PAP territory to the core having had walk-overs in the past and with poor showing by RP and KJ in the last GE. Does the Govt know something about West Coast. Have their listening posts picked up signals of a new opposition party perhaps with credible professionals. As this is Tan Cheng Bock's hunting ground after Ayer Rajah was dismantled as an SMc, is the man behind something. Remember when he was MP for Ayer Rajah, his winning margin was impressive . Did he retire recently to do something more full time.

Interesting times.

ps. Look at PAP MP Low Yen Ling's occupation in her CV. Imagine collects MP pay yet can put down that description as an occupation. If anyone gave that kind of description in their CV and applied for a job, it will certainly go in the bin. No manners.

This reads more like your sunday afternoon day-dreaming. Little or no real substance.
 

watchman8

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New emperor, new eunuchs.
Which is the fundamental problem for PAP. Popular MPs who hold an independent streak are seen as threat rather then assets. Old man demands total obedience and conformance. He certainly got what he wanted: a bunch of eunuchs. Occasionally a couple of eunuchs dare to step out of line a little, they are quickly sent for chemical castration followed by early retirement.
 

Thick Face Black Heart

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So the emergence of the "Ang Hin Kee" strategy which I am told will help recover the lost ground. MPs are being asked to consider more full time engagement with ground. It appeals to those whose career have plateaued or not going anywhere. Their employers are either friends of the PAP or are connected to the PAP and give token roles roles but the income is likely to come from appointments to Govt roles and board appointments in GLCs and friendly companies.


Yeah.

Its an old one strategy but returning with a certain fervour. Clearly the PAP understands its new ministers and MPs, even its new grassroots leaders, have lost touch with the ground.

The snag is that the dark image of the PAP will forever be hanging in the background. If policies don't change, grassroots work can only go far. Ultimately the opposition can still ride on the wave of rising resentment to make further inroads into Parliament.

For once in history, it is the PAP fighting a rear-guard action rather than the opposition or the common folk. That's nice to contemplate.
 

Thick Face Black Heart

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In the old days, this worked well because PAP MPs were salt of the earth types who could connect with the ground. It is hard to imagine this working with the current lot. The most beautiful twist is that these MPs will be cooking the numbers to decieve the elders that they are having a huge impact in holding the ground. PAP deceiving the PAP ... How much sweeter can it get ...


The grassroots leaders will cook numbers to trick the MP. The MP will add a fresh coat of paint and gloss to further deceive the PAP inner machinery. What a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive. Ultimately, yes, the PAP will be slow to react because they're not getting accurate feedback fast, and yes, again that's where the opposition will be far more adaptable and responsive and be one up against the PAP.

Hooyah bro.
 

wikiphile

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The grassroots leaders will cook numbers to trick the MP. The MP will add a fresh coat of paint and gloss to further deceive the PAP inner machinery. What a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive. Ultimately, yes, the PAP will be slow to react because they're not getting accurate feedback fast, and yes, again that's where the opposition will be far more adaptable and responsive and be one up against the PAP.

Hooyah bro.

I like this scenario, matter of fact i believe this is the correct and current scenario. Many moons ago i mentioned that the PAP is no longer an adaptive and progressive bloc but has turned into a reactionary one. The 'Top-down' system was implemented even many moons earlier when the populace was hungrier, poorer and less educated. This might had been done to address the exigencies of an newly independent Singapore with an uncertain future back in the 60s/70s.

Today this approach is irrelevant with a generation of better educated populace (and social media) but yet this confucian (and stagnant) system has been conveniently locked down over the years. The Top looks down from their Ivory towers while the bottom continues to paint the same view. Nobody wants to be a harbinger of impending doom and bad tidings lest they have a wish to be sent to Siberia :biggrin:
 

kingrant

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the way to go is not for all these wayangs. The real way is for Ministers-in-waiting to be exposed to longer grassroots work with minimum of aides, cut down the vertical levels and have a flatter organisation from MP to grassroots level. Next, go back to single ward system and abolish the GRCs, and let these potential leaders run one-to-one with Opp parties, not on the coat-tails of GRCs. After all, thru my experience in a GRC constituency, most of the MPs are jiak liao bees, tai-jiing to their HDB branch offices or town council people. So what do MPs really do? They are just overpaid email writers.
 

metalmickey

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What is going on in the PAP is half of the story over here. If we want to celebrate the decline of the PAP, I have no real objections.

The question is: what have we got now? We have opposition parties, which are a mishmash of well-meaning but inexperienced people, do-gooders, and - let's be frank - total clowns. Question is - is our plan B going to be as great as our plan A? What happens when it is time for the opposition party members to take over more of parliament? Is there going to be any real positive change in the system? Or will things merely stay the same, or even worse, go down the tubes?

What you have said either reflects the decline in the quality of PAP MPs, or it means that this has always been the case, that PAP MPs were merely very bochap all along.

If the quality of PAP MPs is going down, then can getting better opposition MPs in parliament make a positive difference to Singapore? Are their ideas substantial, and making a positive impact, or are they just guard dogs to scare the PAP into thinking twice before continuing to bilk the system as before?

If the quality of PAP MPs has always stayed the same, then wouldn't it be right to say that in reality, most of the PAP MPs have been ineffectual anyway, and parliament has always been a relatively toothless institution, and all the work of the Singapore government is done by the civil service - wouldn't that mean that even if the opposition takes over parliament, they would struggle to control the civil service?

Anyway - just voicing out my thoughts. Like I said, the waning of the PAP is only one half of the situation. The opposition parties have to rise to the fore, and it is not enough that they are vastly improved from 20 years back, from now on, they have to aspire to match the same standards that we've come to expect from the PAP and take over.

Because a lot of what's going on in the PAP reflects the lack of interest in public service, not only from the PAP, but everywhere, including the opposition party. I think it is not only the case that the PAP finds it hard to attract talent, the same is true of the opposition. We could be looking at a national crisis.
 

SgParent

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What is going on in the PAP is half of the story over here. If we want to celebrate the decline of the PAP, I have no real objections.

Are you serious?

As long as we do our part to deny the monopoly, healthy competition that always, always benefits the consumers will take care of the rest.
 

SgParent

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What is going on in the PAP is half of the story over here. If we want to celebrate the decline of the PAP, I have no real objections...

Are you serious?

As long as we do our part to deny the monopoly, healthy competition that always, always benefits the consumers will take care of the rest.
 

watchman8

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Because a lot of what's going on in the PAP reflects the lack of interest in public service, not only from the PAP, but everywhere, including the opposition party. I think it is not only the case that the PAP finds it hard to attract talent, the same is true of the opposition. We could be looking at a national crisis.
You are probably caught in the bs from old man. A good politician need not be a top scholar. What the good politician needs is a heart for the citizens and some understanding policies and how it affects people. People skills are important, and ability to explain complex issues to the populace in simple terms. These are the really talents that a good politicians need, not their day job title or number of A level distinctions. I consider LTK to be a good politician.

Crafting of policies are best left to career civil servants. The politician role is to direct and moderate these policies according to how the politician gauges the ground will be impacted by the proposed policies. Most sinkies are still judging politicians through the perverted perspective by the old man. Note the fawning over CSM even before he was elected. Even the opposition supporters has yet to realize this fallacy.
 

ThePlen

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it's not enough to be just the peoples' person. a "good" politician would still need solid backing. and the background of those backings are never squeaky clean.

also, good is relative

You are probably caught in the bs from old man. A good politician need not be a top scholar. What the good politician needs is a heart for the citizens and some understanding policies and how it affects people. People skills are important, and ability to explain complex issues to the populace in simple terms. These are the really talents that a good politicians need, not their day job title or number of A level distinctions. I consider LTK to be a good politician.

Crafting of policies are best left to career civil servants. The politician role is to direct and moderate these policies according to how the politician gauges the ground will be impacted by the proposed policies. Most sinkies are still judging politicians through the perverted perspective by the old man. Note the fawning over CSM even before he was elected. Even the opposition supporters has yet to realize this fallacy.
 
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