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The Navy Could Need More Than 15 Years and Over $1.5B To Scrap USS Enterprise
No one has ever done this before and the service is struggling to figure out how best to get rid of its first nuclear-powered supercarrier.
By Joseph TrevithickAugust 2, 2018
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A new report from the Government Accountability Office, or GAO, says that it could cost the Navy more than $1.5 billion to fully dispose of the retired ex-USS Enterprise, a complete process that could take more than 15 years to finish. The watchdog says the service should get at least one independent review of those projected costs and begin keeping studious records, not only to make sure it’s getting the best deal, but to also learn as much as possible from this unprecedented ship breaking effort for when it retires its Nimitz class supercarriers.
The Navy officially decommissioned Enterprise, also known by its hull number CVN-65, in February 2017, after more than five decades of service. The ship had already effectively been in mothballs since 2012 and Newport News Shipbuilding completed a lengthy “inactivation” process, which included removing nuclear fuel, mission systems, and other items from the ship, in April 2018.


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“At approximately 76,000 tons, CVN-65 will require an unprecedented level of work to dismantle and dispose of as compared to previous ships,” GAO’s review, which the congressional office published publicly on Aug. 2, 2018, said. “Regardless of the approach the Navy chooses, CVN-65 will set precedents for the processes, costs, and oversight that may be used to dismantle and dispose of nuclear-powered aircraft carriers in the future, such as the Nimitz-class carriers which the Navy will begin to retire in the mid-2020s.”

The only ship of her class, Enterprise was also the first ever nuclear-powered aircraft carrier to enter service anywhere in the world. The Navy expects to send the USS Nimitz, the first ship in the class that came after CVN 65, into retirement in 2023, after sometime after the future Ford-class flattop USS John F. Kennedy enters service. There is already considerable debate over this plan, though, and Congress may block the retirement in order to maintain a 12-carrier fleet.
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Tugs move the USS Enterprise into Newport News Shipbuilding's yards in 2013.
How to dispose of the “Big E,” as she was nicknamed, has already been a complicated and arduous affair. The Navy originally projected that it would cost somewhere between $500 and $750 million to scrap it, but by 2013, this figure had grown to over $1 billion. The difficulties have forced the service to push back the start of the process more than once already and the ship’s hulk is presently sitting in Hampton Roads, Virginia.
The Navy is now considering two potential options, according to GAO. The first of these is doing the work at a naval shipyard with the help of contractors, while the second would see the service turn the ship over to a private company to break down at their own facility.
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A basic breakdown of the Navy's two options for what to do with the ex-Enterprise.
Historically, the Navy has done this work at the Puget Sound Naval Shipyard and Intermediate Maintenance Facility in Bremerton, Washington. When it comes to breaking down nuclear-powered vessels, this facility has the added benefit of being relatively close to the Department of Energy’s Hanford low-level radioactive waste disposal site, which is also in Washington State. This is where the Navy would send the eight de-fueled nuclear reactors and related components from the ex-Enterprise.
GAO acknowledged in its review that the Navy had a better sense of the costs and time required to proceed with this plan based on its existing experience. Unfortunately, there are serious concerns that using one of the service’s own overworked shipyards to scrap the supercarrier would only add to an increasingly troubling maintenance backlog for active ships and submarines.
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An infographic showing how the Navy typically moves decommissioned nuclear reactors from the Puget Sound Naval Shipyard to Hanford.
In September 2017, the watchdog released a separate review highlighting the poor and decaying state of the Navy’s shipyards. The next month is published yet another report specifically on delays in maintenance availabilities for Los Angeles- and Virginia-class attack submarines. At the time of writing, the Los Angeles-class boat USS Boise is still just sitting idle pier side after more than 30 months of inactivity.
The Navy only expects the repairs on Boise to begin in 2019. On Aug. 2, 2018, the service put out a request for information to try and identify commercial shipyards that it could certify for government work or ones that already have that certification, but are not working at full capacity, in order to try and make up for some of these shortfalls.

The fear is these shipyard capacity issues could also lead to greater costs if the process drags out. The Navy says the Puget Sound option could cost anywhere from $1.05 to $1.55 billion, take 10 years to complete, and wouldn’t even start until 2034.
The other option, then, is to have a contractor, such as Newport News, do the job at one of their facilities. This could shorten the time it takes to break down the former Enterprise to only five years and get the work going in 2024.
The issue here is that no government or private shipyard has ever done anything like this on this scale. It could quickly become expensive as contractors begin ripping things apart and find out that their expectations don’t line up with what they’ve discovered waiting for them – something that’s happened before with much smaller, less complicated systems, such as fighter jets.
The unique nature of Enterprise's design could make things even more complex. More than two decades after the Navy struck it from the rolls, the bulk of the hull, including the reactor compartments, of the ex-USS Long Beach, another one-off design and the first-ever nuclear-powered cruiser in the world, is still sitting in long-term storage at the Washington State base.
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A graphic showing how the Navy would plan to break down the ex-Enterprise if it did the work at Puget Sound.
And though the Navy has moved reactors and other irradiated materials from Puget Sound to Hanford in the past, the sheer volume of materials associated with eight individual reactor plants will make this effort more akin to decommissioning a nuclear power plant. For a commercial contractor, getting legal and regulatory approval to dismantle the reactors, in particular, could be complicated and limit the available sites where the work could occur.
The Navy and the independent Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) already disagree on what standards should apply to the commercial option. The Navy says that if a commercial company does the work, NRC’s should view it through the lens of commercial nuclear regulations. The NRC says that dismantling a naval nuclear reactor is akin to disposing of a nuclear weapon from a regulatory standpoint and that the Navy needs to be responsible for the process and disposing of the waste at a site such as Hanford.
Furthermore, NRC only has direct authority over such matters in thirteen states, not including Virginia, where the ex-Enterprise is now. State authorities have entered into agreements with the commission in all other instances to take responsibility for nuclear waste and other related matters and might not be willing to take on the task of overseeing the disposal of eight military-grade reactors. And not mentioned at all is the highly classified nature of U.S. naval nuclear reactor design, the details of which any company would have to guard very closely throughout the process regardless.
So, while there might be an understanding of the general approach a commercial company would take to break up the ex-Enterprise, there’s no real understanding of what the process might entail, especially with regards to the nuclear components. For example, GAO said in its report that the Navy, for unknown reasons, estimated that it would cost less to dispose of each of the ship’s nuclear reactors than it typically does to get rid of commercial reactors of a similar size. With so many unknowns, the estimated final cost for the commercial option is a wide range that sits anywhere from $750 million to $1.4 billion.
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The USS Enterprise in dry dock at Newport News' yard in 2016 during the inactivation process.
“As the Navy considers how to proceed, it will be critical to ensure that there is sufficient oversight and accountability for what likely will be an effort greater than $1 billion that lasts the better part of a decade,” GAO’s reviews wrote in their conclusion. “Without establishing a cost and schedule baseline that has been validated by an independent cost estimate or assessment, it will be difficult for decision makers to track cost and schedule performance or have confidence in CVN 65 costs.”
As such, the watchdog recommended that the Navy have the Pentagon’s Office of Cost Analysis and Program Evaluation or the Naval Center for Cost Analysis draw up independent cost analyses of the two potential courses of action. They also said the service should keep and supply details accounting of the projected costs and the money it spends on the project, which it is not presently required to do for disposal programs.
In addition, GAO said that the Secretary of Defense needs to demand that the Navy craft a risk management plan no matter what course of action it takes and goes through a formal process to establish a baseline cost and schedule for the entire effort. Without this it would be difficult, if not impossible, to truly evaluate how things go, which could hamper the service’s ability to avoid the same mistakes in the future. The Department of Defense told the congressional office that it agreed with all of these suggestions.
It's also worth noting that how the disposal of Enterprise shakes out could have an impact on how the U.S. government views the costs associated with nuclear-powered aircraft carriers and could impact the growing debate about whether it makes sense to invest in smaller, conventionally-powered types. Since taxpayers will be responsible for the bill, a more accurate estimated lifecycle cost of a nuclear supercarrier should include this $1 billion or more to dispose of it at the end of the day.
As it stands now, the Navy hopes to have arrived at a final decision on what to do with the remnants of the Enterprise by 2023. We might not have to wait long to start seeing hints of which course of action the service truly prefers.
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The U.S. Navy Is Having a Hell of a Time Dismantling the USS Enterprise

Nobody has ever disposed of a nuclear-powered aircraft carrier before. Turns out it's not easy.









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Six years after decommissioning USS Enterprise, the world's first nuclear-powered aircraft carrier, the U.S. Navy is still figuring out how to safely dismantle the ship. The General Accounting Office estimates the cost of taking apart the vessel and sending the reactors to a nuclear waste storage facility at up to $1.5 billion, or about one-eighth the cost of a brand-new aircraft carrier.
The USS Enterprise was commissioned in 1961 to be the centerpiece of a nuclear-powered carrier task force, Task Force One, that could sail around the world without refueling. The fleet was a symbol of the Navy’s global reach and its nuclear future. During its 51 years in operation, the Enterprise served in the Cuban Missile Crisis blockade, the Vietnam War, and the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.
The Navy decommissioned Enterprise in 2012 (don’t worry, the third carrier of the new Gerald R. Ford class will be named Enterprise, so the name will live on) and removed the fuel from the eight Westinghouse A2W nuclear reactors in 2013. The plan was to scrap the ship and remove the reactors, transporting them by barge from Puget Sound Naval Base down the Washington Coast and up the Columbia River, then trucking them to the Department of Energy’s Hanford Site for permanent storage.
However, after decommissioning the cost of disposing of the 93,000-ton ship soared from an estimated $500-$750 million to more than a billion dollars. This caused the Navy to put a pause on disposal while it sought out cheaper options. Today the stripped-down hull of the Enterprise sits in Newport News, Virginia awaiting its fate.


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USS Enteprise as part of Task Force One, 1964.
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Now, according to a new General Accounting Office report (PDF), the Navy has two options. The first is to have the Navy manage the job but let the commercial industry do the non-nuclear work. The Navy would allow industry to scrap the non-nuclear parts of the ship but preserve a 27,000-ton propulsion space containing the reactors. The propulsion space would then be transported to Puget Sound Naval Base, where the reactors would be removed and sent to Hanford. This is the most expensive option, costing a minimum of $1.05 billion up to $1.55 billion and taking 10 years to complete, starting in 2034.
The second option: let commercial industry do everything, with a reactor storage location to be determined. This would cost $750 million to $1.4 billion and would take 5 years to complete, starting in 2024. In either event, most of the ship gets turned into razor blades and flatware. (By comparison, a squadron of 10 F-35C Joint Strike Fighters costs $1.22 billion, and a brand new Burke-class guided missile destroyer costs $1.7 billion.)
The GAO report paints the commercial option as faster and cheaper, though there are a number of unknowns. Nobody knows where the hull will be dismantled under the commercial plan, nor where the reactors would be sent. Although the Navy believes disposing of the reactors will be fairly straightforward, no one has dismantled a nuclear-powered carrier before.
Compounding the issue is a “not my problem” intergovernmental dispute. The Naval Nuclear Propulsion Program, the arm of the Navy concerned with nuclear power, says the federal Nuclear Regulatory Commission could oversee a commercial effort. But the NRC says Navy nuclear reactors are not its job. It’s not clear exactly why NNPP doesn’t want the job, although it currently has a backlog of 10 submarine reactors and two cruiser reactor to deal with (which is probably why a Navy effort won’t start until 2034). Ultimately, according to the GAO, it may take Congress to make a decision.
Whatever the Navy ends up doing, this will only be the first of many nuclear-powered carrier disposals. USS Nimitz is set to retire within the next ten years, and there are ten ships in the class. These will age out every four or five years for the next forty years, and each has two reactors. The Navy must get Enterprise’s teardown right, because the orders are going to start stacking up.
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It'll Cost $1 Billion To Dismantle America's Nuclear-Powered Aircraft Carrier (popularmechanics.com) 193

Posted by EditorDavid on Saturday August 11, 2018 @03:34PM from the owning-a-boat dept.


"Six years after decommissioning USS Enterprise, the world's first nuclear-powered aircraft carrier, the U.S. Navy is still figuring out how to safely dismantle the ship," reports Popular Mechanics. schwit1 tipped us off to their report: The General Accounting Office estimates the cost of taking apart the vessel and sending the reactors to a nuclear waste storage facility at up to $1.5 billion, or about one-eighth the cost of a brand-new aircraft carrier.

The USS Enterprise was commissioned in 1961 to be the centerpiece of a nuclear-powered carrier task force, Task Force One, that could sail around the world without refueling.... The Navy decommissioned Enterprise in 2012 and removed the fuel from the eight Westinghouse A2W nuclear reactors in 2013. The plan was to scrap the ship and remove the reactors, transporting them by barge from Puget Sound Naval Base down the Washington Coast and up the Columbia River, then trucking them to the Department of Energy's Hanford Site for permanent storage. However, after decommissioning the cost of disposing of the 93,000-ton ship soared from an estimated $500-$750 million to more than a billion dollars. This caused the Navy to put a pause on disposal while it sought out cheaper options. Today the stripped-down hull of the Enterprise sits in Newport News, Virginia awaiting its fate.

"Although the Navy believes disposing of the reactors will be fairly straightforward, no one has dismantled a nuclear-powered carrier before...

"Whatever the Navy ends up doing, this will only be the first of many nuclear-powered carrier disposals."


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美军拆解一艘退役核航母 要每个中国人掏一美元才够

美军拆解一艘退役核航母 要每个中国人掏一美元才够



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美国海军功勋航母企业号正在拆解,据美国海军给出的报告,拆解费用将高达15亿美元。而美国政府所属的问责局对此表示,高达15亿的拆解方案存在许多疑点,将会对此展开调查。
我们虽然不知道这件事里面存在什么故事,但核动力航母的拆解,并不是一件容易的事。
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当年珊瑚海号拆了5年,还是常规动力航母
一般情况下,一般的船只拆解也不便宜,原因在于,船只拆解并不仅仅是将船拆了这么简单。即使是一般的民用船只,在拆解前都需要先将船体内的一切液体(燃料、润滑油、制冷液等等)抽出来,之后再将船体内的线路悉数去除,之后才能进行进一步的整体结构分解。
而到了军舰上,特别是核动力航母这样的大型主力战舰,其拆解难度将相当之高。由于特殊部件相当之多,在拆解前,需要人工将许多东西手动拆出航母,如火控系统、消防系统、弹射器等等。而且由于作战的需求,一些作战设备里往往含有一些有毒物质,需要专门的化学工作人员才能将它们移除。
更为重要的是,这是一艘核动力航空母舰,其核心部分便是核动力装备。现在的核动力航母都考虑到了进行核燃料更换,在设计之初便对核反应堆进行了模块化设计,使得更换核燃料变得方便。但作为美国第一艘核动力航母的企业号(CVN-65),其设计理念远不及现在那么成熟,想要完全将核反应堆拆除非常困难:首先得将核反应堆里的核燃料分装运出,之后还得对船体进行一定的拆解,最后才能完全将反应堆分离出船体。而且,核废料只能密封于铅罐里深埋地下,而这中间的费用令人乍舌。
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作为一艘军用舰艇,航母的抗打击能力相当的优秀,结构强度相当之高,这也给拆解带来了很大的困难,相较于普通民船的拆解更费时费力。而且拆解过程还需要注意保密问题,一些敏感的部件能搬走的搬走,搬不走的需要随船拆解的,还得派专门的工作人员负责保密工作。
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总而言之,拆解核动力航母花费巨大,因此没有相当的国力,是玩不起核动力航母的。而“企业号”这个象征着美国海军精神的名字从第二次世界大战令日军闻风丧胆的CV-6到引领美国海军步入新时代的CVN-65,将一直传承下去(福特级航母CVN-80)。(作者署名:利刃/兔子)
 

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How strong is the anti-strike capability of the aircraft carrier? It can bomb the US military for 25 days.
Sina Military at 16:23 on August 13, 2018


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The US media recently announced the scene of the sinking of the "Kitty Hawk" class aircraft carrier "United States" (CV-66). With the first public appearance of the "American" aircraft carrier sunken, the US Navy sank in the Atlantic 13 years ago. The top secret file of this 80,000-ton steel behemoth was also unveiled.
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▲ "United States" aircraft carrier is slowly slipping into the Atlantic
On April 19, 2005, the "American" aircraft carrier, which served in the US Navy for 31 years, slowly drove to the Atlantic Ocean off the east coast under the tug of the tugboat, where the "United States" will play the final for the US Navy. A trace of heat. Due to its huge size and high cost, the "American" aircraft carrier did not have to enjoy the old age in the Naval Museum. After the assessment, the US Navy decided to use the ship as an aircraft carrier anti-strike test with strong opposition from more than 6,000 retired veterans. The target ship sank and collected data due to the development of the subsequent aircraft carrier.
Shortly after being towed out of the port, the "US" aircraft carrier arrived at the scheduled anti-strike test area, and the three-dimensional strike test began. According to the US Navy's report, the three-dimensional strike experiment lasted for about four weeks. During this period, the US Navy used various air-to-ship, ship-to-ship, and submarine ammunition to blast the 80,000-ton ship. Indiscriminately, the sensors installed on the ship will collect the experimental data of the "US" aircraft carrier anti-strike test.
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▲ It is said that this is a panoramic photo of the sinking of the "American" aircraft carrier suspended inside the Pentagon.
After the experimental data was collected, the US Navy finally sunk the "US" aircraft carrier on May 14, 2005 using high-explosive drugs placed in the hull. The ship's ship disappeared at 11:30 am on the same day. Sliding into the Atlantic Ocean slowly, the US Navy and engineers paid a tribute to the 80,000-ton ship.
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▲The "United States" aircraft carrier hull sinks into the sea as a whole, and the top of the island mast is still exposed to the water.
Surprisingly, from the photos of the US Navy, when the "US" aircraft carrier sank into the Atlantic Ocean, the hull still maintained its basic shape, and the flight deck did not see obvious cracks, and the island could see it. If it is not a high explosive drug in the ship's body, this giant ship should be able to withstand several days of blows. Prior to the test, the two lifts (one on each of the left and starboard sides) of the "US" aircraft carrier had been removed for the carrier aircraft impact test.
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▲The lift that was dismantled was equipped with the A-7D carrier attack aircraft.
According to the post-military report of the US Sea, the wreckage of the "US" aircraft carrier did not sink into the deep seabed about 17,100 feet (5,180 meters) of the Atlantic Ocean until it was blown for six days. The wreckage of the ship was located in the southeast of the US East Coast. 400 km of the sea floor. (Author's signature: military aircraft map)



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航空母舰抗打击能力有多强 可扛美军各种导弹轰炸25天

航空母舰抗打击能力有多强 可扛美军各种导弹轰炸25天



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美国媒体日前公布了“小鹰”级航空母舰“美国”号(CV-66)被击沉的现场照片,随着“美国”号航母沉没现场照片的首次公开,13年前美国海军在大西洋击沉这艘8万吨钢铁巨兽的绝密档案也就此揭开。
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▲“美国”号航母正缓缓滑入大西洋
2005年4月19日,在美国海军服役31年的功勋战舰“美国”号航母在拖船的拖带下缓缓向东海岸外的大西洋驶去,在那里,“美国”号将为美国海军发挥最后一丝余热。由于体积巨大且造价高昂,“美国”号航母最终没得在海军博物馆“安享晚年”,美国海军在评估之后,顶着6000多名退役老兵的强烈反对,决定将该舰用作航母抗打击试验的靶船击沉,收集数据由于后续航空母舰的研制。
在被拖带出港不久之后,“美国”号航母就抵达了预定的抗打击试验区,立体打击试验随即开始。根据美国海军的报告,立体打击实验一共持续了约4周时间,在此期间美国海军动用各型空对舰、舰对舰、潜对舰弹药对这艘8万吨的巨舰展开了狂轰滥炸,设置于舰上各处的传感器则全方位收集“美国”号航母抗打击试验的实验数据。
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▲据称这是悬挂在五角大楼内部的“美国”号航母沉没现场全景照片
在实验数据收集完毕之后,美国海军最终于2005年5月14日利用提前布置在舰体中的高爆炸药将“美国”号航母击沉,该舰的舰艉于当天消失上午11时30分左右缓缓滑入大西洋中,在场美国海军及工程人员现场默哀致敬这艘8万吨巨舰。
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▲“美国”号航母舰体整体沉入海中,舰岛桅杆顶端还露在水面
令人惊讶的是,从美国海军公开的照片来看,“美国”号航母在沉入大西洋时,舰体依旧保持了基本形状,飞行甲板未见明显大的裂缝,舰岛还能看清。如果不是舰体内的高爆炸药,这艘巨舰应该还能承受连续数天的打击。在试验之前,“美国”号航母的两部升降机(左、右舷各一部)已经被拆除用于舰载机抗冲击试验。
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▲被拆除的升降机,上面搭载的是A-7D舰载攻击机
据美国海军事后的报告,“美国”号航母的残骸直到被炸沉6天之后才缓缓沉入了大西洋海底约17100英尺(5180米)的深海海底,舰体残骸位于距离美国东海岸东南约400公里的海底。(作者署名:军机图)
 
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