PAP faces a new challenge. Roy and JBJ - a world apart

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Did anyone notice the difference between the 2. What is a clear emerging trend is that PAP is now facing a new set of detractors. They are not politicians, they do not speak like politicians and they certainly do not look anything like politicians. Roy looks like an ordinary citizen that has decided to stand up. Han Hui Hui is another. Prepared to voice their concerns publicly.

They are also different from usual NGO materials such as the Mauruah lot who are social activists but work within the system and pretty much the intelligentsia that differs. The fact that the name "Mauruah" does not resonate with most people but to those that came up with it tells a lot.

This does not not bode well for the PAP. The use of OB markers, laws governing political donations, constraints placed on political parties and candidates are not enough to contain dissent. A second front has opened up. Its the young ones that have stepped forward.

Compare Roy to the morons that you see on the YPAP video that went horribly wrong.
 
Its also the environment that has changed.

The populace is more educated (but still be 60% threshold)
Internet has made news and data and information more readily available
This allows people to see and compare with what the gahmen is saying and what the real info is
And easier to make your thoughts and ideas known by blogging etc etc and the world can see it,,

So PAP really hates the internet,,and the way they are acting now is a throwback to the 80s and 90s where PAP can hantam u chia lat chia lat and u got no recourse,,,and they do wish for those 'good old days'//
 
Did anyone notice the difference between the 2. What is a clear emerging trend is that PAP is now facing a new set of detractors. They are not politicians, they do not speak like politicians and they certainly do not look anything like politicians. Roy looks like an ordinary citizen that has decided to stand up. Han Hui Hui is another. Prepared to voice their concerns publicly.

They are also different from usual NGO materials such as the Mauruah lot who are social activists but work within the system and pretty much the intelligentsia that differs. The fact that the name "Mauruah" does not resonate with most people but to those that came up with it tells a lot.

This does not not bode well for the PAP. The use of OB markers, laws governing political donations, constraints placed on political parties and candidates are not enough to contain dissent. A second front has opened up. Its the young ones that have stepped forward.

Compare Roy to the morons that you see on the YPAP video that went horribly wrong.

Scroobal, I am afraid it may not be a new challenge. On the contrary the PAP's job has become easier.

As you said, the people getting sued these days shifted from politicians like JBJ, Chee and Tang to Roy and Alex Au. But unlike JBJ, Roy and Alex are not politicians and cannot milk sympathy votes from what happens to them.

PAP can also claim they have no political agenda behind suing Roy and Alex, since these people are not politicians.
 
Did anyone notice the difference between the 2. What is a clear emerging trend is that PAP is now facing a new set of detractors. They are not politicians, they do not speak like politicians and they certainly do not look anything like politicians. Roy looks like an ordinary citizen that has decided to stand up. Han Hui Hui is another. Prepared to voice their concerns publicly.
hahaha....u only have to look at yourself in the mirror.....
there is whole a world of difference between voicing concerns and spouting nonsense....
your case is crystal clear....you spouts nonsense regularly in the guise of voicing concerns.
 
Politic is in everyone's blood, no one is born to be a politician like this man:

“But we either believe in democracy or we not. If we do, then, we must say categorically, without qualification, that no restraint from the any democratic processes, other than by the ordinary law of the land, should be allowed… If you believe in democracy, you must believe in it unconditionally. If you believe that men should be free, then, they should have the right of free association, of free speech, of free publication. Then, no law should permit those democratic processes to be set at nought.”
- Lee Kuan Yew as an opposition leader, April 27, 1955

And he oppose for the sake of opposing of things he don't believe in.

Scroobal, I am afraid it may not be a new challenge. On the contrary the PAP's job has become easier.

As you said, the people getting sued these days shifted from politicians like JBJ, Chee and Tang to Roy and Alex Au. But unlike JBJ, Roy and Alex are not politicians and cannot milk sympathy votes from what happens to them.

PAP can also claim they have no political agenda behind suing Roy and Alex, since these people are not politicians.
 
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The good part of this new front is that they are not bound by Party discipline or ideology. They can address issues as they arise. A good example is WP who will not engage the Govt outside Parliament unless the Govt makes a direct allegation against them. Understandable as to avoid getting into a mess which they cannot control. Not all are in the calibre of SL, PS and LTK.

People like Roy and Alex fill that necessary void. Lets face it Alex has been more damaging to the PAP then all the opposition candidates in recent years. And his work translates into votes for the opposition. The same with Catherine Lim. These people raise issues that are contentious.

Its the very reason why Old Man and GCT who was PM then wanted Catherine Lim to go into politics. Thats means constraints. If allowed to continue, more citizens some of whom who are articulate, capable and intelligent can shred the PAP on various policies but who have no interest in entering parliament or be associated with a political party.







Scroobal, I am afraid it may not be a new challenge. On the contrary the PAP's job has become easier.

As you said, the people getting sued these days shifted from politicians like JBJ, Chee and Tang to Roy and Alex Au. But unlike JBJ, Roy and Alex are not politicians and cannot milk sympathy votes from what happens to them.

PAP can also claim they have no political agenda behind suing Roy and Alex, since these people are not politicians.
 
Agree. All these factors help and the information flow not constrained by the state allows people to make a more accurate judgment. What I found interesting is that many of the PAP MPs look not only ordinary but in some instances re quite bad. One example is Yeo Guat Kwang. The guy look and behaves more like a political party organiser and a facilities man than a representatives of the people. He is probably good at organising 50 lorries to be at Clementi Stadium than handle a debate on population increase.


Its also the environment that has changed.

The populace is more educated (but still be 60% threshold)
Internet has made news and data and information more readily available
This allows people to see and compare with what the gahmen is saying and what the real info is
And easier to make your thoughts and ideas known by blogging etc etc and the world can see it,,

So PAP really hates the internet,,and the way they are acting now is a throwback to the 80s and 90s where PAP can hantam u chia lat chia lat and u got no recourse,,,and they do wish for those 'good old days'//
 
Agree. The ability to flip on basic principles for his own ends is exceptional and many Singaporeans admired his prowess in this field and dare not take him on.

A good example is when he came to Parliament despite his age specially to take on NMP Viswa Sadasivam and destroyed him. Viswa a Harvard alumnus, a TV presenter etc never recovered from it and became very quiet. He tore the basis and existence of the pledge that his first govt put together.



Politic is in everyone's blood, no one is born to be a politician like this man:

“But we either believe in democracy or we not. If we do, then, we must say categorically, without qualification, that no restraint from the any democratic processes, other than by the ordinary law of the land, should be allowed… If you believe in democracy, you must believe in it unconditionally. If you believe that men should be free, then, they should have the right of free association, of free speech, of free publication. Then, no law should permit those democratic processes to be set at nought.”
- Lee Kuan Yew as an opposition leader, April 27, 1955

And he oppose for the sake of opposing of things he don't believe in.
 
What is a clear emerging trend is that PAP is now facing a new set of detractors. They are not politicians, they do not speak like politicians and they certainly do not look anything like politicians.

I was discussing something similar with friends just recently and arrived at the same conclusion: the new crop of "trouble makers" for Pap is created by Pap themselves.

Typically in an Asian society, the outspoken dissidents are more than likely minorities. JBJ amd Alex Au are examples. Civic mindedness has never been sinkie's strong suit since most of us (Gen X-ers) have been content to work and live the singapore dream.

With the immigration policy, the rice bowl and life opportunities of normal citizens have been affected. This leads to mainstreamers becoming radicalised. Just consider the demographics of Gilbert (over 40), Han hui hui and Alex tan (under 25) to get the picture. I am quite sure more people from these 2 age groups will emerge in the next 2 years.

Obi good! This is what you get for fucking with people's rice bowls.
 
hahaha....u only have to look at yourself in the mirror.....
there is whole a world of difference between voicing concerns and spouting nonsense....
your case is crystal clear....you spouts nonsense regularly in the guise of voicing concerns.

Is there a need to start a new thread in this section on something as painfully obvious as the topic in this thread?
 
At that time, the PAP always says its the 'social compact'. THe PAP will ensure economy is good and people got jobs etc,,,but of course the PAP gone back on its word,,and the people have limited recourse,,,that is what happens when PAP was given the blank cheque,,,
I was discussing something similar with friends just recently and arrived at the same conclusion: the new crop of "trouble makers" for Pap is created by Pap themselves.

Typically in an Asian society, the outspoken dissidents are more than likely minorities. JBJ amd Alex Au are examples. Civic mindedness has never been sinkie's strong suit since most of us (Gen X-ers) have been content to work and live the singapore dream.

With the immigration policy, the rice bowl and life opportunities of normal citizens have been affected. This leads to mainstreamers becoming radicalised. Just consider the demographics of Gilbert (over 40), Han hui hui and Alex tan (under 25) to get the picture. I am quite sure more people from these 2 age groups will emerge in the next 2 years.

Obi good! This is what you get for fucking with people's rice bowls.
 
Is there a need to start a new thread in this section on something as painfully obvious as the topic in this thread?
hahaha....my master is special breed....
he has the thickest hide on planet earth.....
he is the centre of the universe and the earth revolves around him....
he needs his regular fixes and stroking from his PLPs...and of of course his faithful doggie.
 
The good part of this new front is that they are not bound by Party discipline or ideology. They can address issues as they arise.

Agree but there are downsides as well. PAP will think twice about suing an opposition election candidate but not a blogger. The former will be perceived differently, and maybe hit international news.

People like Roy and Alex fill that necessary void. Lets face it Alex has been more damaging to the PAP then all the opposition candidates in recent years. And his work translates into votes for the opposition.

The PAP has to an extent figured out how to handle this - issue legal threats and make them apologize. When the blogger apologizes, people start doubting if the blogger knew what he was saying. This if repeated multiple times like in Alex Au's case negates the impact he can make.

I wondered if the repeated legal threats have anything to do with the fact that Alex has stopped blogging for 2 months now.

Saying all that, I sympathize with citizens speaking up and there should be some legal protection on this.
 
hahaha....u only have to look at yourself in the mirror.....
there is whole a world of difference between voicing concerns and spouting nonsense....
your case is crystal clear....you spouts nonsense regularly in the guise of voicing concerns.

Yes, but at least he does not fuck his grandson every day, u sick pedophile.
 
Is there a need to start a new thread in this section on something as painfully obvious as the topic in this thread?


i don't have an issue with starting stating the obvious or everyone knows threads. all kinds of everything is welcome. but this screw is always jeering at other forummers for clearly stating the obvious so he shouldn't do the damn same thing. he always has fucking double standards when it comes to himself. it just shows he is a bloody hypocrite shit. he fucks PAP day in and day out, he seems very pro-Opposition on the surface, but i wonder, he voted for the Opposition ever before ?? there are some really despicable people in this world...
 
The good part of this new front is that they are not bound by Party discipline or ideology. They can address issues as they arise. A good example is WP who will not engage the Govt outside Parliament unless the Govt makes a direct allegation against them. Understandable as to avoid getting into a mess which they cannot control. Not all are in the calibre of SL, PS and LTK.

People like Roy and Alex fill that necessary void. Lets face it Alex has been more damaging to the PAP then all the opposition candidates in recent years. And his work translates into votes for the opposition. The same with Catherine Lim. These people raise issues that are contentious.

Its the very reason why Old Man and GCT who was PM then wanted Catherine Lim to go into politics. Thats means constraints. If allowed to continue, more citizens some of whom who are articulate, capable and intelligent can shred the PAP on various policies but who have no interest in entering parliament or be associated with a political party.

I think that you are totally off target here. The fact that people like Roy exist is a damning evidence that our oppo parties are totally in adequate. Roy by himself has churned out more thought provoking articles, backed up by facts, than all the oppo parties combined. This is the age of the internet, people want to know right away, and get an alternate view of the news as opposed to the PAP sanction version. The oppo parties are totally timid and he makes them look like fools. Just look at the WP website for example. there is no mention of the hottest recent local topics. eg. Anton Casey, Phillipines NAtional day celebration in Orchard, lawsuit against Roy, high cost of living, crowded out and over populated by FTs, Little India Riots, etc. These are all the talk of the town, and what citizens are discussing, and yet not a peep on these subjects by the WP. One tends to think the WP is just another stooge extension of the PAP.

A perusal of the other oppo website is not much better. NSP's website has not put out any press release since Dec. 2013 and its last mention was about the Little India Riots. SDP is the most active website, but their words are not backed by action like Roy does, when he speaks out in public. Reform Party has an active website too, and has running commentary on recent events, but like the other parties, their outlook is micro rather than macro. I mean who cares about the award of bus routes by the LTA? Really? non of the oppo parties have a clearly laid out plan on how to win the next elections and what they will do. Any oppo members who go on this forum and other forums like TRE, RealSingapore, etc. can tell after half an hour what is dearest to the hearts of singaporeans. Why can't they simply come out with a specific manifesto that an ordinary singaporean can understand:

If we win the election, we will do the following:

1) make it the law for all companies to offer job positions to Singaporeans first.
2) All professional and PMET FTs will be phased out and their work visas will not be renewed, their jobs will be filled by locals
3) All CPF to be taken out at age 55 with no reservations and conditions
4) Defence budget will be cut by 50% and funds devoted to healthcare spending
5) scholarships and reserved spots for all unis, sec schools and polys will be terminated right away

These are just some of the clearly laid out commitments that the oppos can make and will appeal to the singapore heart. The list can be long and comprehensive, but it will state what they intend to do if they win. why they do not do it, I have no idea? Roy fulfills a desire by many singaporeans to articulate that they want these things to happen. And he does it in a topical and time sensitive manner. that is why he is the one the PAP needs to shut up. They have rightly identified that he is a bigger threat that the other oppo parties combined. U are comparing him with JBJ and LTK and SL and what not. he is not even in the same district with them. He is another wave.
 
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