Oppo parties Boycotting NCMP post next GE a right move !

[Man in the streets]

Honorable Mr Low TK said the right thing. He would not take up the NCMP thing if he is not elected.

If Oppo parties are aiming for NCMPs , then the whole effort for the last 5 years is wasted.

PAP MPs are yespeople factoring the NMP, then NCMP is what ?
If NMPs are there to oppose for the sake, then what are PAP MPs doing, just say yes? What can the NMPs do ?

Ms Sylvia Lim is outstanding , she is voted into the parliament as an honorable NCMP

But now, PAP is making NCMP a joke, they are making voters to look like fools, you want debate without decisions, sure we can give it to you , more NCMPs. more jokes in the parliament since you like it. You see the typical joke by a typical man !

Again, if oppo parties are aiming for NCMPs, singapore is in deep trouble.

Singapore Voters do not understand what is called power balance, that can make their life less hectic and less stressful, and pay less to have more in life.

Singapore voters do not know how to garner power from oppo parties to live a more wholesome lifestyle. They are so stupid to keep paying and worry about their rertirement funds.

Lets hope Oppo parties do something special next GE ---warn the voters !

You see, old people can call them "no spurs in their hide"---and yet these voters still vote for them !

Next GE, if oppo parties could tell the voters that if they are not voted in, they would not take up NCMP post becos NCMP can't change a thing.

If voters want some change good for everybody, they must vote in at least 30 to 40 oppo members inside the parliament---this is the gist.

In singapore , everything is politics---from healthcare to paying PUB bills.

If voters prefer pay and pay for life, and pile up huge public debts, they can vote for PAP forever !

Good luck oppo parties.....boycotting NCMP is a right move, lets hope Oppo parties wake up the voters next GE ! It is also time the voters should wake up !

 

[Sideswipe]

yes, oppo should boycott NCMP.
and NMP is a fail safe to NCMP. PAP can say - you want "oppo", oppo boycott NCMP, we have NMP.
NCMP have been rejected by the electorate so there is no legitimately even if they are high scoring losers.

you want changes? let our oppositions form the govt.
A shareholder with 51% control the business.
A majority of 1 rule parliament.
Your 49% shares or 49% oppo MP are free to express their opinion on issues but real changes lay in those with executive power.

 

[Queen Seok Duk]

First, they crippled you with all the gerrymandering; and next, they offer you a wheelchair.

Now what do we have ? The oppositions are clamoring for the wheelchair. Every one NCMP seat taken up by opposition is another nail driven into the coffin of democracy. When there are few NCMP seats, the impact is not obvious. I'm glad PAP has decided to offer more NCMP seats, and now you're beginning to see the kind impact it will bring. It's like filling up water in a bucket with a frog within. You start with cold water, and the frog will not be not be alerted into jumping out of the bucket. Then you add some lukewarm water, and because of the gradual change in temperature, the frog is oblivious to the change. When you finally add hot water, the frog suddenly realizes by which time the water is already over its head.

SDP still has not answered my question. Will they take up NCMP seat if given the opportunity in the next GE ? I asked this question because SDP is the most vociferous of the oppositions when it concerns democracy. It's going to be a slap on the face if they accept NCMP seat.

If you accept NCMP seat, you accept NCMP scheme. If you accept NCMP scheme, you're an accomplice to why Singapore lacks democracy.

 

[Perspective]

The next thing people will ask opposition is not to contest GRCs.

People, you want democracy, talk to your friends. Convert 1 out of 3 friends to vote opposition, that shouldn't be too difficult, but enough for the democracy you want to see.

 

[Perspective]

What do NMP and NCMP stands for?

Not really an MP??

Not Considered a real MP? LOL!

A lot of people compare an NCMP to an MP, but I think that is barking up the wrong tree. An NCMP is not an alternative to an opposition MP. An NCMP is an alternative to NO SEAT.

Between an NCMP and elected MP, of course people want the latter. But if the opposition candidate has not got elected MP, you want him to have no seat and get blacked by the media (like Steve Chia) or a weak seat where the medias cover him.

Therefore people have to compare NCMP and no seat. Does opposition with no seat shows up Singapore to be a better democracy or worse democracy than opposition with 9 NCMPs? I think it makes no difference. People are still going to laugh at PAP for being dominant.

As for NMP, it is not like NCMP in the sense that NCMP aims to get elected, NMP applied for an NMP post knowing that it was an NCMP.

 

[fivestars]

Opposition parties unable to boycotting NCMP:-

1) Opposition votes is come from voters. It is a democratic process. Respect our voters.
2) You lose in General Election but your supporter had make you gain 49% votes. If you do not take the NCMP post, you are disgrace to your supporter.
3) If you do not take NCMP post, the hard work of your Election Agent Team and party members will gone.

 

[sampierre]

The next thing people will ask opposition is not to contest GRCs.
People, you want democracy, talk to your friends. Convert 1 out of 3 friends to vote opposition, that shouldn't be too difficult, but enough for the democracy you want to see.

Hi Perspective,

Do you have a very SERIOUS problem with the idea of boycotting GRC contests ???? IS THERE ANY THING WRONG IF THE OPPOSTION PARTIES JUST STICK TO CONTESTING ONLY THE SINGLE WARD SEATS???

People like you, Scroobal, Elephanto, Goh Meng Seng et al keep on harping on Barisan Socialis' walkout of Parliament in 1965 and boycott of 1968 GE to justify your silly stand that the Oppostion should NEVER boycott GE.

LET ME PUT IT THIS WAY:

ThE CIRCUMSTANCES TODAY ARE TOTALLY DIFFERENT FROM THOSE IN THE 1960's. Back then, there were no such things as NCMP scheme, GRC system, and Oppostion MP's having to run town councils. YES, it was very stupid of Barisan MPs to resign from Parliament -- because they wanted to protest against the unfair detention of many Barisan leaders by LKY --- when they had nearly 1/3 control of Parliament. BUT today, Parliament is almost totally controlled by the PAP REGARDLESS of whether the Oppostion boycott the GRC contests or not. Please do NOT treat the GRC contests as some sort of tikam-tikam whereby you try your casino luck to strike the first prize of getting into Parliament thru the front door.
Remember this very well : EACH GRC IS HELMED BY A MINISTER, AND NO STUPID RESIDENT IS GOING TO VOTE OUT HIS MINISTER EVEN IF HIS MINISTER HAPPENS TO BE LIM SUAY SUAY , THE MOST CLOWNISH MEMBER IN LEE HSIEN LOONG'S CABINET.

Therefore, I urge you to stop your DAYDREAMING!!

 

[Perspective]

Hi Perspective,

Do you have a very SERIOUS problem with the idea of boycotting GRC contests ???? IS THERE ANY THING WRONG IF THE OPPOSTION PARTIES JUST STICK TO CONTESTING ONLY THE SINGLE WARD SEATS???

People like you, Scroobal, Elephanto, Goh Meng Seng et al keep on harping on Barisan Socialis' walkout of Parliament in 1965 and boycott of 1968 GE to justify your silly stand that the Oppostion should NEVER boycott GE.

LET ME PUT IT THIS WAY:

ThE CIRCUMSTANCES TODAY ARE TOTALLY DIFFERENT FROM THOSE IN THE 1960's. Back then, there were no such things as NCMP scheme, GRC system, and Oppostion MP's having to run town councils. YES, it was very stupid of Barisan MPs to resign from Parliament -- because they wanted to protest against the unfair detention of many Barisan leaders by LKY --- when they had nearly 1/3 control of Parliament. BUT today, Parliament is almost totally controlled by the PAP REGARDLESS of whether the Oppostion boycott the GRC contests or not. Please do NOT treat the GRC contests as some sort of tikam-tikam whereby you try your casino luck to strike the first prize of getting into Parliament thru the front door.
Remember this very well : EACH GRC IS HELMED BY A MINISTER, AND NO STUPID RESIDENT IS GOING TO VOTE OUT HIS MINISTER EVEN IF HIS MINISTER HAPPENS TO BE LIM SUAY SUAY , THE MOST CLOWNISH MEMBER IN LEE HSIEN LOONG'S CABINET.

Therefore, I urge you to stop your DAYDREAMING!!

Do you know what you're saying? Biggest pile of literal trash I've seen in months.

 

[Sideswipe]

Opposition parties unable to boycotting NCMP:-

1) Opposition votes is come from voters. It is a democratic process. Respect our voters.
2) You lose in General Election but your supporter had make you gain 49% votes. If you do not take the NCMP post, you are disgrace to your supporter.
3) If you do not take NCMP post, the hard work of your Election Agent Team and party members will gone.

not sure how attractive NCMP is to aspiring oppo politician.
but as you say election is a democratic process. 51%, the majority doesn't want you in parliament. you must respect that mandate.

and NCMP is not Proportional Representation.

 

[sampierre]

[QUOTE=fivestars;455916]Opposition parties unable to boycotting NCMP:-

1) Opposition votes is come from voters. It is a democratic process. Respect our voters.
2) You lose in General Election but your supporter had make you gain 49% votes. If you do not take the NCMP post, you are disgrace to your supporter.
3) If you do not take NCMP post, the hard work of your Election Agent Team and party members will gone.[/QUOTE]

My dear Fivestars,

This is what the PAP is telling all the Oppostion parties, and you have CLEARLY fallen into their trap!!

 

[sampierre]

Do you know what you're saying? Biggest pile of literal trash I've seen in months.

Perspective, pleae tell me which part of my posting makes you very unhappy??
Let's have a proper discussion on the issues of NCMP scheme and the GRC system.

 

[Perspective]

Perspective, pleae tell me which part of my posting makes you very unhappy??
Let's have a proper discussion on the issues of NCMP scheme and the GRC system.

You certainly changed your position and in mood for discussion after evading mine several times.

Never mind that. Tell me when I used Barisan Sosialis as an example. Tell me what is the difference between "tikaming" GRCs or single wards. Why single wards not tikam and GRC is. Tell me when I daydreamed when I didn't even say opposition will win. Tell me when I unhappy. You can't answer any of it. Discuss what?

 

[sampierre]

You certainly changed your position and in mood for discussion after evading mine several times.
Hullo, what have i evaded before??

Never mind that. Tell me when I used Barisan Sosialis as an example. Tell me what is the difference between "tikaming" GRCs or single wards. Why single wards not tikam and GRC is. Tell me when I daydreamed when I didn't even say opposition will win. Tell me when I unhappy. You can't answer any of it. Discuss what?

Perspective, it's fine by me if you also consider single ward contests as a form of "tikam-tikam", BUT I'm sure you would agree with me that single ward contests pitting only one candidate against another are much fairer than GRC contests pitting a team of five people against another five. And I believe I don't have to elaborate on why the PAP devised the GRC system in 1988?
Obviously, I believe you are daydreaming because you sincerely believe that by taking part in GRC contests, the Opposition may eventually have a chance of entering Parliament thru the front door. The PAP are NOT stupid people because they have done their sums properly when they first introduced the GRC system.

 

[fivestars]

[QUOTE=fivestars;455916]Opposition parties unable to boycotting NCMP:-

1) Opposition votes is come from voters. It is a democratic process. Respect our voters.
2) You lose in General Election but your supporter had make you gain 49% votes. If you do not take the NCMP post, you are disgrace to your supporter.
3) If you do not take NCMP post, the hard work of your Election Agent Team and party members will gone.

My dear Fivestars,

This is what the PAP is telling all the Oppostion parties, and you have CLEARLY fallen into their trap!![/QUOTE]

Yes, I understand PAP is telling voters do not need to vote for opposition because we had NCMP system. This will make us lose deposit and lose in General Election. That is why Mr Low and GSM reject NCMP to make sure voters vote them in.

I am Goh Meng Seng party member. I also support him but the problem is when we lose deposit, no one be NCMP. How?

So I am an opposition member for opposition party to fight for the post. This is so call politic. Two side of a coin. One call for war and the other one call for defend.

 

[fivestars]

not sure how attractive NCMP is to aspiring oppo politician.
but as you say election is a democratic process. 51%, the majority doesn't want you in parliament. you must respect that mandate.

and NCMP is not Proportional Representation.

Proportional Representation will kill one party system.

In PRC, Communist party are the one ruling party. the NMP is the other 8 parties (I cannot remember).

IN ROC after Grandfather Chiang pass away, all party can contest with many candidates and the highest top five will be MP (I cannot remember).

The NSP SG want the District to be contest with party banned. The number of MPs depand on the percentage of votes in the district. It is a good idea but Mr Goh Meng Seng had not been elected as Prime Minister of Singapore, yet. Wish his words will make him to be our PM. Singapore is treasure island too.

 

[Perspective]

Perspective, it's fine by me if you also consider single ward contests as a form of "tikam-tikam", BUT I'm sure you would agree with me that single ward contests pitting only one candidate against another are much fairer than GRC contests pitting a team of five people against another five. And I believe I don't have to elaborate on why the PAP devised the GRC system in 1988?
Obviously, I believe you are daydreaming because you sincerely believe that by taking part in GRC contests, the Opposition may eventually have a chance of entering Parliament thru the front door. The PAP are NOT stupid people because they have done their sums properly when they first introduced the GRC system.

Let us start over. There are 2 choices for the opposition. One, contest fully. Two, contest only in terms of where any semblance of the original system remains.

The first means taking the maximum slack of whatever the election results reflect. That means contesting in an elections under the PMO, contest GRCs and take up the max number of NCMPs. The second means a boycott, because nothing from the British is left. You cannot take a choice in between, i.e., contest but not in GRCs, or contest GRCs but not take up NCMPs, because you end up selective and looking like PAP. Even if you say opposition should contest single wards only as it is the fair thing, don't forget that the whole election is under the PAP Prime Minister Office, so how can it be fair.

And the one flaw in your argument is that if the opposition members didn't join the opposition to contest the election, they wouldn't join opposition in the first place. Might as well be NGOs, or not "charp" at all.

If they take your view, they wouldn't even exist. To even have an opposition shows that your cajoling, lamenting or whatever you want to call it was not taken in the first place, so you're in a paradox.

 

[Ramseth]

It's quite clear that government and media trying to set the rules and trap opposition into unnecessary commitments. Contest fully according resources first. Then work out what to do with the results. GMS doesn't even know if there's a Tampines GRC for him to contest. Whole Eunos and Cheng San GRCs also could disappear.

 

[jw5]

I think the opposition should contest all seats, including GRCs, avoid 3 cornered fights and take up all NCMP seats.
If they don't contest GRCs or don't take NCMP seats, these 2 things will simply continue and the pap will simply say "Who ask you don't contest or don't take the opportunity to speak in parliament?"
But if the opposition contest all GRCs and perhaps win 1 or 2 or take up NCMP seats and make good speeches in parliament which reach the hearts and minds of the people, the GRC and NCMP system may not disappear immediately, but will gradually fade in prominence.

 

[elephanto]

I just have this to say to sampierre:- Had not Syvia Lim's performance as an NCMP in Parliament not enhanced her stature & made more Singaporeans aware of her credibility ? Come next GE, is her chances of being elected higher than if in between GE2006 & the next GE, the people are deprived of her many outstanding House speeches & NOT made aware of how much better if she can vote in supply & constitutional bills ? In politics, you exploit that which can give you leverage .... to be an absolutist, embrace religion.

 

[Ramseth]

My personal opinion is, any candidate qualifying for NCMP should take up first term, to gain exposure and experience in Parliament, but never a second term if loses again. That's my personal opinion, nothing to do with any party stand.

As for the likes of CST and LTK, they shouldn't take up NCMP if they lose. They've been voted MP, and if they lose, it not only means an election defeat but more significantly, it means MP being voted out; the message is clear.

People with longer memories may recall and question me about Lee Siew Choh and J.B. Jeyaretnam taking up NCMP seats after having been MPs themselves. My answer is this. I disagreed with them. They should have used it to groom the youngers.