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Only strict draconian China style lock down, social isolation and masked up can stop CV19

bart12

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@Leongsam :FU: is completely wrong on CV19 .. All around the world , countries with high CV infection never take lockdown , complete social isolation and masked up seriously..That is why they are in the seond and third wave... Only by locking up everyone in their home in highly infected area can CV be stopped..

https://www.yahoo.com/news/analysis-china-avoided-second-wave-113120190.html


Europe is the epicentre of the coronavirus pandemic once again, with the number of daily infections doubling in the past 10 days as a second wave hits. But China has avoided a second wave.

The question is why? The answer is that its authorities, after being overwhelmed in Wuhan, have fine-tuned an emergency response for surprise cluster outbreaks.

Many subsequent waves of infection have emerged in China, a country of 1.4 billion people and nearly 40 times the size of the UK. Cases have cropped up across the country, as far apart as in the south along the border to Vietnam, and in the north near Russia.

Even in Beijing, the capital – where social distancing and quarantine requirements have been the most stringent in order to protect the ruling Communist Party elite – the coronavirus managed to spread rapidly and infect hundreds in June.


Each time, the Chinese state has rolled out the same programme. Health officials have rushed to test millions of people within days – asking the public to visit large outdoors spaces, such as repurposed stadiums, or by sending workers door-to-door to swab residents.

In some instances, officials have tested a handful of samples together to save time, going back to test individually if necessary to pinpoint infections.

Those testing positive have been isolated and treated, with their close contacts quarantined at home or in government facilities. Again, shops, restaurants and other public facilities have been shut down, including the source of the outbreak.

The entire province of Xinjiang – itself seven times the size of the UK – locked down even though infections were largely clustered in the local capital of Urumqi. Residents complained of draconian restrictions, such as heavy iron bars across their doors, locking them at home.

More recently, a university in Beijing wouldn’t allow people to enter and exit when cases were discovered in Qingdao, more than 400 miles away.


Social distancing requirements on lifts are still in place, though not enforced as much as earlier in the year. People are still wearing face masks in public places.

China’s borders have been closed much of this year, with only Chinese citizens allowed to touch down in the country.

Only in recent weeks has the government begun relaxing re-entry restrictions for some foreigners that live and work in China.

But to be allowed on a flight bound for China requires test results valid from within 72 hours of take-off and notarised by the Chinese embassy, a test on arrival, and also a two-week quarantine in a government facility.

From the start of the pandemic, many people followed without question the government’s appeal to quarantine at home, even for those living far from the epicentre in Wuhan.

Part of that was because many living in China have experienced deadly infectious disease outbreaks before, such as Sars. People here are also, in a way, used to doing what they are told, having been incubated in an authoritarian state.

That isn’t to say that there isn’t private grumbling about invasive, detailed contact tracing.

Mobile apps that show your health contagion risk profile are mandatory to gain entry to public places. In many instances, visitors also have to scan a QR code to register their presence, in case an outbreak flares up later on. Temperature checks are coupled with facial recognition.


Privacy was already shrinking in pre-Covid China, with surveillance cameras going up everywhere and plenty of monitoring via people’s mobile phones. The little bit that remained is getting snuffed out, with coronavirus containment success giving the Chinese state further reason to argue for even more surveillance.

The curbs are even impacting diplomats whose rights ought to be protected by the Vienna Convention – yet another international accord Beijing is disregarding.

In China, it hasn’t helped that local officials in charge of places experiencing subsequent waves have gotten sacked. While in the West, such action means a move toward greater government accountability, in China, what that tells lower-level Party cadres is that making a mistake means losing your job.

That, in itself, disincentivises transparency and reporting up the chain when trouble hits – a particular quirk of how China is governed under the Communist Party and one that meant suppressed information to the public at the start of the pandemic.

So while China’s model has worked in many instances, it’s not quite one size fits all.
 

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It goes without saying that if you lock everyone up and physically separate all humans from one another the infection would die off.

However this is not a practical solution because it means bringing the world economy to a standstill plus it results in people dying of other causes because they lack the freedom of movement to get treatment for cancer, heart attacks, cholera, measles etc etc.

The analogy would be a worldwide ban on motor vehicles in order to save 1.4 million people every year as that is the number that are killed by automobile accidents. It would work but more people would die of starvation and so on because the distribution system would grind to a halt.

China, NZ etc have isolated themselves from the rest of the world at the moment and this has halted the spread. However they cannot remain isolated forever as the economy is dependent on tourism and international students. Sooner or later the borders have to open regardless.

Even if a reasonably effective vaccine is formulated it still won't stop the disease because no vaccine is 100% effective. We have had the flu vaccine for almost half a century yet 500,000 or more people die every single year from influenza.

If Covid was killing 50% of those who caught it drastic measures might be called for as the alternative would be catastrophic for the human species.

However Covid IFR is less than 0.2% overall and less than 0.05% for those under 60 which is lower than the flu IFR.

We don't lockdown countries because of influenza so why do we do it for Covid?
 

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:FU: China has the strongest GDP growth now because they do all the right things that you are against to stop the virus . 1.4 billions Chinese are now able to travel freely domestically and enjoy a good time.
China, NZ etc have isolated themselves from the rest of the world at the moment and this has halted the spread. However they cannot remain isolated forever as the economy is dependent on tourism and international students. Sooner or later the borders have to open regardless.
 

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:FU: China has the strongest GDP growth now because they do all the right things that you are against to stop the virus . 1.4 billions Chinese are now able to travel freely domestically and enjoy a good time.
Not everyone has luxury of a 1.4 billion population. NZ's domestic economy is non existent.
 

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It is not working in the US because US did not employed an army of police and military personnel to enforce all the rules.. US enforcement need to shoot on sight on any stupid American who don't follow the rules.. :FU:@Leongsam
'Wear your masks, watch your distance, wash your hands': CDC on combatting Covid-19

 

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It is not working in the US because US did not employed an army of police and military personnel to enforce all the rules.. US enforcement need to shoot on sight on any stupid American who don't follow the rules.. :FU:@Leongsam
'Wear your masks, watch your distance, wash your hands': CDC on combatting Covid-19


The models are a load of rubbish. Masks don't work. Just look at the figures in Japan.

They had a huge second wave just like most other countries and the Japs are well known for following the rules to the letter.

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Non sense no need learn from xixip new zland Arden is doing v well. Land slide victory for handle covid. :thumbsup:
 

bart12

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Japan is still 1000 times better than all these Americans, European and Latino countries... The problem with Japan is the govt cannot control the dick of some Japanese men ..If Tokyo has closed down all the night spots..Japan will have 0 infection
The models are a load of rubbish. Masks don't work. Just look at the figures in Japan.

They had a huge second wave just like most other countries and the Japs are well known for following the rules to the letter.

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@Leongsam :FU: is completely wrong on CV19 .. All around the world , countries with high CV infection never take lockdown , complete social isolation and masked up seriously..That is why they are in the seond and third wave... Only by locking up everyone in their home in highly infected area can CV be stopped..
You trust China's number? CCP is the most corrupted govt in the world and you trust words from the most corrupted govt???
 

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You trust China's number? CCP is the most corrupted govt in the world and you trust words from the most corrupted govt???

Throughout human history we have balanced risk with reward in order to advance society. Why has this suddenly changed with Covid-19? How can we suddenly be aiming for ZERO cases and ZERO deaths from a disease when we have not been able to remove a myriad of other risks that we face on a daily basis?

The answer has to be obvious. There is an agenda behind all the actions that governments around the world are taking.
 
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