One year wait for specialist at public hospital.....

you never realise how good, efficient and competent our medical care is until you yourself met with a medical emergency. after the event, you will come here and kiss the ground of singapore and write tons to praise the doctors and our healthcare system. you will even come here to rebut those who run down our healthcare system here.

we have one of the best healthcare systems in the world and we have one of the best healthcare financing schemes in the world.

we are a model to the world.

You took too much meds. A model to the world? Which world? Third World, of course. First world? No way. Our middle and working class will have to be bankrupt to low cost health care, even then that is sub-standard. A major illness will wipe out your life's savings and put you into debt for the rest of your life. That's the model to the world?
 
You took too much meds. A model to the world? Which world? Third World, of course. First world? No way. Our middle and working class will have to be bankrupt to low cost health care, even then that is sub-standard. A major illness will wipe out your life's savings and put you into debt for the rest of your life. That's the model to the world?

bro, how many of our citizens are bankrupt because they can't afford to pay their bills? how many have to wait for one year to get their appointment to see a specialist? what is the percentage?

we should appreciate the fact that our world class medical healthcare is most affordable to our citizens...and many are paying the minimum for long term chronic diseases and many are indeed grateful to our benevolent government - a compassionate, kind and generous government. welfarism is not the way to go - it will bankrupt the whole country. and nobody is going to work hard to pay the hefty taxes. talk about the nordic countries, nobody wants to work at all!!!!!life is just too good and taxes are just too high!!!!

singapore 's model is the best. you are partly responsible for your own healthcare cost. no free lunch. you stay healthy, it's good for you. you fall sick and need treatment, you have to pay your share of the medical bill. free medical healthcare is the recipe for disaster.
 
How soon before the cost of healthcare here catches up with the US?

Why the cost of giving birth could make you cry like a baby

For Therese Allison, the pain of childbirth didn't end in the hospital delivery room. Now that her baby's born, she's dealing with another kind of pain: coming up with the cash to pay for the delivery.

Allison, who gave birth to her third child three weeks ago, runs a business with her husband and is one of many self-employed Americans with no insurance. Once she became pregnant, Allison tried to sign up for health insurance to help lighten the financial load.

But the insurance companies balked. "They said, 'Well, we're sorry, but you have a pre-existing condition and we can't insure you,'" Allison said.

It didn't take long for the New Jersey mom and her husband to learn the daunting costs of having a baby when you don't have insurance or government assistance.

Over the last 15 years, the cost of vaginal deliveries has practically doubled in the United States, shooting up from $4,918 to $9,294, while the cost of C-sections has increased 70 percent from an average of $8,268 to $14,055, according to Truven Health Analytics.

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By contrast, the average cost for an uncomplicated vaginal delivery last year in Switzerland was $4,039 and the average cost in France was $3,541, according to the International Federation of Health Plans (IFHP). That's nearly half to a third of what it cost in the U.S.

In fact, the United States is the most expensive place in the world to give birth, according to the IFHP. The reason, experts say, has to do with the way hospitals calculate our bills.

"Every time you walk into the hospital, they look at everything that happens to you and say, 'Can I bill for that?'" explained Gerard Anderson, director of the Johns Hopkins Center for Hospital Finance and Management.

"So, if you get an aspirin, they're going to bill for that. If you get seen by a specialist, they're going to bill for that."

Even when families do have insurance, their portion of the bill can be staggering.

Marguerite Duane delivered her third child, Ellis, vaginally within 12 minutes of arriving at the hospital with no medication, and stayed only one night.

"Got him out right away," the Washington, D.C., mom said. "Before they could even get my name and information to admit me, he was born."

Because her policy stated that she was responsible for 20 percent of the costs, she carefully kept track of every service she received.

Duane, a physician herself, was stunned when she saw the bill, riddled with mistakes, for $6,000.

"I was billed for two hospital nights, each was charged to $2,241.60," she said. "I was charged for medications I didn't receive, such as oxytocin. And it was $958 for his nursery stay—and he didn't spend one minute in the nursery."

Even after Duane got the delivery bill corrected—after 15 months of negotiations—the total cost of having Ellis was huge. When she added it all up—including prenatal vitamins, radiology, midwife bills, labs and hospital fees—the final tally was $9,442.41, with Duane's share a stunning $1,912 out of pocket.

Duane had tried to estimate the costs beforehand so the family could put aside money for the entire pregnancy—but that proved to be impossible.

And it's not just a case of one woman and one hospital. NBC News called a number of hospitals around the country at random and was able to get estimates for delivery costs. But, here's the daunting part: When NBC News called the same hospitals at different times, the prices quoted were different.

Worse yet, there was a huge variation in costs for the same services from hospital to hospital. Estimates for the cost of a C-section, for example, ranged from $6,000 to $28,000.

Anderson isn't surprised. You're just seeing capitalism at work, he says.

"There is no logical reason why one is more expensive," he explained. "It's because they can charge more. Nobody is asking questions, and so they do and they get away with it."

—By Linda Carroll, TODAY.com.
 
From my point of view, if one is diagnose with a critical illness and dont want to pay the bill, the best is just to wait for death. go for chemo also no guarantee can survive. Furthermore, the cure is worse than the disease. Why go through the suffering and pay heaps and even if 'cured' one cant work, be forever on medication and be a burden to the family. Also please note those so called cancer 'cures' do not take into account the relapse. If the relapse figures are taken to account, I doubt the survival rate is even 50%.

I rather give my money to my dependents than to give it to the Drs and medical companies.
 
How soon before the cost of healthcare here catches up with the US?

america is in deep shit
many of their citizens are in fact going overseas for cheaper treatment
singapore will not be like the usa
we are a model and we will keep the best model for our people
you have to play your part and co manage your health
and be part of the co payment too...no free lunch for sure
 
From my point of view, if one is diagnose with a critical illness and dont want to pay the bill, the best is just to wait for death. go for chemo also no guarantee can survive. Furthermore, the cure is worse than the disease. Why go through the suffering and pay heaps and even if 'cured' one cant work, be forever on medication and be a burden to the family. Also please note those so called cancer 'cures' do not take into account the relapse. If the relapse figures are taken to account, I doubt the survival rate is even 50%.

I rather give my money to my dependents than to give it to the Drs and medical companies.

i totally agree with you
when it is terminal and when it is time to go..just go gracefully
better get your AMD to save you all the troubles...and also to make it easier for your dependents and care giviers....
enjoy now bro...give yourself a blast now! enjoy!!!
 
bro, how many of our citizens are bankrupt because they can't afford to pay their bills? how many have to wait for one year to get their appointment to see a specialist? what is the percentage?

Why government no release data? Something to hide? One way the government hides the data is to allow sinkees to pay on installment ...so, you won't be bankrupt but you will be paying for the rest of your life.

we should appreciate the fact that our world class medical healthcare is most affordable to our citizens...and many are paying the minimum for long term chronic diseases and many are indeed grateful to our benevolent government - a compassionate, kind and generous government.
That's total bs that does not even deserve an answer.

welfarism is not the way to go - it will bankrupt the whole country. and nobody is going to work hard to pay the hefty taxes. talk about the nordic countries, nobody wants to work at all!!!!!life is just too good and taxes are just too high!!!!
Sure or not? You have been listening to the PAP bs for too long. High taxes is NOT a problem. It depends on what you get in return for the high taxes. Could you afford to have them if you have to pay for them? The Nordic countries have scored well in competitiveness, high quality of life despite the high taxes. When they are sick, they don't need to worry about the bills. When they have kids, they don't worry about savings to pay for their education or daycare. When they are unemployed, they know that they will have adequate social welfare to tide through until they get a job. So, tell me how does that bankrupt a nation? It is being paid for by taxes. Either you pay out of pocket which will cost you a bomb and you get less or you pool the resources from all to provide the services at a lower cost.

singapore 's model is the best. you are partly responsible for your own healthcare cost. no free lunch. you stay healthy, it's good for you. you fall sick and need treatment, you have to pay your share of the medical bill. free medical healthcare is the recipe for disaster.
If the sinkapore model is adopted, then you won't need insurance at all! You think people choose to get cancer?
If you buy into the bs that everyone should pay their own share of medical bill, then you should ban the sale of all types of insurance here. Because using taxes to pay for services is akin to buying insurance!
 
thank you winni.
you have your points of view.
and me old uncle have mine.
square - fair and equal...no problems.
i still believe our system is still one of the best in the world.
you go to nordic countries, nobody is interested to work.
you got everything, but nobody is going to serve you or work for you...
so they import foreigners...and then trouble starts.
you cannot have the best of both worlds. something has to give...
you have to work for your benefits. no country can sustain with welfarism. no country.
 
Hey guys I think we need to get back to the main issue, IS ONE YEAR WAIT or hell, IS SIX MONTHS WAIT ACCEPTABLE?

Please do not confuse with affordability, private or subsidized etc. Simply as a Singapore citizen who carries pink IC and maybe served NS if not at least a family member had served NS is it reasonable for theses citizens to wait more than 6 months?

ok we discussed about people who can afford are subsidized less or not at all and people who cannot afford are subsidized more but have to wait I think this is bullshit as citizens we deserve equal time waiting and I would say the weaker ones should be subsidized even more. Please I'm not talking about social welfare here I talking about citizen's rights to reasonable medical attention.
 
me uncle agrees with bro joe
one year wait is far too long - it also depends on the urgency of the case
six months wait is still too long - again, depends on the urgency of the case
three months i believe is the current waiting time for non-urgent "cold" cases
if the case is quite urgtent, one month wait to see the specialist
if the case is threatening the life of the patient , i think it is almost immediate.....

i think this waiting time is quite reasonable.
if you have some dermatitis for many years, and you want to see a dermatologist, you have to wait at least 6 months or more.
but if you have an urgen drug reaction, i think you can see the dermatologist immediately and get yourself admitted.

i feel the TS's title is very misleading and it gives a false picture of our healthcare system in singapore.
 
thank you winni.
You have your points of view.
And me old uncle have mine.
Square - fair and equal...no problems.
I still believe our system is still one of the best in the world.
You go to nordic countries, nobody is interested to work.
You got everything, but nobody is going to serve you or work for you...
So they import foreigners...and then trouble starts.
You cannot have the best of both worlds. Something has to give...
You have to work for your benefits. No country can sustain with welfarism. No country.

nordic country got their oil to pay.

Spore no oil! Money come from where?
 
hey guys i think we need to get back to the main issue, is one year wait or hell, is six months wait acceptable?

Please do not confuse with affordability, private or subsidized etc. Simply as a singapore citizen who carries pink ic and maybe served ns if not at least a family member had served ns is it reasonable for theses citizens to wait more than 6 months?

Ok we discussed about people who can afford are subsidized less or not at all and people who cannot afford are subsidized more but have to wait i think this is bullshit as citizens we deserve equal time waiting and i would say the weaker ones should be subsidized even more. Please i'm not talking about social welfare here i talking about citizen's rights to reasonable medical attention.

i suspect the letter writer isnt telling the full storey. As usual for most forum writers.
 
you never realise how good, efficient and competent our medical care is until you yourself met with a medical emergency. after the event, you will come here and kiss the ground of singapore and write tons to praise the doctors and our healthcare system. you will even come here to rebut those who run down our healthcare system here.

we have one of the best healthcare systems in the world and we have one of the best healthcare financing schemes in the world.

we are a model to the world.


Spore is number 1 right :D

Did you know that LKY & probably his whole family make trips abroad for medical treatments:rolleyes:
 
me uncle agrees with bro joe
one year wait is far too long - it also depends on the urgency of the case
six months wait is still too long - again, depends on the urgency of the case
three months i believe is the current waiting time for non-urgent "cold" cases
if the case is quite urgtent, one month wait to see the specialist
if the case is threatening the life of the patient , i think it is almost immediate.....

i think this waiting time is quite reasonable.
if you have some dermatitis for many years, and you want to see a dermatologist, you have to wait at least 6 months or more.
but if you have an urgen drug reaction, i think you can see the dermatologist immediately and get yourself admitted.

i feel the TS's title is very misleading and it gives a false picture of our healthcare system in singapore.

Le Khong Si Mi Lanjiao? Kan Ni Na Bu Chee Bye! :oIo::kma:
 
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