On a Malaysian forum, a military comparison of Singapore vs Indonesia

[GoldenPeriod]

This is silly. If it's one to one, Indonesia wins a protracted battle, but Singapore wins the initial battles quite easy.

You are truly insane. All of us have been through NS. We know what it is like. A professional army is completely different from a conscipt army. Just a bunch of 18 year old kids, frequently commanded by other 20 year old kids running around doing inane physical exercises. Look at a professional army, their mannerisms and their attitude is just totally different from ours. They live and breathe the army, it is their job, it is what they do. They are PROFESSIONALS.

 

[winnipegjets]

Australia's word was enough to bring Indonesia to it's knees and free East Timor. And these are the allies we that Singapore has.

You think Indonesia can't fight Australia and win? 100 million versus 27 million and the former will lose out?

 

[steffychun]

You think Indonesia can't fight Australia and win? 100 million versus 27 million and the former will lose out?

They just have to invade the core areas. The Kangaroos they can leave alone.

 

[greedy and cunning]

sillypoore is just TOO SMALL to fight a war.

 

[winners]

sillypoore is just TOO SMALL to fight a war.

This I do agree. In fact, this concrete jungle city has no place even to camouflage. If there is a real war, most of Sinkie Land would be flattened within 3 days of bombings and the devastation caused would be tremendous.

 

[laksaboy]

Don't forget the SAF doctrine of only engaging your enemies when you've outnumbered them 3-to-1.

Good luck with that!

Also, all the gung-ho patriotic flag-waving and chest-thumping gong kias should go ahead and attack Indonesia by themselves. Start with Batam, it's just a ferry ride away.

But if you're newly registered here to shill for your masters and stir up odious patriotism, and get Sinkies to unite behind the PAP govt against an external adversary, you're delusional.

 

[numero uno]

You are truly insane. All of us have been through NS. We know what it is like. A professional army is completely different from a conscipt army. Just a bunch of 18 year old kids, frequently commanded by other 20 year old kids running around doing inane physical exercises. Look at a professional army, their mannerisms and their attitude is just totally different from ours. They live and breathe the army, it is their job, it is what they do. They are PROFESSIONALS.

you are right. alot of these forummers post here are really moronic and immature and just show how stupid they are . i am ashamed that they are so idiotic compared to the indonesians. No wonder LKY says sinkies are daft. all the boastings here are just hot air. the indons would show you literally what hot air is. No need for indonesian army. they only need a 5 cts match stick and a few uneducated villagers to put our SAF generals to shame ,begging for mercy. just start a few palm oil plantations fires and let the haze hit till PSI 1000 and all the talk cock kings here would literally cry their eyes out and beg for mercy. i predict this year haze would be the worst ever.

 

[steffychun]

This is war MBBSLOTS.

 

[890aw]

You think Indonesia can't fight Australia and win? 100 million versus 27 million and the former will lose out?

It's not always about numbers. 1 vs 1, Singapore can easily beat Indonesia or Malaysia in a limited confrontation due to superior tech, but on a drawn out battle, Singapore loses. Just too small and underpopulated. But Australia is completely different. The quality, national spirit and will to fight of the Australians are far greater than Singaporeans and either Malays. Not to mention Australia is many times bigger than Singapore. The weakness is because the people are kind and don't like to see such a one-sided massacre. You can read about the Timor Timor incident and how Indonesia had to back out because of Australia's words alone. Also how Indonesians dare not execute certain drug traffickers from Australia due to diplomatic reasons. Singapore has alliance with powerful allies, the same allies Australia has.

But make no mistake, if an invasion did occur in Australia, I think Aussies would go berserk and no Indo or Malay will forget about it. They'd better hope the Australians withhold because I can almost guarantee that the fight wouldn't end in Australian soil. Nor would the atrocities.

 

[AttilaTheHun]

It's not always about numbers. 1 vs 1, Singapore can easily beat Indonesia or Malaysia in a limited confrontation due to superior tech...

PAP IB talking again.

 

[890aw]

You are truly insane. All of us have been through NS. We know what it is like. A professional army is completely different from a conscipt army. Just a bunch of 18 year old kids, frequently commanded by other 20 year old kids running around doing inane physical exercises. Look at a professional army, their mannerisms and their attitude is just totally different from ours. They live and breathe the army, it is their job, it is what they do. They are PROFESSIONALS.

Yes, but even the 18 year old kids are better than your average Indonesian army. What's holding them back is they've never killed people before, or they don't have the violence. Technologically and training wise, they are better. And what about the professional army of Singapore? This country works with the US alongside either Japan or Korea as a spying agency.

Singapore's greatest weakness is a lack of national identity and a disconnect between government and people. I've had friends in Australian Defense. And also Australians who've heard the Indons threats against them. They laugh off the Indonesian (and Malaysian) army or threat and non believe that a Malay force can successfully invade them without getting blown to bits. There's even a joke that hygienically challenged and disease-ridden Malays would die before even landing on Australian shore.

Not sure how big or physically fit the average Singaporean is, but people in Australia are big. Somehow even the Asian Australians are physically much more imposing than their counterparts. Personally, when I look at Malays/Indons I see people of small, inferior, weak build. There's quite a lot of the rowdy, gangster type in Australia, and I remember kicking the shiet out of some ugly m&d turds with a couple of Aussies. They were attacking a friend's girlfriend so we showed them how to behave in Australia. Remember the Cronulla Riots? That's what happens when Australians get riled up.

One Australian is equal to 1000 Malays. Much like any first or second world country really.

Of course Singaporeans won't vouch for their government and no one is going to help Singapore if it starts the war. But if Indonesia or Malaysia do decide for whatever stupid reason to conquer and create a new Majapahit type empire and slaughter your family and friends, I don't think Singaporeans would stand for it. Neither would the rest of the civilized world.

 

[890aw]

yeah you can wait and see all that happen ok? and be led by the likes of desmond kuek and kee chiu and that tambye kiah Overtime tan


I am getting the fuck out of here first.....

I think you made the right choice Singapore government is terrible and would RUN in such an instance. But what if your family and friends couldn't escape and were getting killed and raped?

I don't live in Singapore, but where I live and lived before, we wouldn't stand for innocent civilians getting killed and that's why our allies have fought countless wars in the first place. Many are quite gun happy and let's just say their view of Muslims is not flattering. The truth is Malaysia and Indonesia have to be quite careful about invading Singapore because it would displease ALOT of people who have assets and investments there.

 

[laksaboy]

One Australian is equal to 1000 Malays. Much like any first or second world country really.

You're so full of shit, newly registered shill.

 

[steffychun]

You're so full of shit, newly registered shill.

For this occasion, i agree with you.

 

[WhatsApp]

There s nothing to fight as no one will win. All neighbours should cooperate to benefit its citizens.

 

[wuqi256]

Hope that there will never be more wars.

"War does not determine who is right - only who is left." - Bertrand Russell

 

[garlic]

It doesnt really matter what the armed forces have and whether the soldiers are in tip top condition. When it comes down to it, the soldiers with the most patriotic heart, the ones which feel that they are fighting a cause, a real cause of defending "Home", will be the ones who will emerge victorious. Soldiers who go into the fight thinking that they will win coz of superior hardware and that the war will be over soon due to technological advancements on their side will get a rude awakening. Soldiers who are prepared to go the extra distance, do the extra work, make better preparations coz they want to, have to and not because there were ordered to, will win the war. The willingness to grit and grind, regardless, makes the difference and a whole army of such soldiers is terrifying.

You decide which kind of soldiers the SAF have. The last i checked, conscripts' thinking have another interpretation for the acronym S.A.F.

 

[winnipegjets]

It's not always about numbers. 1 vs 1, Singapore can easily beat Indonesia or Malaysia in a limited confrontation due to superior tech, but on a drawn out battle, Singapore loses. Just too small and underpopulated. But Australia is completely different. The quality, national spirit and will to fight of the Australians are far greater than Singaporeans and either Malays. Not to mention Australia is many times bigger than Singapore. The weakness is because the people are kind and don't like to see such a one-sided massacre. You can read about the Timor Timor incident and how Indonesia had to back out because of Australia's words alone. Also how Indonesians dare not execute certain drug traffickers from Australia due to diplomatic reasons. Singapore has alliance with powerful allies, the same allies Australia has.

But make no mistake, if an invasion did occur in Australia, I think Aussies would go berserk and no Indo or Malay will forget about it. They'd better hope the Australians withhold because I can almost guarantee that the fight wouldn't end in Australian soil. Nor would the atrocities.

Numbers do matter. 75k military can't go that far against a 800k military. You read too much into the Indon action on East Timor.
No doubt that the US is an Aussie ally but would they join in to fight the Indons? I don't think so.
Sinkapore doesn't have any real ally. We are too insignificant in the grand scheme of things. Yeah, LKY had been courting China all these years but the Chinese didn't want us without a total commitment.
So, our new defence strategy is to flood the islands with hundreds of thousands of nationals from India and China to forestall any surprise attacks.

 

[890aw]

You're so full of shit, newly registered shill.

But it's true. It's not only Australians. British, Swedes, Canadians, Americans, Germans, Mongols, Koreans, Japanese are worth countless Malays. Even the much poorer Vietnamese, Filipinos and Burmese are worth multiple Malays. There's a reason why every country that's Malay majority is a dirt house full of rubbish, filth and disease.

 

[890aw]

Numbers do matter. 75k military can't go that far against a 800k military. You read too much into the Indon action on East Timor.
No doubt that the US is an Aussie ally but would they join in to fight the Indons? I don't think so.
Sinkapore doesn't have any real ally. We are too insignificant in the grand scheme of things. Yeah, LKY had been courting China all these years but the Chinese didn't want us without a total commitment.
So, our new defence strategy is to flood the islands with hundreds of thousands of nationals from India and China to forestall any surprise attacks.

Actually the Australian military is so much more advanced than Indonesia's that they can inflict significant pain and damage. Enough that it would haunt Indonesia for generations but they wouldn't do it without good reason. Indonesia invading Australia is a very good reason and when riled they are not people you'd want to mess with. Currently, Australia does have the capacity to spy, collect intelligence and invade Indonesia but Indonesia can't boast the same. Yes, if attacked the US will defend Australia and so would most of the Western bloc who'd have enough of the Muslims. Indonesia isn't Russia, nor is it China.

Actually if Indonesia does block major shipping lanes and destroys investments and assets owned by overseas company's it will draw their ire. If they do commit atrocities while invading, no one is going to put up with it. LKY courts the worse of allies if he's been trying to court the Chinese Just focus on the allies that Singapore actually has. Singapore alongside SK actually help the US in spying so yes, that's a good evidence of an ally. Anyway, all Muslims and radicals fear Uncle Sam's words, it's like a lion amongst a pack of hyenas.