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[eErotica69]

Expert: Johor can't secede but prince can test it in court

Constitutional expert Abdul Aziz Bari insisted that states, including Johor, cannot secede from the Federation of Malaysia.

He said this in response to Johor crown prince Tunku Ismail Sultan Ibrahim (photo) who in an interview with sports publication Fourth Official claimed the state can secede if the terms set out when it joined the federation was breached.

"The prince should not view the agreement between Johor and other states as private agreements between individuals.

"Some have said there is a right to enter federation but unfortunately the same cannot be said about leaving.

"In any case the prince can put up a claim in the court and see what the judges have to say about it rather than barking the one and same thing again and again," said Aziz who is attached to Universiti Selangor (Unisel).

He added that the only way for a state to exit the federation is through expulsion in Parliament.

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Aziz also indicated that the prince may be subjected to the Sedition Act if he called for secession.

"I am not particularly fond of sedition but if one keeps talking about secession then the police better do something about it.

"Under the constitution there is a right to equality and certain Sabahans and Sarawakians have incurred the wrath of the law for saying the same thing," said Aziz (photo).

He said the Johor crown prince should be mindful of the provision of both the federal and state constitutions, pointing out that some states have sacrificed more or had a stronger claim to more rights.

"He must be aware that the so-called rights of Johor are also available to other states; especially Sabah and Sarawak which have bigger rights and autonomy.

"Selangor and Sabah have given more; the former gave KL and Putrajaya while Sabah surrendered Labuan," he said.
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[Narong Wongwan]

Re: Now UMNO's dog "expert" says that Johor can't secede - Tonychat (aka KopiMeng) ha

I'll let to see them try to arrest the prince on sedition.

 

[lend me your wife]

Re: Now UMNO's dog "expert" says that Johor can't secede - Tonychat (aka KopiMeng) ha

Johore Boleh! As long as they invite 50,000 ISIS warriors to fight MAF civil war. Bomb Najib and Putra Jaya upside down. I don't see any problem.

 

[apogee]

Re: Now UMNO's dog "expert" says that Johor can't secede - Tonychat (aka KopiMeng) ha

This expert is talking rubbish.

Johor just need a referendum. Scotland can secede from UK - why can't Johor from Malaysia. Singapore (heng ah) also secede from Malaysia.

 

[eErotica69]

Re: Now UMNO's dog "expert" says that Johor can't secede - Tonychat (aka KopiMeng) ha

This expert is talking rubbish.

Johor just need a referendum. Scotland can secede from UK - why can't Johor from Malaysia. Singapore (heng ah) also secede from Malaysia.

Do you know that Scotland is a country by herself? Although Scotland is part of the UK.

Maybe Quebec and Cananda is a better example.

 

[syed putra]

Re: Now UMNO's dog "expert" says that Johor can't secede - Tonychat (aka KopiMeng) ha

This expert is talking rubbish.

Johor just need a referendum. Scotland can secede from UK - why can't Johor from Malaysia. Singapore (heng ah) also secede from Malaysia.

Singapore was kicked out.

 

[syed putra]

Re: Now UMNO's dog "expert" says that Johor can't secede - Tonychat (aka KopiMeng) ha

It makes sense for johore to secede. Putrajaya is too centralised under Dr M and even more now under nsjib. All taxes collected eventually spent in klang valley neglecting other states. JB can develop into a huge megapolis if it stand on its own.

 

[Hans168]

Re: Now UMNO's dog "expert" says that Johor can't secede - Tonychat (aka KopiMeng) ha

Singapore was kicked out.

nah......... we kick TAR in his balss & he had to let go else cannot pee forever

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

Re: Now UMNO's dog "expert" says that Johor can't secede - Tonychat (aka KopiMeng) ha

This expert is talking rubbish.

Johor just need a referendum. Scotland can secede from UK - why can't Johor from Malaysia. Singapore (heng ah) also secede from Malaysia.

SG didn't secede voluntarily she was kicked out by tungku.

 

[eErotica69]

Re: Now UMNO's dog "expert" says that Johor can't secede - Tonychat (aka KopiMeng) ha

SG didn't secede voluntarily she was kicked out by tungku.

Thanks to the Tengku, we are out of matland!

 

[Scrooball (clone)]

Re: Now UMNO's dog "expert" says that Johor can't secede - Tonychat (aka KopiMeng) ha

These mats can talk cock v well. But when come to action, all no balls.

A good example is Dr Mad. U think he got balls? Why don't we see him lead a riot against Najib?

 

[Froggy]

Re: Now UMNO's dog "expert" says that Johor can't secede - Tonychat (aka KopiMeng) ha

Do you know that Scotland is a country by herself? Although Scotland is part of the UK.

Maybe Quebec and Cananda is a better example.

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[aerobwala]

Re: Now UMNO's dog "expert" says that Johor can't secede - Tonychat (aka KopiMeng) ha


After Johor prince’s comments, lawyers say Constitution silent on secession

By By JULIA CHAN | The Malay Mail Online


KUALA LUMPUR, October 19, 2015 — The Federal Constitution does not provide for the secession of any state from Malaysia but legal experts are torn over what this means, following a Johor royal’s suggestion that the state’s place in the federation was not immutable.

Constitutional law practitioner New Sin Yew also stressed that the Federal Constitution does not specifically address the topic of secession one way or another, and that constitutional amendments were not impossible.

“Secession (in this case) is more political than legal,” he told Malay Mail Online when asked to comment on Johor crown prince Tunku Ismail Ibrahim’s recent remarks about the state’s right to secede from Malaysia.

“Because it is silent in the Federal Constitution, unlike in Sabah where it specifically mentions in the Malaysia Agreement that it (the state) cannot secede,” he said, referring to the 20-point memorandum signed between Malaya and Sabah for the formation of Malaysia in 1963.

The Johor crown prince had during an interview with local football portal FourthOfficial this week said that the state could choose to secede if it finds a breach to the terms agreed upon its membership of the Federation of Malaysia.

Tunku Ismail also said that as the future Sultan of Johor, his responsibilities will always go to the state first and its people before Malaysia.

This is not the first time a member of the Johor royal family has mentioned secession, a topic that is classification as seditious was reinforced with recent amendments to the Sedition Act 1948.

Earlier this year, Tunku Ismail’s younger brother, Tunku Idris Sultan Ibrahim, caused controversy on social media when he posted a reminder that the Johor government had joined the Malay federation in 1946 on several conditions and that any violation of these meant that Johor could secede from Malaysia.

He had posted on his Instagram account what appeared to be an image of the original federal-state agreement in 1946 that listed the conditions as: making Islam the religion of Johor; the Johor government’s absolute right over water and land issues; the Johor royal house’s right to have its own armed forces; and that the Johor state constitution may not be touched by the federation.
It is unclear what prompted the Johor prince to make the post.

Weighing in on Tunku Ismail’s latest comments, constitutional lawyer Nizam Bashir echoed New’s point that there was no explicit mention of secession in the Constitution.

He said, however, that Singapore’s expulsion in 1965, just two years after Malaysia was formed, meant that the topic of member states separating from the federation was undefined.

Singapore was ejected by an Act of Parliament after 126 Malaysian lawmakers voted unanimously in favour of its removal from the federation.

“The decision to expel Singapore stands as a curious counterpoint to the idea that the Federation of Malaysia is indissoluble.

“There may also be other historical documents which have a bearing on the issue — specifically historical documents peculiar to the state in question such as the Federation of Malaya Order-in-Council, 1948,” said Nizam, referring to the governing instrument of Malaysia before independence in 1957.

The lawyer added, however, that the government would do best to look into Tunku Ismail’s reasons for mentioning secession.

“Either way, what is more crucial is for the federal government to appreciate the underlying reasons for His Highness' remarks and address them as best as they can,” he said.

Ossam ...

When the Federal Leaders are only concerned of making themselves rich at the expense of the Rakyat, there are bound to be repercussions and consequences.

Najib has gone too far with efforts to cover-up the RM 2.6 billion scandal and the 1MDB scandal. The Scandals themselves are a big concern for the the country.

To top that, Najib had taken actions to cover-up the scandals which he is directly involved and liable.

Najib should have take leave to allow the investigation to be carried without fear or favour.

Now all the enforcement agencies's integrity has been compromised including Bank Negara, Police, MACC, PAC and the AG Office.

Najib must be removed to restore the integrity and confidence of these agencies.

Voice ...

I think Johor should be an independent country. They are rich, richer than most Malaysian states. They have a different identity in the monarchy. Notice the Johor sultan is only one that does not wear the traditional headgear that other M'sian sultans wear? They have a closer affinity to Singapore than other M'sian states. And as seen from the Singapore expulsion, it can be a better country on its own that being a state in the Federation where the politicians are corrupt and robbing the country. The country is going downhill. Better to evict than go down with it.

Sum Siew ...

Think, Kelantan also should leave to be independent State to live on its own - it is a trouble maker to disrupt the peace, unity and stability of whole Malaysia by insisting to implement the Hudud.

Likewise to Sabah & Sawarak since their majority faiths are the Christianity and their indigenous people are quite 'different' from the ones in West Malaysia.

Pepe ...

Imagine that Johore leaves the Malay Federation and decide to join Singapore to become the United States of Sinjohor (derived from Sijori growth triangle?) with Singapore its capital. It could be a powerful country in Southeast Asia. Invariably the contiguous small non-royal state like Malacca would join the southern nation.