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New Greece austerity move prompts strikes and protests

neddy said:
Sure there is no demographic impact on getting debts continuously internally financed?

Why is there not enough money for retirement? CPF Interest Rate vs Inflation? CPF & Property financing?

I believe the issue of national pride has to do with the emergence of the sovereign states, esp in the last century - Nothing we can do about it.

I have a 2 cent naive dream

Taking OZ as example.
Singapore SWF comes from the people's CPF money - If only there is a way - eg Set up CPF Investment Pte Ltd buying up Australian farmland for Singapore's food security & for investment, I think the Aussies will make less of a fuss than what China state enterprises are experiencing in buying up OZ farmland. India doing the same with African farms.

Also If the reserve have been spent acquiring the commodities that Singapore can sell later instead of propping up UBS. Remember, the demographics + population growth pay a part in commodity price increases for the next few decades.

Look. Japan has been a big player in Aussie agriculture, buying up crops from wheat to ginger. Australia even come out with special wheat for their premium soba noodle a few years back. Right? Something for the Singapore govt to do rather than letting the angmos and UBS erode the Singapore reserves.

Remember history - Japan attacked Singapore in WWII over the commodities trade embargoes by the angmos. :D

Wasn't commodities something that we had plans to invest in? What happened to that?
 
Char_Azn said:
I think it was proposed by the guy who was suppose to take over TH, he got sacked

Was that the real reason? What we heard from the MSM was that there were some differences on opinion. That's all.
 
Was that the real reason? What we heard from the MSM was that there were some differences on opinion. That's all.

The "difference in opinion" is one side want to go to commodities, the other side said No
 
Greece in meltdown: Government on edge of collapse amid fears of coup as Europe teeters on the brink of financial disaster

Europe was teetering on the edge of disaster last night as fears grew that the Greek government is about to collapse.

Markets nosedived around the world, with billions wiped off the value of Britain’s leading firms, as Athens announced extraordinary plans to sack its military leaders amid rampant speculation that it was trying to head off a coup d’etat.

‘It’s all over. The government is about to collapse,’ said one Greek official. Greece’s former deputy finance minister Petros Doukas agreed: ‘The **** has hit the fan.’

Economists warned that if Greece rejects the debt deal hammered out only last week, which would entail years of austerity, the entire future of the single currency is in peril.

They predicted that Italy, Spain and Portugal are likely to be plunged into a profound economic crisis because of their failure to get to grips with their towering debts.Greek ministers this morning voted unanimously for a referendum on the bailout deal 'as soon as possible', backing the proposal made by prime minister George Papandreou as he fought to save his own skin.

This would be an effective vote on whether or not Greece should remain in the straitjacket of the single currency and accept years of spending cuts and tax rises, or simply refuse to pay what it owes and crash out of the euro.

The move that has horrified other European leaders, with France and Germany meeting Greek officials in Cannes for crisis talks today, ahead of a G20 summit on which the European economy now appears to hinge.
Shock: Greek Prime Minister George Papandreou has taken many by surprise with his announcement of a referendum on austerity measures

Last night the referendum appeared dead in the water as his colleagues moved against the Greek leader, threatening a snap election that he looked certain to lose.

But the opposition is, if anything, more hostile to the bailout and austerity package than Mr Papandreou, and it would demand an even bigger write-down of the nation’s debts than the 50 per cent agreed with the EU and International Monetary Fund.

The sense of crisis in Athens – ruled by a military junta as recently as 1974 – was compounded by an unexpected announcement that Mr Papandreou intends to dismiss the chief of the defence staff and the heads of the army, navy and air force.

That raised speculation about the possibility of a military coup in Greece, an outcome said to have been deemed possible in a secret assessment by the CIA.

Greek-Cypriot Nobel economics laureate Professor Christopher Pissarides, of the London School of Economics, said: ‘Before 1974, when politicians were arguing and fighting, the military came in and said, “Come on now, let’s stop, there’s military rule until you sort it out”.

‘Since 1974, of course, democracy has worked, but it’s worrying when you have news about armed officers being replaced right in the middle of an economic crisis.’

The Foreign Office in London played down the prospect of a military takeover, saying officials in Athens were insisting that the Government had planned for some time to clear out its top brass.



But one British diplomatic source said: ‘Clearly with everyone talking about the country being in turmoil, the timing is odd.’

The most likely scenario is that the government will press ahead with a vote of confidence on Friday, which it looks likely to lose. An interim government will then be appointed before a snap election.

Last night a Greek government spokesman said Mr Papandreou had told the Cabinet he would hold a referendum seeking approval of the bailout deal come what may, and was determined to win Friday’s vote of confidence.

French President Nicolas Sarkozy said the proposal for a referendum had ‘surprised all of Europe’ and the hard-fought European bailout plan for Greece was the ‘only way possible’ to resolve that nation’s debt crisis.

Greece is effectively bankrupt and cannot pay off its debts, even with the tough austerity measures that have been forced upon it.

After fierce resistance, private banks and other investors agreed at a crunch summit in Brussels last week to write off 50 per cent of what its government owes.

The agreement was aimed at cutting Greek debt from 160 per cent of its earnings to 120 per cent by 2020. Without action, it would have ballooned to 180 per cent.

But the Greek people are furious at being asked to endure years of spending cuts and tax rises. There are increasing calls for the country to leave the euro, refuse to pay its way and reinstate the drachma.

In the Commons, Chancellor George Osborne said there was ‘no doubt’ that Greece’s decision to announce a referendum, slated to take place in January, had added to ‘instability and uncertainty’ in the eurozone.

He added: ‘Now ultimately it’s up to the Greek people and the Greek political system to decide how they make their decisions, but I would say it is extremely important for the eurozone to implement the package that they agreed last week, that is what I said was crucial at the time, that’s what they all said was crucial at the time and I think we need to get on with it sooner rather than later.’

Labour peer Lord Soley said: ‘When the history of this period is written it may well be that the Greek decision will be seen as the economic equivalent of the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand at Sarajevo in 1914. It will trigger events way beyond the borders of Greece or even Europe.’

Stock markets around the world crumbled yesterday as the eurozone lurched towards financial catastrophe. The FTSE 100 index fell more than two per cent in London – down 122.65 to 5421.57 – wiping £32billion off the value of Britain’s blue chip firms.

But there were far more punishing losses on the Continent, with shares in Italy and Greece down nearly seven per cent on a day of carnage on the financial markets. The Paris stock market lost 5.38 per cent, Frankfurt tumbled five per cent and the euro fell around 1.5 per cent against the U.S. dollar.

Shares in French banks were the worst hit on fears over their exposure to Greek debt. If Athens defaults, lenders in France look set to bear the greatest losses. One, Societe Generale, fell more than 16 per cent.

British banks did not escape the bloodbath, with Barclays losing 9.5 per cent of its value and state-controlled Royal Bank of Scotland down eight per cent.

Borrowing costs in Italy soared again yesterday as the crisis threatened to spread from Athens to Rome.

Lord Adair Turner, head of the UK’s Financial Services Authority, warned that Italy’s towering debts of 120 per cent of GDP present a much bigger threat to Britain’s banks than Greece.




WHY THE GREEKS WOULD SAY 'NO' TO EUROZONE DEAL

Income tax threshold would be lowered from €12,000 (£10,300) to €5,000 (£4,300)
Retirement age would be raised from 61 to 65
VAT would rise from 19 to 23 per cent
Higher property taxes
Monthly pensions above €1,000 (£860) would be cut by 20 per cent
Excise on fuel, cigarettes and alcohol would rise by a third
To qualify for a full pension people would be required to complete 40 years work
Retirees aged under 55 would lose 40 per cent of their pensions over €1,000 (£860)
Public sector wages would be cut by 20 per cent
Employees of state-owned enterprises would have their wages cut by 30 per cent
A cap would be introduced on wages and bonuses
30,000 civil servants would be suspended on partial pay
All temporary contracts for public sector workers would be terminated.
Just one in 10 civil servants retiring this year would be replaced
New levies on household incomes of between one and five per cent
 
Goddamn spartan going to bring the whole EU down

Greek cabinet backs George Papandreou's referendum planComments (365) The Greek prime minister says a referendum will send a clear message He told an emergency cabinet meeting a referendum, possibly in December, would offer "a clear mandate" for austerity measures demanded by eurozone partners.

Stock markets recorded big drops amid shocked reactions in eurozone capitals to the referendum announcement.

Mr Papandreou is due to meet European leaders in France on Wednesday.

In a cabinet meeting lasting late into Tuesday night, Mr Papandreou told ministers the government needed the consent of the Greek people.

In a statement released by his office, he said: "The referendum will be a clear mandate and a clear message in and outside Greece on our European course and participation in the euro."

Mr Papandreou also said a possible alternative of snap elections would risk Greece defaulting on its debt.

The Greek government faces a crucial confidence vote in parliament on Friday.

One MP from the governing Pasok party has resigned, cutting Mr Papandreou's parliamentary majority to two - and six other leading party members have called on him to resign.
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There is opposition within Mr Papandreou's Pasok party to his decision to hold a referendum, even though the cabinet expressed unanimous support. So there are fears that if Friday's confidence vote does not go as planned, then potentially this government could fall even before a referendum is held.

This was an apparently personal decision to call it. What seems to be the case is Mr Papandreou wants to take the responsibility for the austerity measures away from his shoulders and put it on the shoulders of the Greek people, to say: I need the support of the Greek people to push through this austerity drive, to continue to receive bailout money.

But he is facing a massive hurdle in trying to win support for this. He is playing a very dangerous game, and so, he has now thrown Greece into a political crisis to add to its financial woes.
Following the seven-hour meeting, government spokesman Elias Mossialos said: "The cabinet expressed its support."

"The referendum will take place as soon as possible, right after the basics of the bailout deal are formulated," he added.

Speaking on state television on Monday, interior minister Haris Kastanidis said there was a possibility the referendum could be held "within December", Reuters reported.

Monday's referendum announcement led to sharp falls on world markets on Tuesday. Asian markets also continued their slide on Wednesday.

The planned referendum threatens to unravel a deal reached at a EU summit last week aimed at resolving the euro debt crisis.

Leaders agreed on a 100bn-euro loan (£86bn; $140bn) to Athens and a 50% debt write-off.

But in return, Greece must make deep cuts in public spending, slashing pensions and wages and making thousands of civil servants redundant.

There have widespread protests in Greece against the measures.

Three-way talks

On Tuesday President Nicolas Sarkozy of France said Mr Papandreou's decision "surprised all of Europe".

The French and German governments said they wanted "full implementation" of the agreement "in the quickest time-frame".

Mr Papandreou is to hold hastily arranged talks on Wednesday with Mr Sarkozy and German Chancellor Angela Merkel, on the sidelines of a G20 summit in France.



"France and Germany are convinced that this agreement will allow Greece to return to sustainable growth," they said.

Last week's marathon EU summit was intended to rescue Greece and bringing the 17-nation eurozone back from the brink of disaster.

Eurozone chief Jean-Claude Juncker said if a referendum rejected the bailout, it could mean bankruptcy for Greece.

"It will depend on the manner in which the question will be exactly formulated and on what the Greeks exactly vote on," he said.

Confidence vote

Some Greek government ministers had been unaware of the referendum plan until it was announced.

The announcement even took Greece's Finance Minister Evangelos Venizelos by surprise, Greek media reported.

One MP from the governing Pasok party has resigned, cutting Mr Papandreou's parliamentary majority to two ahead of Friday's confidence vote.

The Greek opposition has called for early elections, saying the referendum jeopardises Greece's EU membership.

Antonis Samaras, leader of the main opposition New Democrats, said: "In order to save himself, Mr Papandreou has posed a dilemma of blackmail that puts our future and our position in Europe in danger
 
Re: Goddamn spartan going to bring the whole EU down

Corrupt nation holding a gun to the EU's head

At the end of last week, Europe’s leaders breathed a collective sigh of relief. After months of fraught negotiations, they had finally concluded a comprehensive deal which, they proclaimed, would save the single currency.

Now, in place of the promised stability, we have been plunged into yet another crisis with the reckless decision of the Greek government to call for a public referendum for its citizens on whether it should accept the Brussels rescue package.

Already the markets, including the FTSE 100 in London, have been badly shaken by the Greek move. And within Greece itself, a mood of panic and turmoil now prevails. If the Prime Minister, George Papandreou, hoped to unite both his ruling socialist PASOK party and the Greek people with his referendum call, his move has backfired badly.
Traders at the New York Stock Exchange watch as stocks fall sharply yesterday
One of his own party’s MPs has already resigned, cutting the Parliamentary majority to just two, while six other leading PASOK figures have demanded that Papandreou resign. Cranking up the pressure, the New Democrats, who make up the official opposition, have demanded an early general election.

Antonis Samaras, the leader of the New Democrats, yesterday expressed his outrage at how Papandreou has ‘put our future and our position in Europe in danger’. There have even been dark rumours that a military coup might be mounted against the politicians – similar to the coup in 1967 which led to the notorious ‘Regime of the Colonels’ which lasted until 1974.

What makes the move by Papandreou even more extraordinary is that he must have been plotting this decision on the referendum even as he was appearing to sign up to the deal last week.

It may be that Papandreou's decision is just a negotiating ploy to wrangle more money out of the EU
It may be that Papandreou’s decision is just a negotiating ploy to wrangle more money out of the EU. Recognising that Brussels is terrified of a Greek default, which could bring about the collapse of the entire eurozone, he could now be exploiting popular anger in Greece at the imposition of austerity measures to win an ever bigger bailout and an even greater debt write-off by the foreign banks.

Effectively, that would mean he was putting a gun to the head of the EU to win more cash.

The problem is that even if his Government survives and manages to hold the referendum, it is by no means clear what the result will be.

Judging by the almost daily scenes of protest on the streets of Athens, it might be presumed that there is huge groundswell of opinion against the EU. And increasingly those protesters see the Greeks as the victims of a German autocracy, forced to adopt ever harsher austerity measures just to satisfy the bullies in Berlin.

Certainly, current opinion polls show that around 60 per cent of the Greek electorate is opposed to last week’s deal, easily enough to give a decisive majority to a No vote.

If Greece does vote No and effectively defaults on its debts, then the country will have to leave the euro. In that case, there will be another financial crisis as banks across Europe slide towards insolvency and the whole single currency may start to unravel as Portugal, Ireland and Italy also come under intense pressure from the money markets.

More...RIGHTMINDS: Greeks should reject the EU bailout and resign from the eurozone
RIGHTMINDS: Festering anger, Nazi war crimes and the £60bn the Greeks believe the Germans owe them

Could the Greeks really contemplate voting against the bail-out package and bringing ruin down on their own country? Don’t rule it out. Greece has always had a siege mentality. It is very different from the rest of the EU. It was part of the Ottoman Empire for centuries before it became an independent country in the early 19th century, and psychologically is as much a part of Turkey and the Middle East as it is of Europe. It has few shared traditions with Western Europe.

Greeks have never minded defaulting on their debts. The country defaulted in 1826, 1843, 1860 and 1893. It has been in default for half of its existence. Only two countries in the world have a worse record – Honduras and Ecuador.

On the wider question of membership of the single currency and the EU, opinion in Greece is much less antagonistic towards Brussels, another opinion poll showing that 58 per cent of Greeks are in favour of remaining within the euro.

We should hardly be surprised, given how well Greece has done out of the EU, which it joined in 1981, and the single currency.

The country is nothing like the advanced societies of northern Europe. It has little industry and much of the population is poor. Membership of the EU has meant not only lavish subsidies for public services, but also low interest rates. Before joining the single currency, Greece’s interest rates were generally above 10 per cent. But, tied to Germany’s, they fell to just 1.5 per cent.

Able to borrow money far more cheaply than before, the Greek government showed breathtaking irresponsibility, and money has been squandered on an epic scale, most of it on the massive state machine.

Risk: If Greece does somehow remain in the euro, the endless cycle of debt, crisis, blackmail and turmoil will continue
Greece has an absurdly large public sector, filled with employees who enjoy a far higher standard of living than those in the private sector. Many civil servants can retire at 49 on excellent pensions. An unmarried daughter of a state official can inherit his pension when he dies, which both deters marriage and increases public debts. Corruption, waste and mismanagement have been rampant, while paying taxes has been almost a voluntary activity.

Last year, for instance, 34 doctors in Athens claimed to earn less than £9,000 a year, which meant they were exempt from any tax. One dentist reported an annual income of £250.

Greece cannot go on like this. For too long, encouraged by misguided and self-interested politicians, the EU’s largesse and excessive credit from foreign banks, the country has lived far beyond its means. Whatever happens next, whether it be a general election or a referendum, both Greece and Europe are about to pay a terrible price for this folly.

If Greece does somehow remain in the euro, either through a Yes vote or a change of government, the endless cycle of debt, crisis, blackmail and turmoil will continue. There is no easy way out of this mess, one which only emphasises how foolish Brussels was to allow this backward, irresponsible and corrupt nation to the join the eurozone in the first place.

Matthew Lynn is the author of Bust: Greece, the Euro and the Sovereign Debt Crisis
 
singveld said:
Corrupt nation holding a gun to the EU's head

At the end of last week, Europe’s leaders breathed a collective sigh of relief. After months of fraught negotiations, they had finally concluded a comprehensive deal which, they proclaimed, would save the single currency.

Now, in place of the promised stability, we have been plunged into yet another crisis with the reckless decision of the Greek government to call for a public referendum for its citizens on whether it should accept the Brussels rescue.

Effectively, that would mean he was putting a gun to the head of the EU to win more cash.
Judging by the almost daily scenes of protest on the streets of Athens, it might be presumed that there is huge groundswell of opinion against the EU. And increasingly those protesters see the Greeks as the victims of a German autocracy, forced to adopt ever harsher austerity measures just to satisfy the bullies in Berlin.

Certainly, current opinion polls show that around 60 per cent of the Greek electorate is opposed to last week’s deal, easily enough to give a decisive majority to a No

Could the Greeks really contemplate voting against the bail-out package and bringing ruin down on their own country? Don’t rule it out. Greece has always had a siege mentality.

Greeks have never minded defaulting on their debts. The country defaulted in 1826, 1843, 1860 and 1893. It has been in default for half of its existence.

Matthew Lynn is the author of Bust: Greece, the Euro and the Sovereign Debt Crisis

Greek is one of the happiest people in the world. They are not worried of anything. I say kick them out of the EU because they will not repay their debt. It will be putting good money after bad money. Let those banks fall, those which have bought into Greek bonds, for the same argument put up by critics to the rescue package to save the "cannot be allowed to fail" banks because the money is needed for other countries more deserving of this help - Italy, Spain, Portugal.
 
Greek is one of the happiest people in the world. They are not worried of anything. I say kick them out of the EU because they will not repay their debt. It will be putting good money after bad money. Let those banks fall, those which have bought into Greek bonds, for the same argument put up by critics to the rescue package to save the "cannot be allowed to fail" banks because the money is needed for other countries more deserving of this help - Italy, Spain, Portugal.

problem are the brussel elite, those who let greece enter euro, want greece to stay in EU and Euro, the problem is that when they created euro, there is no plan for any countries to leave euro.
 
Paul Mason Economics editor, Newsnight "Anecdotal evidence suggests that the Greek elite is buying up property in London just as fast as they can find berths in Poole for their yachts. They are voting with their spinnakers, on the basis that the game is up. In any future Greece on offer they will have to start paying taxes and they do not want to."
 
Zac Goldsmith MP, Conservative Party

Greeks have understood the adage; owe the banks a million, and you're in real trouble. Owe them 250bn, and they're in real trouble.
 
singveld said:
Zac Goldsmith MP, Conservative Party

Greeks have understood the adage; owe the banks a million, and you're in real trouble. Owe them 250bn, and they're in real trouble.

The smartest people now in Europe, other than the Greeks, are the Brits. They are not with the Euro.
 
singveld said:
problem are the brussel elite, those who let greece enter euro, want greece to stay in EU and Euro, the problem is that when they created euro, there is no plan for any countries to leave euro.

Now France and Germany have given Greece the ultimatum. To stay or leave the Euro, it is their own decision.
 
Europe Should Let Greece Default
Aristotle would be proud.

The philosopher of Greek drama divided the works of theater into tragedy and comedy, never the twain to meet. But his fellow countrymen are going one better. They are currently staging a tragedy that is also a farce.

Not only did Prime Minister George Papandreou call for a "referendum" on the latest European bailout, but it turns out he didn't bother telling his own finance minister first.

Ha-ha!

Maybe Aristotle's famous, long-lost book on comedy has finally turned up in the government archives, and Papandreou is putting on a one-man recital.

The situation remains fluid -- or, to be more accurate, chaotic.

But you have to wonder why the Europeans don't just kick these clowns to the curb. Europe doesn't need Greece. It gets no benefit from having Greece in the euro. Greece's entire debts come to $366 billion. That's 4% of the gross domestic product of the euro zone. Greece's GDP is less than 2%. More money was "lost" during yesterday's stock-market tumble than in a massive write-off. Market Snapshot: U.S. stocks rattled by Greek bailout move.

Europe could eject the Greeks, write off most of the debt, monetize the losses and move on. Guarantee bank depositors, but let the stockholders, bondholders and credit-default counterparties take their losses.

Let them eat baklava!

If Greece is ejected from the euro and launches a new drachma, Greek pastries, olive oil, real estate, island vacations and ouzo will quickly become a bargain again.

Meanwhile, the crisis, as ever, makes us look for opportunities. Michael Gayed, chief investment strategist at Pension Partners, an investment advisory firm with $150 million under management, draws my attention to two things. When the crisis blew up Monday, small-cap stocks initially held up better than large caps. And inflation-protected Treasury bonds held up compared with nominals.

His take? The "risk on" trade remains intact. The rally that began at the start of last month remains in force, and we are heading for a big fourth-quarter rally. "The market is acting like it wants to go up," Gayed said.

I mention Gayed because he accurately called the summer slump and the rally that followed. Of course, that doesn't mean he'll be right this time. Read the latest MarketWatch commentary by Michael A. Gayed.

If you're hugely bullish, you'd buy small caps for a trade. My take? I think high-quality large caps already offered a better deal for investors than small caps.

This is not merely my opinion but that of a number of shrewd and independent money managers, including the likes of Jeremy Grantham and Charles de Vaulx. ('This is no market for young men,' Jeremy Grantham told MarketWatch in September.)

If they're right, then selloffs are a chance to load up on some of the higher-quality large cap stocks, here and in Europe.
 
PLs dun go EURO, i miss EURO

Greece default will put Euro in peril

The first bombshell was dropped by the Greek Prime Minister. Now EU leaders have reciprocated with a nuke drop of their own. In a hastily convened meeting between German chancellor Angela Merkel, French President Nicolas Sarkozy and Greek Prime Minister George Papandreou the EU leaders made it clear that the referendum called by Papandreou is a referendum of Greece continuing with the EU.

Should the voters respond with a ‘No’ to the bailout package, and the Greece’s leaders were to heed that call, EU will be obliged to throw Greece out of the club and stop all payments of the bailout money already promised.

Furthermore, the two leaders have said that Greece will not get the next tranche of the bailout fund until the referendum took place and ended with a ‘yes’. The $8 billion fund which was supposed to be given to Greece is vital for its continued functioning.

Sarkozy said that if Greece decided to default, it will not get a “single cent”. The unusually tough language underscores the deep anger that European leaders are feeling towards Greece and in particular towards PM Papandreou.

Last night the two leaders acknowledged that the crisis may end in Greece leaving the European Union, a prospect that was unthinkable until now. There is also a sense that EU leaders have run out of options.
Papandreou does have a solid reason for asking for a referendum. The cuts and austerity measures that the bailout requires are deeply unpopular. Protesters have been clashing with police in Athens over it. Further cuts and more austerity will only exacerbate the situation. However, the greeks do not seem to want the second option either; and default and facing up to the consequences. Papandreou wants them to choose either of the two bad options and live with it.

However sound the idea maybe in theory, Papandreou government might fall this week over it. The government faces a confidence vote which it likely would lose. The scary alternative is that Greece would hold the referendum and opt to go out of the Eurozone. Then of course, the pressure of the default will move on to Spain and Italy, and were these two to collapse then all the funds in Europe will not be able to bail these two countries out.

It would be bye bye to euro.
 
Re: PLs dun go EURO, i miss EURO

I have been following up on this too. The G20 is still on but I have a feeling the world as we know it will change very soon. There has been many news about the impending attack on Iran by Israel, UK and the US.
 
Re: PLs dun go EURO, i miss EURO

I have been following up on this too. The G20 is still on but I have a feeling the world as we know it will change very soon. There has been many news about the impending attack on Iran by Israel, UK and the US.

The US military machine has grown too huge for politicians to handle post 9-11. the idea that they will go quietly and guard the US borders is luffable. Hopefully Obama stays on and we get another 4 years of peace. the rest of the fanatic reps other then Ron Paul will bring armageddon.
cameron will not and can't act.. his constituent wun allow him too...
i have always doubt Israel's real intention in anything and everything. The only reason why they haven't occupied the whole middle east is becoz they are just too smart to do so.
 
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Re: PLs dun go EURO, i miss EURO

The EU will never fall.. the cost of restructing EU without Greece is bigger to EU, US and China than EU kickin out Greece, Italy and Spain all at the same time. Whoever inherits Greece will be briefed about that and make a U-turn on policy whatever their ideals are. My $0.02 worth.
 
TheFootballer said:
The EU will never fall.. the cost of restructing EU without Greece is bigger to EU, US and China than EU kickin out Greece, Italy and Spain all at the same time. Whoever inherits Greece will be briefed about that and make a U-turn on policy whatever their ideals are. My $0.02 worth.

There is a change in the mentality of Euro leaders. It is better to have Greece out than in. It will be expensive in the short term. But at least biting the bullet stops further erosion to the Euro leaving it with some reserves to fix the problems in other countries with better prospectus of resolving their problems. The problem is how to get Greece out of the Euro zone.
 
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