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Leong Sze Hian debunks PL Lee's comments on public housing

Confuseous

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I refer to the article “PM Lee: Many housing problems due to family breakups” (TR Emeritus, Oct 25).

It states that “A fair share were residents with housing problems. But the root cause is family breakups”

Are “Many housing problems due to family breakups” or the other way round – Family breakups due to housing problems?

HDB affordability?

The persistent argument that HDB flats are affordable, because most flat owners do not use more than 30 per cent of their income to service their mortgage, may be fundamentally flawed as only those who can afford it will buy the flats. Those who cannot may already have given up their flats.

The fact that median and lower incomes have been lagging further behind, relative to HDB prices as a multiple of income, may be the best indicator of affordability.

Which is the only country in the world that allows public housing prices to increase by about five times more than median wage increase?

Singapore – The real median wage only increased by about 1.1 per cent over the last 10 years or so.

Passing the buck to banks?

Why were banks allowed to offer HDB housing loans from 1 January, 2003?

One possible reason perhaps, may be that at its historical peak, more than 40,000 HDB households were in arrears over three months (30,770 HDB loans were in arrears in September 2009, excluding HDB bank loans)..


I understand that the last reported statistic on HDB loans in arrears was 28,000 in 2010, which was about seven per cent of HDB loans.

HDB annual reports used to have a statistic on the number of HDB households given financial assistance, but this has disappeared for many years.

The last time that “applications for financial assistance approved” statistics were published was the HDB’s 2004/2005 annual report.

The figure was 28,386 and 39,308 for FY2004 and 2003, respectively.

Of course, it may also have been helpful then, to publish the statistics on the number of applications that were not approved.

No HDB bank loans’ delinquency statistics?

Since 1 January 2003, the HDB delinquency statistics have increasingly become more “incomplete”, as there are no publicly available statistics on HDB bank loans in arrears or foreclosures. HDB loans (not HDB bank loans) are only occasionally and rarely disclosed when typically a question was asked in Parliament.

The HDB has said that it does not have the statistics on HDB bank loans in arrears or foreclosures.

However, I understand the last time that HDB bank loans ‘in arrears’ statistics were disclosed, the figure was seven per cent (Feb 2007, Parliamentary debate).

So, if HDB bank loan arrears’ statistics could be disclosed in 2007, why did the HDB say subsequently, that it does not have the statistics on HDB bank loans in arrears or foreclosures?

I understand that there are now over 180,000 HDB bank loans which have been rising over the years, whilst HDB loans have gradually declined on a relative basis.

Compulsory acquisition at only 90 per cent of valuation

Most HDB loans’ flat owners in default would have sold in the open market at valuation plus cash-over-valuation to avoid HDB compulsory acquisition at only 90 per cent of valuation.

Those who are forced to sell would disappear from the ‘in arrears’ and also not be reflected in the foreclosure statistics.

Forced to buy bigger flats?

Some may be forced to buy bigger flats than they can afford, due to the HDB’s income ceiling policy, which does not allow applicants with a household monthly income of more than $2,000 to buy two-room flats.

The income ceiling is applied regardless of family size or situation, or financial circumstances.

What this means is that those who earn more than $2,000 have to buy three-room or bigger units.

Housing woes of divorce

As to “One resident I saw was locked out of his marital home years back, recently divorced, and has transferred the flat to his ex-wife. Another recent divorcee is having to sell her flat, leaving her and her teenage daughter to fend for themselves, with no other relatives here to fall back on. Both asked me for HDB rental flats. I often receive such messages through Facebook too”,- Which is the only country in the world that requires a public housing flat to be returned to the public housing authority, at a price to be determined by the authority, when couples divorce?

Singapore – Divorce within five years, without children.

Which is the only country in the world that requires divorcing couples to cancel their existing public housing loan, and re-finance with a new one?

Singapore – Why can’t the existing housing loan be continued? Many divorcing couples have difficulty in re-financing, which may result in the sale of the flat.

Rental flats’ policy issues?

With regard to “MPs do our best to help, and HDB is building more rental flats” – Which is the only country in the world that increase the rent of the poorest of the poor, after two years of renting a public flat? Singapore – Households earning just over $800 a month have to pay higher rent after two years of tenancy.

Finally, the 30 months debarment rule to apply for a rental flat or new flat, for those who have sold a HDB flat for any reason including foreclosure, may also contribute to family breakups.

Leong Sze Hian

- http://leongszehian.com/?p=1973
 

scroobal

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To the PAP, the HDB is an important political tool. It becomes affordable public housing when it suits them and it also becomes home owners asset with significant capital appreciation again when it suits them. The grants help to gap the bullshit every time it attempts to fly.

How a million flat become part of public housing. I remember the early years where single unmarried individuals were treated like lepers and social rejects. Divorcees were treated like pariahs. These guys suffered for years in silence. Some paid thru the nose to rent rooms. Many of them served NS.
 

halsey02

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To the PAP, the HDB is an important political tool. It becomes affordable public housing when it suits them and it also becomes home owners asset with significant capital appreciation again when it suits them. The grants help to gap the bullshit every time it attempts to fly.

How a million flat become part of public housing. I remember the early years where single unmarried individuals were treated like lepers and social rejects. Divorcees were treated like pariahs. These guys suffered for years in silence. Some paid thru the nose to rent rooms. Many of them served NS.

Did these people, stand up together & fight the injustice that were thrown at them ?? ostracized, outcast & shunned?? NO, they have no balls!! what is the use of saying we have served NS, whereas the PR, few does & their offspring doesn't?? and what they are worth???? $100...

What did they do? whom did they vote!..did they change anything to make their lives better?? NO!!
 

Cruxx

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Did these people, stand up together & fight the injustice that were thrown at them ?? ostracized, outcast & shunned?? NO, they have no balls!! what is the use of saying we have served NS, whereas the PR, few does & their offspring doesn't?? and what they are worth???? $100...

What did they do? whom did they vote!..did they change anything to make their lives better?? NO!!

Sinkie sheep are born to be exploited. :biggrin:
 

mojito

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Did these people, stand up together & fight the injustice that were thrown at them ?? ostracized, outcast & shunned?? NO, they have no balls!! what is the use of saying we have served NS, whereas the PR, few does & their offspring doesn't?? and what they are worth???? $100...

What did they do? whom did they vote!..did they change anything to make their lives better?? NO!!

People who live in glass houses should not throw stones. Were you not one of society's righteous citizenry who denounced them in the first place? Did you stand up for the downtrodden when they were being mowed over?

Or did you gloat and smile to yourself. "Hee hee, heng ah! Not me." Ha!
 
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Bosimi

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More than 80% of Singaporeans are poor. :biggrin:

This is no good. We are paying a lot of money for something that is considered as a basic necessity for life. Can't the government do more than just talking with no work done to push the prices down ?
 

lee6100

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To the PAP, the HDB is an important political tool. It becomes affordable public housing when it suits them and it also becomes home owners asset with significant capital appreciation again when it suits them. The grants help to gap the bullshit every time it attempts to fly.

How a million flat become part of public housing. I remember the early years where single unmarried individuals were treated like lepers and social rejects. Divorcees were treated like pariahs. These guys suffered for years in silence. Some paid thru the nose to rent rooms. Many of them served NS.

As well as a political tool, HDB is a huge money making machine for government coffers. Step into the HDB Centre at Toa Payoh and you will see an assembly line approach to the property market. All around outside are also banks and lawyers' office - the entire food chain. MBT turned Singapore into a developers' playground and the government is loathe to let the music stop.
 

Alexlee01

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I refer to the article “PM Lee: Many housing problems due to family breakups” (TR Emeritus, Oct 25).

It states that “A fair share were residents with housing problems. But the root cause is family breakups”

Are “Many housing problems due to family breakups” or the other way round – Family breakups due to housing problems?

HDB affordability?

The persistent argument that HDB flats are affordable, because most flat owners do not use more than 30 per cent of their income to service their mortgage, may be fundamentally flawed as only those who can afford it will buy the flats. Those who cannot may already have given up their flats.

The fact that median and lower incomes have been lagging further behind, relative to HDB prices as a multiple of income, may be the best indicator of affordability.

Which is the only country in the world that allows public housing prices to increase by about five times more than median wage increase?

Singapore – The real median wage only increased by about 1.1 per cent over the last 10 years or so.

Passing the buck to banks?

Why were banks allowed to offer HDB housing loans from 1 January, 2003?

One possible reason perhaps, may be that at its historical peak, more than 40,000 HDB households were in arrears over three months (30,770 HDB loans were in arrears in September 2009, excluding HDB bank loans)..

I understand that the last reported statistic on HDB loans in arrears was 28,000 in 2010, which was about seven per cent of HDB loans.

HDB annual reports used to have a statistic on the number of HDB households given financial assistance, but this has disappeared for many years.

The last time that “applications for financial assistance approved” statistics were published was the HDB’s 2004/2005 annual report.

The figure was 28,386 and 39,308 for FY2004 and 2003, respectively.

Of course, it may also have been helpful then, to publish the statistics on the number of applications that were not approved.

No HDB bank loans’ delinquency statistics?

Since 1 January 2003, the HDB delinquency statistics have increasingly become more “incomplete”, as there are no publicly available statistics on HDB bank loans in arrears or foreclosures. HDB loans (not HDB bank loans) are only occasionally and rarely disclosed when typically a question was asked in Parliament.

The HDB has said that it does not have the statistics on HDB bank loans in arrears or foreclosures.

However, I understand the last time that HDB bank loans ‘in arrears’ statistics were disclosed, the figure was seven per cent (Feb 2007, Parliamentary debate).

So, if HDB bank loan arrears’ statistics could be disclosed in 2007, why did the HDB say subsequently, that it does not have the statistics on HDB bank loans in arrears or foreclosures?

I understand that there are now over 180,000 HDB bank loans which have been rising over the years, whilst HDB loans have gradually declined on a relative basis.

Compulsory acquisition at only 90 per cent of valuation

Most HDB loans’ flat owners in default would have sold in the open market at valuation plus cash-over-valuation to avoid HDB compulsory acquisition at only 90 per cent of valuation.

Those who are forced to sell would disappear from the ‘in arrears’ and also not be reflected in the foreclosure statistics.

Forced to buy bigger flats?

Some may be forced to buy bigger flats than they can afford, due to the HDB’s income ceiling policy, which does not allow applicants with a household monthly income of more than $2,000 to buy two-room flats.

The income ceiling is applied regardless of family size or situation, or financial circumstances.

What this means is that those who earn more than $2,000 have to buy three-room or bigger units.

Housing woes of divorce

As to “One resident I saw was locked out of his marital home years back, recently divorced, and has transferred the flat to his ex-wife. Another recent divorcee is having to sell her flat, leaving her and her teenage daughter to fend for themselves, with no other relatives here to fall back on. Both asked me for HDB rental flats. I often receive such messages through Facebook too”,- Which is the only country in the world that requires a public housing flat to be returned to the public housing authority, at a price to be determined by the authority, when couples divorce?

Singapore – Divorce within five years, without children.

Which is the only country in the world that requires divorcing couples to cancel their existing public housing loan, and re-finance with a new one?

Singapore – Why can’t the existing housing loan be continued? Many divorcing couples have difficulty in re-financing, which may result in the sale of the flat.

Rental flats’ policy issues?

With regard to “MPs do our best to help, and HDB is building more rental flats” – Which is the only country in the world that increase the rent of the poorest of the poor, after two years of renting a public flat? Singapore – Households earning just over $800 a month have to pay higher rent after two years of tenancy.

Finally, the 30 months debarment rule to apply for a rental flat or new flat, for those who have sold a HDB flat for any reason including foreclosure, may also contribute to family breakups.

Leong Sze Hian

- http://leongszehian.com/?p=1973


I am agree with your all beautiful suggestion. These small problems destroy the family.
 
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