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Khaw: Town councils should be linked to MPs, not run by HDB

Re: Khaw scolds WP for being childish, always complaining...

well, so much for listening and the big national conversation. When it is really a BIG YAWN!

What's left is for the people to solidly vote them out of power - deny them the 2/3 majority.

Yes, it's all a big wayang, nothing more. Never ever believe that the PAP would change. Whatever they do in the aftermath of GE2011, Hougang and Ponggol East BE are all cosmetic only. Inside them, they are still the very same, rotten to the core. And so the only chance Spore has for the future is to vote out the PAP.
 
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WP they are at fault for not being cooperative enough!!!

I agree with Khaw. WP are doing nothing more than trying to make a mountain out of molehill in a futile attempt to discredit the PAP.

LTK should be ashamed of himself.
 
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All I saw today is the PAP acting like a bully, not admitting mistakes..but at the same time doing something to plug the hole (mistake) in the system and telling WP they are at fault for not being cooperative enough!!!

Which explains why PAP election rally is getting more and more pathetic. No body trusted PAP anymore. Cow should not feel proud for saying what he said in parliament when everyone is watching. Such behaviour only attract bad vibes and more hatre towards PAP. Viewers can see and think what actually went wrong inside PAP and not what Khaw tried to defend and than turned bully in parliament. As such, I believe WP score more points in getting Khaw agitated and spewed more nonsensce for everyone to see because Khaw's words cannot be believed and lack credibility.

Teo Chee Hean and Khaw Boon Wan are PAP appointed fronline bully. You can switch off your TV when first word comes out of their mouth. Don't waste your precious time listening to their craps.
 
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AsiaOne

Khaw: Town councils should be linked to MPs, not run by HDB - AsiaOne.com
AsiaOne - ‎17 minutes ago‎

The need to create a link between an elected MP and his voters through his work in the town council is a strategic imperative which cannot be faulted, said National Development Minister Khaw Boon Wan on Monday.


If that was what he said, why staged a wayang MND review into AIMgate? Might as well come straight to residents instead of pretending to be impartial and conduct "independent" review.
 
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Khaw and the PAP are clueless on how democracy works. The Opposition is there to question and chastise the government. It is their role. They are not there to offer alternative.
Unless the government wants to give the Opposition a budget of $10 million each year, the Opposition cannot be expected to do more.
 
HDB is a huge bureacracy that should not be used to manage and maintain all the HDB estates. Such a huge entity cannot be counted on to take care of HDB flats adequately that satisfy the differing needs of each town.

The management of town councils has to be localised to ensure that town councils are more responsive to localised needs. Perhaps there has to be a separate elected town council manager, instead of using the elected MP as both parliamentarian and town council manager.

In this way, MPs will return to their original role in the westminister parliamentary system, and residents get to pick their town councillor whose sole role is to manage the township services and maintenance. Afterall, a good town councillor may not be a good parliamentarian as both entails different skill sets and priorities.
 
PAP is hopeless. Time for Singaporeans to dismantle this hopeless party because it became a deadly cell.
 
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Khaw is attempting to divert attention. The issue is not WP. WP only uncovered something that was kept hidden for sometime.

The issue is why residents' funds were handled in this manner and why a contract was given to a $2 company that has no meaningfully business activity. He only needs to address these and not worry about WP.

This is what happens when a party has too much power and authority! They make all the laws and rules about conflict of interest and corporate governance. Now that they got caught with their messy fingers in the cookie jar, they now say its ok for $2 companies and award contracts without tender. They make the rules and when they're caught breaking it, they say its ok and even generous to say they will not investigate WP for showing favoritism in their TC mgt! Never admit mistakes. But why then now they want to look into this process to avoid these issues! Just goes to show when u have power to make the rules, u can do what u want !! Who's going to say that when they did was wrong???
 
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Saw the news about Parliament debate on Town Councils. Of course with our media u only catch the PAP side of the story ....but even then I can find whose side to believe. Khaw calls WP childish and politicizing everything as opposed to how they took over Potong Pasir. Anyone can tell how easy PAP can take over Potong Pasir vs how difficult it is for WP to take over Aljunied. One is a giant swallowing a midget and it does not matter if they used pocket calculators to do the TC management. Khaw point that WP can just buy some off the shelf software to do the TC management system is just trivializing the whole matter. Sure some off the shelf management software can approx 80 to 90% of the system needed but any software expert will tell us the last 10% is the most difficult and can kill u.
All I saw today is the PAP acting like a bully, not admitting mistakes..but at the same time doing something to plug the hole (mistake) in the system and telling WP they are at fault for not being cooperative enough!!!
haha, if the TC software can use off-the-shelf, then why even boher with selling the software to AIM and then contracting AIM to maintain the software? Why can't all PAP town councils also use off-the-shelf softwares? Afterall it will be cheaper, right?

The snake has twisted itself into a gordon knot.
 
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This is what happens when a party has too much power and authority! They make all the laws and rules about conflict of interest and corporate governance. Now that they got caught with their messy fingers in the cookie jar, they now say its ok for $2 companies and award contracts without tender. They make the rules and when they're caught breaking it, they say its ok and even generous to say they will not investigate WP for showing favoritism in their TC mgt! Never admit mistakes. But why then now they want to look into this process to avoid these issues! Just goes to show when u have power to make the rules, u can do what u want !! Who's going to say that when they did was wrong???
Too bad fewer and fewer people are reading their bullshit on states times. Online media is totally killing the old PAP, who is still behaving as if the populace is stupid and only reads the crap coming out of braddell brothel.

PAP is creating their own problems by stonewalling and denying the issues arising form AIMgate. If PAP admits errors and make amends immediately, by 2016, many people will forgive and forget.

But by bullshiting now, it will only ensure that people will remember AIMgate and punish PAP in next GE. Now why is PAP leadership so adamant in sticking to their old ways in today's age of new media? Can't change with times or protecting the inhouse criminals?
 
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I wonder if Town council can take over the carparks of the estate too? That is a money making area that probably PAP will not want to let go? Since the whole estate is to be managed by the Town council, I thought carpark is also part of it? No?
 
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Too bad fewer and fewer people are reading their bullshit on states times. Online media is totally killing the old PAP, who is still behaving as if the populace is stupid and only reads the crap coming out of braddell brothel.

PAP is creating their own problems by stonewalling and denying the issues arising form AIMgate. If PAP admits errors and make amends immediately, by 2016, many people will forgive and forget.

But by bullshiting now, it will only ensure that people will remember AIMgate and punish PAP in next GE. Now why is PAP leadership so adamant in sticking to their old ways in today's age of new media? Can't change with times or protecting the inhouse criminals?

PAP model has always been eracting rules and also interpretation of the rules to their advantage...and they got the courts in their pocket. But people r smarter now and can see through all these hypocracies and the social media has helped a lot in opening people's ears and eyes!
 
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I agree with Khaw. WP are doing nothing more than trying to make a mountain out of molehill in a futile attempt to discredit the PAP.

LTK should be ashamed of himself.

What a load of bullshit!
 
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Khaw try to pull and fast one and divert the attention.

However Minister Khaw cautioned that such a route, if chosen, must be imposed across all town councils and the decision would also affect the company FM Solutions and Services appointed by the Aljunied-Hougang Town Council.

Giving details of the company, the minister revealed that the company was formed by a group of Hougang town council employees and principally owned by a husband and wife team who have a long association with the Workers' Party, who were also assentors and proposers in the 2006 General Election for the Workers' Party team contesting in the Ang Mo Kio GRC.

Mr Khaw said: "The management contract which was worth $5.2 million a year was awarded to FMSS without tender.

"One year later, Aljunied-Hougang Town Council did go for a tender where FMSS was the only tenderer and the three-year contract worth $16.8 million was given to FMSS.
 
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Khaw try to pull and fast one and divert the attention.

FM Solutions and Services appointed by the Aljunied-Hougang Town Council, also without tender to wp friends.

lol khaw is saying to wp don't be hypocrite. wp quickly making sure fm solutions books are neat and tidy.
 
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Shorty Khaw, how many TCs lose $ in the mini bond saga:mad:

Before you start accusing Aljunied TC lost $ in mini bonds too, I must remind you AJ was under PAP at that time :oIo: No opposition held wards lost any $ in mini bonds. Only PAP :oIo:
 
Re: Khaw scolds WP for being childish, always complaining...

PAP model has always been eracting rules and also interpretation of the rules to their advantage...and they got the courts in their pocket. But people r smarter now and can see through all these hypocracies and the social media has helped a lot in opening people's ears and eyes!

Every one of those motherfuckers maggots in white OUT OUT OUT in 2016
Not a single of those PAP cancerous growth to remain after 2016

Time for us to regain our country and our future in 2016
 
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Khaw Boon Wan and Sylvia Lim engage in fierce debate over AIM deal

http://sg.news.yahoo.com/khaw-boon-...in-fierce-debate-over-aim-deal-002735963.html

National Development Minister Khaw Boon Wan’s ministerial statement in Parliament on Monday, which touched on town councils and the PAP-owned Action Information Management (AIM), sparked off a charged debate with some of the fiercest arguments coming from Worker’s Party (WP) chairman Sylvia Lim.

In rejecting the Ministry of National Development's (MND) finding that residents’ interests had not been compromised in a deal between PAP town councils and AIM, she questioned aspects of the AIM deal, like the nature of AIM and the one-month termination clause in the event the town council changed hands.

For example, she pointed out that the timing for the 2010 sale of the IT software to AIM was questionable.

“The timing of the sale to commence a few months before the General Elections (GE) in 2011 also calls for explanation. Was it a pure coincidence? Or was there simply a need to sell the software quickly, so that termination can be effected if political seats were lost?” she said.

To this, the Minister replied in his round-up statement, “First, the TCs brought in Deloitte & Touche (D&T) to evaluate their software, not in the year just before the 2011 GE, but as early as June 2009.” He added that the TCs’ software was also obsolete and was scheduled for replacement, with the software maintenance contract with NCS “expiring in October 2010”.

Resident’s interests at stake

Lim, who is also chairman of the Aljunied-Hougang Town Council, also attacked the reasons given for the one-month termination clause – she said they were “plainly unconvincing” and put residents’ welfare at risk.

“First, no attempt was made to explain why a material change in membership of TC should allow unilateral termination by the contractor with one month’s notice,” she said. “The real sting of the termination clause lay in its one-month notice period. Is a one-month termination reasonable for a critical IT system? It is quite clear that time is needed to develop a system of this complexity – in the PAP’s own estimation, 18 to 24 months. Did the PAP TCs not realise that this aspect of the AIM transaction endangered the continuity of public services? Or perhaps that was the intention in the case of a change in political leadership?”

To this, Khaw replied, “There are now, as we have heard repeatedly, two interpretations of what actually happened. AIM insisted that it did not initiate termination and that it was the Aljunied-Hougang TC which gave notice of its intention to use its own software. Only on receipt of that notice did AIM then terminate the contract. The AHTC’s version is that they believed that it would be terminated and so decided to start sourcing for their own IT software system. The Review Team has included the full exchange of letters in their report, and we will let the readers draw their own conclusion.”

Controversy over the AIM deal first erupted last December, when the MND released its town council management report, singling out the AHTC with a “red” rating for the latter’s handling of service and conservancy charge (S&CC) arrears. Lim that month explained that the town council’s audit took longer than expected because of its need to develop a new computer and financial system from scratch after having been informed in 2011 that the existing system would be terminated.

Tender truly open?

Lim also questioned on Monday the open tender for the software contract – “Was it an open tender in substance,” she asked.

“The tender was advertised and five companies picked up the documents. However, a closer look at the Conditions of Contract will reveal that the specifications required each of the directors of the tendering company to have “adequate experience with the operations and functions of a Town Council”. I wonder how many companies in the software business in Singapore can say that all their directors have TC experience – perhaps only AIM?” she said.

“The tender period was advertised as 14 days, shorter than the minimum period of three weeks for local tenders required under the TC Financial Rule 74(6). It was then extended by another week to give 3 weeks. Why the initial period advertised was one week less than the minimum was not explained at all in the MND report.”

In response, Khaw pointed out that some latitude is given to TC managers and, in the case of the tender, the proper clearances had been sought for the shorter time period. It was something Lim exercised as well, Khaw said.

“The TC Financial Rules also provide latitude to TCs or their Chairmen to waive requirement to call for tender altogether. Ms Sylvia Lim would be familiar with this because she exercised this latitude when her TC waived competition and appointed FM Solutions and Services Pte Ltd (FMSS) as its Managing Agent (MA) in 2011. MND left the appointment to her best judgement and did not object. We have to apply the TCs Act and the TC Financial Rules fairly, evenly and consistently,” he explained.

Furthermore, in response to concerns raised that there was a conflict of interest when town councils deal with companies owned by political parties, Mr Khaw pointed out that FMSS is run by a husband-and-wife team who are long-time WP supporters. They, in fact, “acted as assentor and proposer to the WP team of candidates led by Mr Yaw Shin Leong to contest in Ang Mo Kio GRC in the 2006 General Election”, he said. FMSS was set up four days after the WP won Aljunied GRC and it was given a S$5.2 million-a-year contract.

Passengers in Cessna

In concluding her speech, Lim recalled an interesting episode from the Parliamentary debate in 1988 when the Town Council Bill was first presented for the Second Reading.

“At that debate, the then First Deputy Prime Minister Goh Chok Tong justified the introduction of Town Councils as providing political stabilisers to the political system. He said there was a need to protect the public by ensuring that political parties which aspired to be government should first prove that they could run a Town Council for a constituency. He said, ‘If a new party finds itself unexpectedly in government, it would be like an aspiring pilot taking over an SIA jumbo jet in mid-air before he has flown solo in a Cessna. This cannot be in the interest of passengers in the jumbo… TCs are the Cessnas of our political system.’

“Is this what this whole AIM episode is about – ensuring that the passengers in the Cessnas have bumpy rides or even crash land? Does the government even care about the passengers in the Cessnas, or are they simply collateral damage in a bigger political game?”

In response, Khaw replied sternly, “Ms Sylvia Lim said that the PAP is not concerned about the passengers sitting in the Cessna getting hurt should it crash land. This is self-righteous, and – pardon me for saying so – arrogant. Many of us in this House have been serving Singaporeans for decades, long before she entered this House. Please, don’t behave as if you are the only patriot in this House.”

Lim, rising to speak right after Khaw’s round-up speech, defended herself, “I have to take issue with his ascribing to me personal motives of pride and arrogance because I think nothing can be further from the truth.

“The reason why we raised this matter for public discussion and debate is because we want to improve things for the future. So I definitely do not accept his ascription of those motives to me personally.”
 
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Many of us in this House have been serving Singaporeans for decades, long before she entered this House.

Serving Singaporeans or serving themselves??? :rolleyes:
 
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Serving Singaporeans or serving themselves??? :rolleyes:

How is one going to serve others if he can't serve himself well in the first place? :D
If his heart bypass operation cost more than $8, how to price it at $8 for Singaporeans? Singaporeans are paying $8 for a similar operation right? :rolleyes:
 
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