I've changed my mind - Masks now mandatory....

[Leongsam]

.....for your vehicle

 

[Leongsam]

 

[eatshitndie]

mandatory in ny too as of today, but not in california. in ca, it’s recommended.

 

[Leongsam]

Thousands converge on Lansing to protest statewide lockdown
Staff

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WEDNESDAY, April 15 — Hundreds of beeping vehicles swarmed downtown Lansing today, jamming up several intersections, blocking roadways and crowding the State Capitol lawn to protest Gov. Gretchen Whitmer’s “Stay Safe, Stay Home” executive order.

Many defied social distancing mandates in Whitmer’s order, crowding closely together with rifles and signs supporting Donald Trump. Others stayed in their cars and trucks, some pulling construction gear, landscaping equipment and motorboats. Music blared from loud speakers.

Hundreds ignored guidance from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention by not wearing masks or face covers, shouting about how Whitmer needs to be removed from office.

Rich Freiburger, owner of Rapid Concrete in Grand Rapids, parked his truck, complete with a Gadsden flag — with the slogan “Don’t Tread on M” — and Trump 2020 banner, at the Cooley Stadium as crowds formed. He said he’s missing out on at least $60,000 worth of business because construction is nonessential.

“I can buy liquor. I can buy lottery tickets. It just doesn’t make sense,” Freiburger added. “I’m capable of putting myself out of business. I don’t need any help from the governor. I really just want to survive. I didn’t work this hard in all this to be shot down and put out of business.”

Freiburger was among thousands who drove from across the state to demonstrate in downtown Lansing today as part of “Operation Gridlock.” The goal: cause a massive traffic jam and let Whitmer know that her executive lockdown has gone a step too far in Michigan.

Organizers at the Michigan Conservative Coalition told City Pulse last week that the order curtails far too many personal liberties and has crippled Michigan’s economy in the process. Hundreds just want to get back to work. Some want to travel freely across the state. Others want to buy guns, play golf or go boating. And many are just tired of being told what to do.

“It doesn’t make any sense to be bankrupting companies and industries and not consider the resulting impact on families as part of the public health crisis in Michigan,” a spokesman for the Coalition told City Pulse. “We’re the most restrictive state in the union right now.”

Whitmer’s order extends restrictions on many nonessential businesses operations and orders residents to mostly stay at home until at least April 30. Public and private gatherings have been restricted. Travel between homes — except to provide care for another — has been prohibited.

Others still sided with the “Woman from Michigan.” A protester with a “Go Home Rednecks” sign shifted the lockdown blame to the national level, instead pointing his finger at Trump:

“This is very unsafe. The only reason they’re not working right now is because their president did a horrible job resolving this issue in the first place. They can only blame themselves.”

Whitmer, in response to complaints, said that exceptions to the lockdown would only increase the chances that the virus could spread. Last week, she said it’ll be at least a few more weeks before Michigan can contemplate a return to normalcy as COVID-19 plagues the country.

“We are writing the plan so we can re-engage safely,” Whitmer said. “I want you to have your freedom. I want to have mine too. We’ll get to a place where we can be with our friends and family again, where restaurants will open again, where we can go back to work safely again.”

But assurances from politicians only go so far, at least with Michigan’s conservative crowd. Many of today’s protesters today likened Whitmer’s order to the authoritarian rule of Adolph Hitler — some have referred to the governor as “Whitler” — in Nazi Germany. Their goal: return Michigan to everyday life — and quickly.

Republican candidates campaigned to the crowd. A Fox News crew set up a camera in the back of a pickup truck. A pair of horses roamed the sidewalk near Lansing City Hall. A “MAGA” themed version of “YMCA” blasted from a large “Trump Unity” trailer blocking Capitol Ave.

Lansing Mayor Andy Schor said city and state police were there monitoring, but because the cars appeared to be moving, protesters were considered to be “legally driving on city streets,” he said. And police were not allowed to pull drivers over for suspected executive order violations.

Fire Chief Mike Mackey dispelled rumors that a patient had died in an ambulance that was stuck in traffic, noting that emergency vehicles had been strategically placed across the city to ensure that first responders weren’t stuck up in traffic and could still respond to scenes quickly.

Still, some elected leaders in Lansing pushed back against the temporary chaos downtown. Lansing City Council President Peter Spadafore called it a “brazen display of selfishness.”

“While visitors' lives may be affected by this order, their actions will have a ripple effect through Lansing and our state,” Spadafore told City Pulse this afternoon. “They are not practicing social distancing. They are not staying in their cars. There is a very real possibility that visitors will now spread the virus to all corners of our state and the epicenter will be this protest.”

 

[nayr69sg]

wow! Civil war coming in USA!

The MASKED vs NAKED

 

[Leongsam]

wow! Civil war coming in USA!

The MASKED vs NAKED

Lockdowns in the USA are illegal as it violates the constitution.

If it ends up in the supreme court I'm pretty sure protestors will be proven right.

BTW do you have any updates on the serological testing? It has been more than a week. Stanford should have some results by now.

 

[nayr69sg]

Lockdowns in the USA are illegal as it violates the constitution.

If it ends up in the supreme court I'm pretty sure protestors will be proven right.

BTW do you have any updates on the serological testing? It has been more than a week. Stanford should have some results by now.

Nope I have not heard anything.

Not that I am actively searching though.

Been busy enough with work!

Now that telemedicine is a thing in Canada, getting more business across the entire province. Clinic owner is also looking to expand into Ontario! I am licenced in both Ontario and Alberta.

Looks like covid19 has been good for my business! volume of patients is up but average billing per patient is down (telemedicine pays less). So gotta work harder to make the same amount. But hey if I am able to work harder during this period that's a good sign for the future!

 

[eatshitndie]

"shelter in place" orders (lockdowns with essential businesses and services open) are constitutional as they are issued and administered at the state level, which are fundamentally allowed by the feds and the u.s. constitution as these orders are deferred by all 3 branches of gov at the national level to state legislatures which passed these laws some time ago. each state's interpretation and implementation of "shelter in place" orders can vary widely or narrowly depending on the executive branch (i.e. governor's office) and judiciary rulings.

 

[Leongsam]

"shelter in place" orders (lockdowns with essential businesses and services open) are constitutional as they are issued and administered at the state level, which are fundamentally allowed by the feds and the u.s. constitution as these orders are deferred by all 3 branches of gov at the national level to state legislatures which passed these laws some time ago. each state's interpretation and implementation of "shelter in place" orders can vary widely or narrowly depending on the executive branch (i.e. governor's office) and judiciary rulings.

Interesting review of the situation here.

https://www.ccn.com/california-governors-stay-at-home-order-is-unconstitutional/

 

[nayr69sg]

USA will lead the way to go back to normal.

 

[eatshitndie]

Interesting review of the situation here.

https://www.ccn.com/california-governors-stay-at-home-order-is-unconstitutional/

while constitutionalists can debate until cows cum home, there were local precedents during the eruption of mt. st. helens, 3-mile island, wild forest fires in california and colorado, and gas refinery fires at martinez and rodeo in northern california. while these events do not fit the exceptions of “war and rebellion”, local govs have the right to declare emergencies to protect residents, and “shelter in place” legislation is part of that. if these so called (belated) constitutionalists have objections to these precedents, they could have sued their way to the supreme court. but they did not when presented with multiple events and opportunities. why now? potus has already declared it’s war and he’s a wartime president, and has endorsed respective governors’ decisions. and the supreme court is on his side. these bozos can sue their way to scotus, and they will lose, allowing scotus to rule on a constitutional “hole” that will be finally patched, to the dismay and disappointment of these jokers. i’m a libertarian, and when disaster strikes such as an earthquake or forest fire or tsunami, these so called “freedoms of association and assembly” becum meaningless.

 

[syed putra]

USA will lead the way to go back to normal.

China already doing it.

 

[Leongsam]

while constitutionalists can debate until cows cum home, there were local precedents during the eruption of mt. st. helens, 3-mile island, wild forest fires in california and colorado, and gas refinery fires at martinez and rodeo in northern california. while these events do not fit the exceptions of “war and rebellion”, local govs have the right to declare emergencies to protect residents, and “shelter in place” legislation is part of that. if these so called (belated) constitutionalists have objections to these precedents, they could have sued their way to the supreme court. but they did not when presented with multiple events and opportunities. why now? potus has already declared it’s war and he’s a wartime president, and has endorsed respective governors’ decisions. and the supreme court is on his side. these bozos can sue their way to scotus, and they will lose, allowing scotus to rule on a constitutional “hole” that will be finally patched, to the dismay and disappointment of these jokers. i’m a libertarian, and when disaster strikes such as an earthquake or forest fire or tsunami, these so called “freedoms of association and assembly” becum meaningless.

I guess it is the duration of the lockdowns that ultimately decide.

A one week lockdown won't be successfully challenged.

2 months? Grey area.

6 months? Probably will be ruled unconstitutional or citizenry will have already taken to the streets.

 

[eatshitndie]

I guess it is the duration of the lockdowns that ultimately decide.

A one week lockdown won't be successfully challenged.

2 months? Grey area.

6 months? Probably will be ruled unconstitutional or citizenry will have already taken to the streets.

yes, if it drags on for like 6.9 months, there’ll be mass rebellion. this is why governors have to be careful not to overstep their powers and push the envelope - a reason why they can’t wait to loosen a little with record deaths but declining new cases. albeit, in a rebellion, governors are endowed fully by the constitution to impose draconian rules - which will defeat the original argument anyway. tails they lose heads they also lose.

 

[syed putra]

Most economies won't survive pass two months of lockdown.spain already starting to reopen. Italy also.

 

[eatshitndie]

Most economies won't survive pass two months of lockdown.spain already starting to reopen. Italy also.

6.9 weeks is near max. otherwise it becums like venezuela, and cuntry will descend into destitution, poverty and chaos. state governors now are talking so much about herd immunity that they are preparing the population to bite the bullet and get on with their lives. many will live some will die.

 

[nayr69sg]

By now there should be more than enough information and data on covid19.

Time to talk more about how to go back to normal or at least operating economies.

I think people are just sick of hearing the same old news. And nothing on what to do going forward.

Doctors are not the ones to advise how to go back to normal.