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is malaysia the only country with affirmative action policy for it's majority race?

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The US has affirmative action too but it's only for minorities like blacks. Whites don't get it, unless it's very special circumstances where they can claim to be a minority.

Therefore is malaysia the only country where the majority race and it's specifically race based needs affirmative action (prebumi) laws to help the majority race? :eek:
 
Re: is malaysia the only country with affirmative action policy for it's majority rac

The US has affirmative action too but it's only for minorities like blacks. Whites don't get it, unless it's very special circumstances where they can claim to be a minority.

Therefore is malaysia the only country where the majority race and it's specifically race based needs affirmative action (prebumi) laws to help the majority race? :eek:

No, Israel as well.

But even with affirmative action they were left behind. Only in Bolehland.

They screwed up big time when the deserving citizen were forced to leave creating a massive braindrain and undeserving migrants were promoted to make up the numbers because of religion affinity.

Bolehland is like an experimental Singapore gone very wrong. Not one single institutions left intact. Almost kafkaesque...
 
Re: is malaysia the only country with affirmative action policy for it's majority rac

Zimbabwe and South Africa.
 
Re: is malaysia the only country with affirmative action policy for it's majority rac

No, Israel as well.

But even with affirmative action they were left behind. Only in Bolehland.

They screwed up big time when the deserving citizen were forced to leave creating a massive braindrain and undeserving migrants were promoted to make up the numbers because of religion affinity.

Bolehland is like an experimental Singapore gone very wrong. Not one single institutions left intact. Almost kafkaesque...

Boy am I glad I wasn't born in that country. In most cases they would need some sort of special rules like affirmative action to help the minorities have fairer play in society yet the malays despite being the majority still need special rules to help them succeed. Those undeserving migrants are Indonesians correct?

Anyway they'll still find a way to blame chinese and Singapore for their failures
 
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There is another nearby country that reserved special assistance plan schools, elite jobs in the military and politics, jobs in many service sectors for the majority race.....
 
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Malaysian bumiputra policy has nothing to do with majority or minority. Chinese can out-reproduce until they become the majority but they're still not bumiputra. Bumiputra policy is not an affirmative action to help any particularly disadvantaged minority. It's an assertion of privilege through native ancestry.

One must understand the background, which would been even harsher if the Malaysian Chinese were not saved by the departing British colonists. Malaysian Chinese immigrants (other than multi-generational Straits Chinese, i.e. Peranakans) had no citizenship rights during the British colonial era. Malaysia at pre-dawn to independence wanted to deport all Chinese except Peranakans. The British talked them out of that with economic and political implications too dire to bear, whatever.

Is Malaysia wrong or unfair? Thailand and Japan practise more or less the same policy in varying versions. They're just lucky enough to have 1 or 2% of immigrants to begin with, Malaysia's just unlucky enough to have more than 30% to begin with.
 
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There are about 6 million ethnic Malaysian Chinese, many more than Sinkie Chinese. Just keep that in mind. It's a fact.

Malaysia is god-send for those who wanna play up the Boogeyman card.
:rolleyes:
 
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The Malays and other natives must first break out of the mental slavery that they are in. Only then can they break out of their economic slavery. However, as I see it, the mental and economic slavery of the Malays is too far down the road. I do not see any changes in our lifetime. It may have to get worse before it gets better.



NO HOLDS BARRED

Raja Petra Kamarudin


Charting the Malay economic agenda

Some 500 representatives of more than 100 Malay non-governmental organisations met at Putra World Trade Centre today to chart the Malay economic agenda for the New Economic Model (NEM).

The convention themed “Strengthening Bumiputera Economy” is aimed at protecting Malay and Bumiputera interests in the country’s economic development.

Their aim is to ensure that the Malays and Bumiputera will not be left out under the NEM.

NEM, introduced by Prime Minister Najib Tun Razak last month, sought to liberalise the economy and put aside Malay privileges formerly enjoyed under the New Economic Policy (NEP).

NEM also aims to give equal opportunities to all Malaysians and eradicate poverty.

The Malay NGOs is grouped under the umbrella body called the Malay Consultative Council (MCC), and spearheaded by Perkasa, a right-wing Malay pressure group.

MCC wants the government to continue handing out privileges enjoyed by the Malays under the NEP so that they could develop alongside other races.

The MCC will hand over its resolutions to Najib when he closes the convention tonight. -- Free Malaysia Today



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In the early days, the bigger and stronger tribes would attack the smaller and weaker tribes and take those still alive as slaves (and leave the dead bodies as food for the dogs and vultures). As time went on and tribes became nations, the bigger and stronger nations would attack the smaller and weaker nations and take its people as slaves.

Of course, once in a while, leaders such as Spartacus, Moses, and so on, came along to lead their people out of slavery. Or people like Abraham Lincoln would emerge to champion an end to slavery.

But the general rule of thumb would be that the strong would always try to enslave the weak and exploit the weak for economic benefits. There were also instances when two groups went to war and the losers in that war would be captured and turned into slaves. Invariably, if they served no economic purpose then they would be exterminated. But if they were useful as slaves then they would be captured alive.

Such are the ways of humankind. It is basically a case of the strong exploiting the weak so that the strong becomes stronger and the weak becomes weaker. And that too is basically what politics is all about. It is a game of the strong taking power so that they can rule over the weak. Maybe the graphics below best explains the relationship between the politicians and the voters.



Eventually, slavery, in the form that we knew, ended. But slavery per se never ended. It just transformed into a more sophisticated form. It transformed into mental and economic slavery. No longer did strong nations attack weaker nations with swords or guns. They attacked weaker nations economically and with ideas and concepts.

The current economic system is a creation of the stronger nations. Today, the weaker nations are slaves of this system and there is no breaking out of the system. Either you play according to the system or you do not play at all. And any country that does not practice a system of government that the stronger nations regard as ‘acceptable’ are punished until they abandon their unacceptable system and adopt the western interpretation of governance.

How many times in our youth back in the 1950 and 1960s did we cheer and whistle when the Cowboys won against the Red Indians (now called ‘Native Americans’; the politically correct term)? Was not John Wayne the hero and our idol and the Apaches the baddies? That was the ‘power’ Hollywood had over us. It did not occur to us then that America belonged to the Red Indians while the Orang Puteh (pale face) were the aggressors and robbers of Red Indian land.

Yes, the white skins decide the system and the rules. The red skins, black skins, yellow skins, brown skins, and whatnot, either comply with the system decided by the white skins or else they are the baddies. White is good. ‘Off-white’ is bad. That is the rule of the game.

The white skins, however, have left the shores of Malaysia. Today, Malaysia is run by the brown, yellow and black skins also known as Barisan Nasional. The British colonialists are no longer masters of our land. The masters of our land are our own people.

When the white skins ruled our land they were the masters (tuan) and we were the slaves. Today, the ruling elite is the master and the rest of us their slaves. That is how it worked for 10,000 years. That is still how it works today. But, today, we do not have a Spartacus or Moses to lead us out of slavery. Today, we have two sets of political parties fighting over who should be the masters of this land.

We might see a change of master if Pakatan Rakyat unseats Barisan Nasional and marches into Putrajaya. But that does not mean we shall see our status as slaves change.

Barisan Nasional need not enslave the Chinese and Indians. Well, they do, actually. They enslave the Chinese and Indians but reducing them to a status of second-class citizens and by placing quotas and restrictions on them. Therefore they are not free to flourish. They can only flourish as far as Barisan Nasional would allow them to.

What is more important is to enslave the natives, like how the Red Indians of America were enslaved on the reservations. And the natives here are the Malays and ‘others’ of Sabah and Sarawak. This group of people will decide who gets to form the federal government because they decide more than two-thirds of the seats in Parliament. So they must be the ones who should be enslaved.

And they are effectively enslaved both economically and mentally. Mentally, they are enslaved through culture and religion. Yes, cultural and religious beliefs are a form of slavery and a very effective form at that. And that is why Malays are being led to believe the wrong things about Islam. They are not taught the true and right form of Islam. To do so would mean you would be freeing the Malay mind.

And the most important form of slavery of all is economic slavery. That is what the powerful nations do to the weaker nations. And that is also what people in power do to those they rule over.

Of course, the people must be constantly reminded that they are poor, backward and left behind. But you have to look for a bogeyman to blame. And you offer yourself as the solution although you are actually the cause of the problem.

Today, the Malays, yet again, sat down in an economic convention to discuss their economic future. They have been doing the same for more than 40 years. And they are still doing it until today. But just like over the last 40 or 50 years, no solution will be found. This is because those who walk in the corridors of power do not want to find a solution. They need the natives to remain in poverty. Only when the natives remain as economic slaves can the powers-that-be continue to dominate them.

Just to digress a bit, my late father was involved in the First Bumiputera Economic Congress back in the 1960s, which resulted in the creation of Bank Bumiputera, while my Aunt was involved in RIDA, which later transformed into MARA and saw the creation of ITM and now UITM. So, yes, my family was involved in the ‘Malay struggle’ long before ‘May 13’ and that is why I feel I have earned the moral right to criticise those who walk in the corridors of power.

The Malays and other natives must first break out of the mental slavery that they are in. Only then can they break out of their economic slavery. However, as I see it, the mental and economic slavery of the Malays is too far down the road. I do not see any changes in our lifetime. It may have to get worse before it gets better.

And this is why I worry. There are only two types of changes. One is evolution. The other, revolution. The first takes time while the second can be achieved overnight. But the second can be very destructive in nature.

And there are two routes to achieving change. One is through the ballot and, the other, the bullet. The sad thing is, after people decide that the ballot has failed them, they would resort to the bullet.

And that would be a most tragic thing indeed if it does happen.

Was it not Lim Kit Siang in 1978 who wrote that book called ‘A time bomb in Malaysia’?

http://www.malaysia-today.net/index...lavery&catid=20:no-holds-barred&Itemid=100087
 
Re: is malaysia the only country with affirmative action policy for it's majority rac

There is another nearby country that reserved special assistance plan schools, elite jobs in the military and politics, jobs in many service sectors for the majority race.....

Well said! At least they have minorities holding colonels in their armed forces. Just cos the pay are Peanut$, the minorities refuse to take the offer, twist and turn here and say the Majorities are in the civil service. :rolleyes:
 
Re: is malaysia the only country with affirmative action policy for it's majority rac

Malaysian bumiputra policy has nothing to do with majority or minority. Chinese can out-reproduce until they become the majority but they're still not bumiputra. Bumiputra policy is not an affirmative action to help any particularly disadvantaged minority. It's an assertion of privilege through native ancestry.

One must understand the background, which would been even harsher if the Malaysian Chinese were not saved by the departing British colonists. Malaysian Chinese immigrants (other than multi-generational Straits Chinese, i.e. Peranakans) had no citizenship rights during the British colonial era. Malaysia at pre-dawn to independence wanted to deport all Chinese except Peranakans. The British talked them out of that with economic and political implications too dire to bear, whatever.

Is Malaysia wrong or unfair? Thailand and Japan practise more or less the same policy in varying versions. They're just lucky enough to have 1 or 2% of immigrants to begin with, Malaysia's just unlucky enough to have more than 30% to begin with.




If the chinese decided to do that with some minority in macau or HK that would be racist and cruel but of course it's not in this case since the ones being deported are chinese. :rolleyes:
 
Re: is malaysia the only country with affirmative action policy for it's majority rac

There is another nearby country that reserved special assistance plan schools, elite jobs in the military and politics, jobs in many service sectors for the majority race.....

Are you cock sure about this? Hey if your results are good you can go places. Pls if your results SUCK don't expect to go anywhere especially in that country IRREGARDLESS of race.


So like i said is it cos that race just happens to have better results that's why they are going places?
 
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If PAP one day decides to give all FTs here citizenship for free like what the British did to the immigrants in Malaya last time, I wonder if the same empty barrels here will say hallelujah with open arms to them.

Don't know history but talk so much. Bodoh.



blah blah blah you piece of shit pap already gives citizenship treats non citizens better than the locals but since when the locals ever complained like the malays here?

You bodoh piece of shit stop putting the blame on chinese. Asshole.
 
Re: is malaysia the only country with affirmative action policy for it's majority rac

Wow!! You have suddenly changed the policies, now Ahmad can join the armour regiment and get a SAF scholarship with his 4As!!! Amazing!!!
 
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Is Malaysia wrong or unfair? Thailand and Japan practise more or less the same policy in varying versions. They're just lucky enough to have 1 or 2% of immigrants to begin with, Malaysia's just unlucky enough to have more than 30% to begin with.

Actually the chinese were close to 38.4% according to the 1947 census. Malay was only 49.5% Only half of the population. It would be interesting if there wasn't any affirmative action to begin with and the chinese birthrate had increase instead of declining. Perhaps this was why the declining birthrate in Singapore is such a major concern for the ruling government.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysian_Chinese

Demographics

An early census of ethnic groups in the British Malay states, conducted by the British in 1835, showed that ethnic Chinese constituted 8 percent of the population and were mainly found in the Straits Settlements, while the Malays and Indians made up 88 percent and 4 percent of the population respectively.[3] Malaya's population quickly increased during the 19th and 20th centuries, although the majority of Chinese immigrants were males rather than females.[4] By 1921, Malaya's population had swelled to nearly three million, and the Chinese constituted 30 percent of Malaya's population while the Malays constituted 54.7% of Malaya's population, whose growth was fueled by immigrants from neighboring Indonesia (the Indians made up most of the remainder). While the Chinese population was largely transient, and many coolies returned to China on a frequent basis, 29 percent of the Chinese population were local born, most of whom were the offspring of first-generation Chinese immigrants.[5] The British government began to impose restrictions on migration during the 1930s, but the difference between the number of Chinese and Malays continued to close up even after World War II. The 1947 census indicated that the Malays constituted 49.5% of the population, compared to the Chinese at 38.4%, out of a total population of 4.9 million.[6]
 
Re: is malaysia the only country with affirmative action policy for it's majority rac

There is another nearby country that reserved special assistance plan schools, elite jobs in the military and politics, jobs in many service sectors for the majority race.....

Which country is that? I'm not sure, let me go ask my President Nathan, Ministers Vivian Bala, Thaman and DPM Jayakumar. If they not sure, I'll ask Singapore UN Perm Rep Bilahari.
 
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LOL. Who complained to town council about cats scratching her car? Who contributed the most in stomp aka the bo liao complaining site? Thanks for the joke btw. Made my day

You know what is the biggest joke? Chinese is the majority here who can make the difference during polls but yet PAP is still in power after all the complaining about the earth and sky. Go figure.

What a wonderful morning.


You are the joke. Which race is the majority in this country? Therefore isn't it common sense which race would have the most complaints? Trust you to actually try and pretend that this fact doesn't exist.

Btw it was the malays that voted in bulk and helped keep the pap in power. Saw so many of them singing and dancing during the last election. Why did you ignore that fact? Oh yes i know ppl like you when it comes to getting the glory u definitely want all of it when it comes to accepting responsibility nope u shirk all of it. :rolleyes:
 
Re: is malaysia the only country with affirmative action policy for it's majority rac

Which country is that? I'm not sure, let me go ask my President Nathan, Ministers Vivian Bala, Thaman and DPM Jayakumar. If they not sure, I'll ask Singapore UN Perm Rep Bilahari.

LOL you know one thing when it comes to pointing fingers and putting the blame on chinese for "racism" in sg facts are this are ignored and every small and stupid slight whether it's even real or not is called "racism" here.

Facts like how indians are disproportionaltely represented in politics are ignored and in fact might be racist to other races.

yet all because a few of them got call names and mind you they are not racial slurs they go all out to complain and complain and complain and mind you it only happens when they get called names. Call chinese cina babi and nope it's not racist. :rolleyes:
 
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you got pass your maths or not? You know Malays make up how many percent of Singapore? I teach you FOC. 13.4%. Even if all Malays, Indians and other non-Chinese were to vote against PAP, that would only make up to only 24.8%.

66.6% - 24.8% = 41.8%

That means at least 41.8% of the Chinese population voted for PAP the last election, more than the 33.3% of those who voted against PAP which includes every race. Go figure.

Trust you to actually try and pretend that this fact doesn't exist.

What a wonderful evening...


WHat a stupid dumb ass you are. Are you then trying to tell me that the malay vote doesn't count then? That even if all the malays voted against the PAP they would still be in power?


You are a real retard. Every vote counts. Therefore suffice to say malays are also responsible for the PAP to be in power. Btw use racial proprtion in this case, why trying to pin the blame solely unto the chinese?


Anyway let's say i decide to use your logic. Let's say hey singapore's success is due to the huge majority of chinese and since malays are a minority they are not responsible for their success. Let me apply the same logic that you have used on this voting topic. Since malays make up a minority their votes wouldn't help to keep pap in power even if all of them voted against the pap, okay so wouldn't it now be also fair to say since malays make up a minority in sg's population they cannot make sg a success even if all of them were successful model citizens. Does this now hold water? :rolleyes:


You see ppl like you would immediately change your stance, you would vehemently deny it and say you're wrong! So you see you want all the glory but 0 of the responsibility.
 
Re: is malaysia the only country with affirmative action policy for it's majority rac

WHat a stupid dumb ass you are. Are you then trying to tell me that the malay vote doesn't count then? That even if all the malays voted against the PAP they would still be in power?


You are a real retard. Every vote counts. Therefore suffice to say malays are also responsible for the PAP to be in power. Btw use racial proprtion in this case, why trying to pin the blame solely unto the chinese?


Anyway let's say i decide to use your logic. Let's say hey singapore's success is due to the huge majority of chinese and since malays are a minority they are not responsible for their success. Let me apply the same logic that you have used on this voting topic. Since malays make up a minority their votes wouldn't help to keep pap in power even if all of them voted against the pap, okay so wouldn't it now be also fair to say since malays make up a minority in sg's population they cannot make sg a success even if all of them were successful model citizens. Does this now hold water? :rolleyes:


You see ppl like you would immediately change your stance, you would vehemently deny it and say you're wrong! So you see you want all the glory but 0 of the responsibility.



up till today this still holds true.
 
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Malaysian Chinese immigrants (other than multi-generational Straits Chinese, i.e. Peranakans) had no citizenship rights during the British colonial era. Malaysia at pre-dawn to independence wanted to deport all Chinese except Peranakans. The British talked them out of that with economic and political implications too dire to bear, whatever.

get your facts right, the only reason the brits gave chinese citizenship rights was because of the communist insurgency.
 
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