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Imagine LIFE WITHOUT COE...will it be DISASTROUS?...HERE IS THE TRUTH!!!!

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Out of the few hundred cities in the world only Singapore has COE and Shanghai which recently
copied Singapore. There is no COE in MAJOR TOP CITIES like New York, Tokyo, Paris, Hong Kong, Melbourne, SEOUL.
Yet these cities retain their status and many are ranked more LIVABLE than Singapore. Even Tokyo which has 10M people in a place smaller than Singapore has no COE.....

Why is this so?

You see, without the COE, the only way to solve the problem is to improve the public transport system.
For example in Paris, there is a subway station within walking distance in almost any part of the city and
driving a car to your destination is actually slower than taking the public transport, this tilt the balance
so that public transport become good choice. In Hong Kong, small mini-buses able to stop almost anyway
make it ultra-convenient for commuter. In Seoul, the making the public transport so good, it discourages
people from driving cars is a primary goal.

So what actually happened in Singapore:

1. Once the COE system in place, the PAP could by brute force limit the number of cars.
2. This take away incentive of the PAP to upgrade the public transport infrastructure spectacularly
to encourage people to take the public transport.
3. They went on to privatise it into a profit making enterprise.
4. Singapore build up a class of ultra-rich to whom a $100K COE is basically nothing and this
system favors this class as it keeps our roads smooth and exclusive.
5. The struggling classes sometimes need a car due to children, elder parents, disabled members of family
...the are priced out of the car market. Creating a great mismatch between needs and allocation.

A top WORLD CLASS CITY is sometimes judged by this simple criteria:

A place where the public transport is so good, even people who can easily afford a car choose to take
the public transport.



But in Singapore the TRUTH is this:

It is a place where the public transport system is so crowded, packed and inconvenient, people would do anything
to get a car even borrow hundreds of thousands to buy one.


The PAP has created a misincentive for themselves by using a pre-text that if there are too many cars on our road,
it will be too congested. The truth is if the public transport system was up to mark and there was sufficient infrastructure investment,
there wouldn't that high a demand for cars and the road congestion would be manageable. Here is the vicious cycle ...once COE is in place,
the PAP didn't even bother with the public transport it already had it privatised and turn it into a for-profit enterprise.
This whole thing turned into a highly EXTRACTIVE system, in which those who have the need for cars either pay through their nose or were not
able to fulfil their needs. On the one hand it caused misery to those with a need for cars ...on the other it filled the govt coffers with the revenue extracted from the people.

This are about there are 200+ similar cities in the world NONE OF THEM NEEDED COE...
 
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Did you actually ever drive in those cities you mentioned? It's a nightmare x 10 except for Melbourne!

But yes, in general i agree. There should be more incentives and conveniences to encourage people to use alternative modes of transport. We can see all kind of projects in progress right now, the government should have started them much earlier though.
 
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Did you actually ever drive in those cities you mentioned? It's a nightmare x 10 except for Melbourne!

But yes, in general i agree. There should be more incentives and conveniences to encourage people to use alternative modes of transport. We can see all kind of projects in progress right now, the government should have started them much earlier though.

It is a choice to drive in those cities. And with viable alternative, most people use the subway.
In sinkapore, our transit used to be comfortable and efficient. But lack of investment has led to its current degraded state. Our taxis were affordable. The fares have skyrocketed. What choice are we left with? The private car.
 
If the COE had been properly managed, there won't be those bad traffic congestion today. And I had also advocate that there should only be either the COE or ERP, but not both. Bloody PAP just wants to milk us dry that's all.
 
Need to reduce vehicle on road by 5~10%. Also should increase parking price by double.
Current parking charge is too low compare to 1st world class standard.
So those buying car still need to pay even they dont drive.
 
I really cannot take it now. Traffic from bad become worst and soon will be hell traffic.
 
Did you actually ever drive in those cities you mentioned? It's a nightmare x 10 except for Melbourne!

But yes, in general i agree. There should be more incentives and conveniences to encourage people to use alternative modes of transport. We can see all kind of projects in progress right now, the government should have started them much earlier though.

U obviously have not driven in Melbourne before. Gridlock traffic in the city area, couple with impatient rude melburnian drivers make every drive in the city area a war like experience.
 
New York city

Total Area: 1,213 km2 (468.5 sq mi)

Tokyo

Metropolis
2,187.66 km2 (844.66 sq mi)

Metro
13,572 km2 (5,240 sq mi)

Hong Kong

Total Area: 1,104 km2 (426 sq mi)

Melbourne

Total Area: 9,990 km2 (3,857.2 sq mi)

Seoul

Total Area: 605.21 km2 (233.67 sq mi)

Singapore

Total Area: 710 km2 (274 sq mi)

[video=youtube;d5Khgu3gz48]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5Khgu3gz48[/video]

Topsage really retarded.
 
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[video=youtube;CnQ_5DNbEq4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnQ_5DNbEq4[/video]
 
New York city

Total Area: 1,213 km2 (468.5 sq mi)

Tokyo

Metropolis
2,187.66 km2 (844.66 sq mi)

Metro
13,572 km2 (5,240 sq mi)

Hong Kong

Total Area: 1,104 km2 (426 sq mi)

Melbourne

Total Area: 9,990 km2 (3,857.2 sq mi)

Seoul

Total Area: 605.21 km2 (233.67 sq mi)

Singapore

Total Area: 710 km2 (274 sq mi)

[video=youtube;d5Khgu3gz48]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5Khgu3gz48[/video]

Topsage really retarded.

Agree! He cannot afford car KPKB here.
COE is the best policy LKY enforce. But his son LHL mess up with it increase quota 10 year back.
If no today there will no such traffic jam in SG.
 
PAP create COE and make Sinkieporean Kiasu mentality, those early days
in Sinkiepore there was no COE there was no jam, U can purchase a Lancer for $8500.00 brand new
a Mercedes 230 for $22.000.00 that was in the 70s! Car were cheap than compare to today's standard
but ppl dont rush to buy cars?? why today ?? with sky high PAP Blackmail COE!!

Later PAP create PARF/ARF, You need to purchase a physical Scrap car to buy a New car remember???
This policy was obsolete but still inforced why ??money!! involved!!
PARF AND ARF was add on to the COE!! Than PAP added Custom duty?? ROV tax?? GST?? a $15K OMV in
Sinkieland cost $150,000.00 never happened anywhere in the world except Sickapoor!!! in the hands of the Pay And Pay!!

One failure add on to the other Sinkieporean were sleeping? no protest? anyway u cant protest
against this PAP policy! or you ll have free food and lodging at Moon Crescent!
 
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[video=youtube;6je9J-C645k]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6je9J-C645k[/video]
 
[video=youtube;OSGUPf53PsA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSGUPf53PsA[/video]
 
[video=youtube;NSwJtjJFln4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSwJtjJFln4[/video]
 
Even Tokyo which has 10M people in a place smaller than Singapore.......

Another lies from Topsage



Singapore

Total Area: 710 km2 (274 sq mi)

Population

- 2012 estimate 5,312,400
- Density 7,315[5]/km2 18,943/sq mi


Tokyo

Metropolis
2,187.66 km2 (844.66 sq mi)

Metro
13,572 km2 (5,240 sq mi)


Population


• Metropolis
13,185,502

• Density
6,000/km2 (16,000/sq mi)

• Metro
35,682,460

• Metro density
2,629/km2 (6,810/sq mi
 
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crazy f*cking log jam in sf these days with the opening of the new eastern span of the sf-oakland bay bridge. :*:

it's a breeze in sg. :rolleyes:
 
The PAP government have been using the 'stick' approach while setting policies, as it enables them to enrich their coffers. Nothing wrong with that, till basic necessities, like housing becomes priced out of reach to the common man due to the indirect effect of such policies. Another sticking point is cars in SG where 3/4's of the car price after coe and taxes goes directly to the government. It's high time the government critically relook these policies, as they have been the main drivers for inflation in recent years. And it can only get worse with a higher population.
 
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All the above video proven Topsage are telling lies.

Weak argument based on a couple of videos and a shamble of statistics. Can you at least argue coherently. You reflect badly on the pro-PAP faction, because you sound like a illiterate fuck.

ps. It's another lie not lies. Your quoted statement would be better worded as 'Every single one of the videos above prove that Topsage is lying.' I recommend a short course in the British Council to improve your guttural english.
 
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