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If you were Lt Gen. Arthur Percival at that time of war, what would you do?

The whole thing is everyone had their own agenda.. Do the Indian Sepoy solders continue to be British mercenaries? They came here not for Singapore but as Force soilders. Do the Chinese care about Singapore or the Anti-Japanese Sentiment or join the British who also had a bad history with them in China? The Malays... Fight which invader? The japs or the British.. This is one big reason why Multiracial Singapore fell. No one was United.. Everyone had their own agenda..The British too for Monetary reasons was in Singapore, so letting Singapore fall wasnt really a big deal other then knowing that the respect for them in this Country wont be the same again after they ran away from this Country. The japs was smart cos they didnt disturb the local Population other then the Chinese, who wasnt united with the Indians and Malays both on this island and Malaya.

Plus the Jap's Propaganda seen to had worked very well on This Island with the help of LKY and the Rich Chinese Elites, who was also divided into two.. One was for China and the other was for their own survival. It was a screwed up war and British fighting on so many Theaters around the world couldnt have WON against the Japs.
 
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No surrender, cause jap dun treat POW as human, better die a quick death than slow death. Japs are inhuman.
 
there were 100,000 british troops vs 20,000 Japs in Malaya, even the most retard commander should be able to hold and fight and not rush to the decision of surrender. The british are useless.



the REAL reason why the Brits surrendered is becoz......................


the weather very very hot...........................
 
Football season just started ...
The local pubs have run out of beer ...
 
the REAL reason why the Brits surrendered is becoz......................

the weather very very hot...........................

Yamashita: Why the hell are you wearing short pants at war?

Percival: Because the weather's too hot here for us.

Yamashita: (Banging table...) Then quickly surrender and sign here.

Percival: OK, on.
 
Yamashita: Why the hell are you wearing short pants at war?

Percival: Because the weather's too hot here for us.

Yamashita: (Banging table...) Then quickly surrender and sign here.

Percival: OK, on.




salah liao.....................



Yamashita :

''Percival.................lucky you surrender 1st...................i almost wanna surrender too.......................fighting in this kind of weather is NUTS....................''
 
dun like that....the malay regiment were heroes
And even more sadly, very few know or remember them. Ironically, the ones working for the japs are still alive and kicking and getting million dollar salaries for over half a decade.
 
That's My Concern Too

the REAL reason why the Brits surrendered is becoz......................


the weather very very hot...........................


A mug of beer with ice cubes in it is refreshing. The overall morale will be high.
 
43 of them i know died in bukit something. daddy never study history

About 50,000 Chinese died somewhere, mostly Woodlands or Changi. Can't remember their names. Your daddy didn't really studied and memorized history and math to remember so much and count so much. Lucky your grand daddy killed a few of them escaped alive. Otherwise we won't be here today.
 
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singapore was suppose to a fortress for the british empire in the far east. so i find it strange that the supplies of war materials can run out in just 10-12 weeks of fighting. to surrender to an enemy that the british outnumber 3-1 bloody lose face. And he positioned his units on the northeast coast when logic would be the northwest coast as the straits of johor is the narrowest there and capturing there would place the IJA in the position to capture bukit timah hill, highest point on the island and also the reserviors. Once capture bukit timah hill, IJA just have to travel down bukit timah road to singpore town proper.

even he wanted to surrender, he should at least allow his men the option to fight on. Open the warehouses, let whoever have fight in their stomach to carry on the resistance. Even the amercian did that, so when macarthur return, there about 50-80k armed filipinos waiting for him. compare to the american, all the british did was provide arms to its enemy, the commies, who later use the same weapons against the british forces after WW2.

no matter what sort of records percival have in WW1, he was totally outclass by yamashita in WW2.
 
singapore was suppose to a fortress for the british empire in the far east. so i find it strange that the supplies of war materials can run out in just 10-12 weeks of fighting. to surrender to an enemy that the british outnumber 3-1 bloody lose face. And he positioned his units on the northeast coast when logic would be the northwest coast as the straits of johor is the narrowest there and capturing there would place the IJA in the position to capture bukit timah hill, highest point on the island and also the reserviors. Once capture bukit timah hill, IJA just have to travel down bukit timah road to singpore town proper.

even he wanted to surrender, he should at least allow his men the option to fight on. Open the warehouses, let whoever have fight in their stomach to carry on the resistance. Even the amercian did that, so when macarthur return, there about 50-80k armed filipinos waiting for him. compare to the american, all the british did was provide arms to its enemy, the commies, who later use the same weapons against the british forces after WW2.

no matter what sort of records percival have in WW1, he was totally outclass by yamashita in WW2.

Look at the map. Japan had Malaya and Indonesia, the straits and seas at that time. Those in Singapore, eat what and drink what? Philippines is different, it's so big and self-sufficient in food and water.
 
Look at the map. Japan had Malaya and Indonesia, the straits and seas at that time. Those in Singapore, eat what and drink what? Philippines is different, it's so big and self-sufficient in food and water.

Japan invaded Indon around the same time as Malaya but they conquered Dutch East Indies AFTER surrender of Singapore.

At that time Netherlands had already capitulated, so its only a matter of time Dutch East Indies fell to Jap. But if they u-turn to invade Singapore from the sea, maybe the guns can finally get to be used after all.
 
Japan invaded Indon around the same time as Malaya but they conquered Dutch East Indies AFTER surrender of Singapore.

At that time Netherlands had already capitulated, so its only a matter of time Dutch East Indies fell to Jap. But if they u-turn to invade Singapore from the sea, maybe the guns can finally get to be used after all.

You're right. Yamashita got it right too that the Dutch were too sissie to put up any fight. Percival was right too that the Dutch were too sissie to put up any fight. Couldn't be relied upon. Indonesia was sure to fall. But I do agree, Percival was earlier wrong to think that Yamashita would invade Singapore from the sea first. It was logical military deduction and anticipation. Capture Singapore as base, then from it invade Malaya and Indonesia. But it didn't happen that way. Yamashita got it right and better than Percival as a general and strategist, that I agree too. Japan had many good generals and admirals. They lost the whole war in the end because their politicians got carried away and didn't know when to stop when they were ahead and had the chips.

Between Percival and Yamashita, I'd choose Yamashita of course. Between Percival and Choot Chew Khee Chew, I'd rather surrender with Percival.
 
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Re: Sam Leong Could Have Attacked This

The Sook Ching massacre was a systematic extermination of perceived hostile elements among the Chinese in Singapore by the Japanese military during the Japanese Occupation of Singapore, after the British colony surrendered on 15 February 1942 during the Second World War. Sook Ching was later extended to include Chinese Malayans as well. The massacre took place from 18 February to 4 March 1942 at various places in the region.

The term Sook Ching means "a purge through cleansing" in Chinese and it was referred to as the Kakyōshukusei , or "purging of Chinese") by the Japanese. The Japanese also referred to it as the Shingapōru Daikenshō , lit. "great inspection of Singapore".

Although the term "Sook Ching" appeared as early as 1946, it was not commonly used in the Chinese press or other publications until the 1980s. The National Heritage Board of Singapore uses this term in its publications.

The memories of those who lived through war years have been captured at exhibition galleries in Memories at Old Ford Factory, the site of the former factory where the British surrendered to the Japanese on 15 February 1942.

The current Japanese term for the massacre is Shingapōru Kakyōgyakusatsujiken , literally "(the) Singapore Chinese massacre".

There is no dispute in scholarly circles that the massacre took place. However, Japanese and Singaporean sources disagree about the death toll. According to Hirofumi Hayashi (see next section), the Japanese Ministry of Foreign Affairs "accepted that the Japanese military had carried out mass killings in Singapore...During negotiations with Singapore, the Japanese government rejected demands for reparations but agreed to make a “gesture of atonement” by providing funds in other ways."
Planning of the massacre

Hayashi Hirofumi is professor of politics at Kanto-Gakuin University and the Co-Director of the Center for Research and Documentation on Japan’s War Responsibility. He writes that the massacre was planned beforehand, and that "the Chinese in Singapore were regarded as anti-Japanese even before the Japanese military landed." It is also clear from the passage below that the massacre was to be extended also to the Chinese in Malaya.


the purge was planned before Japanese troops landed in Singapore. The military government section of the 25th Army had already drawn up a plan entitled, "Implementation Guideline for Manipulating Overseas Chinese" on or around 28 December 1941.[9] This guideline stated that anyone who failed to obey or cooperate with the occupation authorities should be eliminated. It is clear that the headquarters of the 25th Army had decided on a harsh policy toward the Chinese population of Singapore and Malaya from the beginning of the war. According to Onishi Satoru,[10] the Kempeitai officer in charge of the Jalan Besar screening centre, Kempeitai commander Oishi Masayuki was instructed by the chief of staff, Suzuki Sosaku, at Keluang, Johor, to prepare for a purge following the capture of Singapore. Although the exact date of this instruction is not known, the Army headquarters was stationed in Keluang from 28 January to 4 February 1942...

Clearly, then, the Singapore Massacre was not the conduct of a few evil people, but was consistent with approaches honed and applied in the course of a long period of Japanese aggression against China and subsequently applied to other Asian countries. To sum up the points developed above, the Japanese military, in particular the 25th Army, made use of the purge to remove prospective anti-Japanese elements and to threaten local Chinese and others in order to swiftly impose military administration.


Definition of target group

After the Japanese military occupied Singapore, they were aware that the local ethnic Chinese held strong loyalty to either Britain or the Republic of China. Some wealthy Chinese had been financing the Chinese National Revolutionary Army led by Chiang Kai-Shek in the Second Sino-Japanese War through a series of fund-raising propagandist events. The Japanese military authorities, led by General Tomoyuki Yamashita, decided on a policy of "eliminating" those who harboured strong anti-Japanese sentiments.

The Japanese military authorities defined the following as "undesirables":
Activists in the China Relief Fund.
Wealthy men who had contributed generously to the Fund.
Adherents of Tan Kah Kee, leader of the Nanyang National Salvation Movement.
Hainanese, perceived to be communists.
China-born Chinese who came to Malaya after the Second Sino-Japanese War.
Men with tattoos, perceived to be Triad members (Chinese gangsters)
Chinese who joined the Singapore Overseas Chinese Anti-Japanese Volunteer Army.
Civil servants and those who were likely to sympathise with the British, such as Justices of the Peace, and members of the Legislative Council.
People who possessed arms and were likely to disrupt public security.


Gen. Yamashita instructed the Syonan garrison to cooperate with the Syonan Kempeitai, the Japanese military police to "punish hostile Chinese severely".
The "screening"

After the fall of Singapore, Lieutenant-Colonel Masayuki Oishi, commander of No. 2 Field Kempeitai, set up his headquarters in the YMCA Building at Stamford Road as the Kempeitai East District Branch. The Kempeitai prison was in Outram with branches in Stamford Road, Chinatown and the Central Police Station. A residence at the intersection of Smith Street and New Bridge Road formed the Kempeitai West District Branch.

Under Lieutenant-Colonel Oishi's command were 200 regular Kempeitai officers and another 1000 auxiliaries who were mostly young and rough peasant soldiers. Singapore was divided into sectors with each sector under the control of an officer. The Japanese set up designated "screening centers" all over Singapore to gather and "screen" all Chinese males between the ages of 18 and 50.
Those who were thought to be "anti-Japanese" would be eliminated. Sometimes, women and children were also sent for inspection as well.

The following passage is from an article from the National Heritage Board:

The inspection methods were indiscriminate and non-standardised. Sometimes, hooded informants identified suspected anti-Japanese Chinese; other times, Japanese officers singled out “suspicious” characters at their whim and fancy. Those who survived the inspection walked with “examined” stamped on their faces, arms or clothing; others were issued a certificate. The unfortunate ones were taken to remote places like Changi and Punggol, and unceremoniously killed in batches.


According to the A Country Study: Singapore published by the Federal Research Division of the Library of Congress:


All Chinese males from ages eighteen to fifty were required to report to registration camps for screening. The Japanese or military police arrested those alleged to be anti-Japanese, meaning those who were singled out by informers or who were teachers, journalists, intellectuals, or even former servants of the British. Some were imprisoned, but most were executed.


The ones who passed the "screening" would receive a piece of paper bearing the word "Examined" or have a square ink mark stamped on their arms or shirts. Those who failed would be stamped with triangular marks instead. They would be separated from the others and packed into trucks near the centers and sent to the killing sites.
The killings

There were several sites for the killings, the most notable ones being Changi Beach Park, Punggol Beach and Sentosa (or Pulau Blakang Mati). The Punggol Beach Massacre cost the lives of 300 to 400 Chinese, who were shot at Punggol Beach on 28 February 1942 by the Hojo Kempei firing squad. The victims were some of the 1000 Chinese males detained by the Japanese after a door-to-door search along Upper Serangoon Road. Several of these men had tattoos, a sign that they could be Triad members.

The current site of the popular Changi Beach Park was the site of one of the most brutal killings in Singapore's history. On 20 February 1942, 66 Chinese males were lined up along the edge of the sea and shot by the military police. The beach was the first of the killing sites of the Sook Ching massacre, with another one at Tanah Merah. Another site was Berhala Reping at Sentosa Beach (now Serapong Golf Course after land reclamation). Surrendered British gunners awaiting Japanese internment buried some 300 bullet-ridden corpses washed up on the shore of Sentosa. They were civilians who were transported from the docks at Tanjong Pagar to be killed at sea nearby.

In a quarterly newsletter, the National Heritage Board of Singapore published the account of the life story of a survivor named Chia Chew Soo whose father, uncles, aunts, brothers and sisters were bayoneted one by one by Japanese soldiers in Simpang Village.
This is a strong testimony that many killings by the Japanese were indiscriminate.
Extension to Malaya

At the behest of Lieutenant-Colonel Tsuji Masanobu, the Japanese High Command's Chief of Planning and Operations, Sook Ching was extended to the rest of Malaya, particularly Penang. However, in these rural areas the population was less concentrated and hence the Japanese lacked sufficient time and manpower to conduct a full "screening" of the Chinese population. The Japanese still proceeded with a widespread indiscriminate massacre of the Chinese population though. The killings ceased on 3 March.
Death toll

The figures of the death toll vary. Official Japanese statistics show fewer than 5000 while the Singaporean Chinese community claims the numbers to be around 100,000. Lee Kuan Yew, the founding Prime Minister who ruled Singapore from 1959 to 1990, said in a Discovery Channel programme that the estimated death toll was, "Somewhere between 50,000 to 100,000 young men, Chinese".

In an interview on 6 July 2009 with National Geographic, Lee Kuan Yew said:
I was a Chinese male, tall and the Japanese were going for people like me because Singapore had been the centre for the collection of ethnic Chinese donations to Chongqing to fight the Japanese. So they were out to punish us. They slaughtered 70,000 - perhaps as high as 90,000 but verifiable numbers would be about 70,000. But for a stroke of fortune, I would have been one of them..TRANSCRIPT OF MINISTER MENTOR LEE KUAN YEW’S INTERVIEW WITH MARK JACOBSON FROM NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC ON 6 JULY 2009 (FOR NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC MAGAZINE JAN 2010 EDITION)

Hirofumi Hayashi in another paper says that the death toll "needs further investigation".

According to the diary of the Singapore garrison commander, Major General Kawamura Saburo, the total number reported to him as killed by the various Kempeitai section commanders on 23 February was five thousand. This was the third day of mop-up operations when executions were mostly finished. It is said in Singapore that the total number killed was forty or fifty thousand; this point needs further investigations.

Having witnessed the brutality of the Japanese, Lee made the following comments: "But they also showed a meanness and viciousness towards their enemies equal to the Huns'. Genghis Khan and his hordes could not have been more merciless. I have no doubts about whether the two atom bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were necessary. Without them, hundreds of thousands of civilians in Malaya and Singapore, and millions in Japan itself, would have perished.
Aftermath

In 1947, after the Japanese surrender, the British authorities in Singapore held a war crimes trial for the perpetrators of the Sook Ching Massacre. Seven Japanese officers - Lieutenant-General Takuma Nishimura, Lieutenant-General Saburo Kawamura, Lieutenant-Colonel Masayuki Oishi, Lieutenant-Colonel Yoshitaka Yokata, Major Tomotatsu Jo, Major Satoru Onishi and Captain Haruji Hisamatsu were charged with the execution of the massacre.

Kawamura and Oishi received the death penalty while the other five received life sentences (Nishimura was later convicted for his role in the Parit Sulong massacre by an Australian military court and was sentenced to death). The court accepted the defence statement of "just following orders" by those put on trial. . The death convicts were hanged on 26 June 1947. The British authorities allowed only six members of the victims' families to witness the executions of Kawamura and Oishi despite calls for the hangings to be made public .

When Singapore gained full self-government from British colonial government in 1959, waves of anti-Japanese sentiments brewed within the Chinese community and they demanded reparations and an apology from Japan. The British colonial government had demanded only war reparations from Japan for damage caused to British property during the war before Singapore's independence. The Japanese Foreign Ministry denied Singapore's request for an apology and reparations in 1963, stating that the issue of war reparations with the British had already been settled in the San Francisco Treaty in 1951 and hence with Singapore as well, which was then still a British colony. But now, it is not.

Singapore's Prime Minister Lee Kuan Yew responded by saying that the British colonial government did not represent the voice of Singaporeans. In September 1963, the Chinese community staged a boycott of Japanese goods but it lasted only seven days. With Singapore's full independence from Malaysia on 9 August 1965, the Government of Singapore made another request to Japan for reparations and an apology. On 25 October 1966, Japan agreed to pay $50 million in compensation, half of which as a grant and the other half as a loan. Japan did not make an official apology.

The remains of the victims of the Sook Ching Massacre have been unearthed by locals decades after the massacre. The most recent finding was in late 1997, when a man looking for earthworms to use as fishing bait found a skull, two gold teeth, an arm and a leg. The massacre sites of Sentosa, Changi and Punggol were marked as heritage sites by the National Monuments of Singapore in 1995 to commemorate the end of the Japanese Occupation.
Historical Destiny of Singapore

The massacre and its post-war judicial handling by the colonial British administration incensed the Chinese community. The Discovery Channel programme commented about its historic impact on local Chinese: "They felt the Japanese spilling of so much Chinese blood on Singapore soil has given them the moral claim to the island that hasn't existed before the war". Lee Kuan Yew said on the Discovery Channel programme, "It was the catastrophic consequences of the war that changed the mindset, that my generation decided that, 'No...this doesn't make sense. We should be able to run this [island] as well as the British did, if not better.'" "The Asiatics had looked to them for leadership, and they had failed them."

Germaine Foo-Tan writes in an article carried on the Ministry of Defence (MINDEF) website:


While the speedy defeat of the British in Singapore was a shocking revelation to the local population, and the period of the Japanese Occupation arguably the darkest time for Singapore, these precipitated the development of political consciousness with an urgency not felt before. The British defeat and the fall of what was regarded as an invincible fortress rocked the faith of the local population in the ability of the British to protect them. Coupled with the secret and sudden evacuation of British soldiers, women and children from Penang, there was the uneasy realisation that the colonial masters could not be relied upon to defend the locals. The Japanese slogan "Asia for Asians" awoke many to the realities of colonial rule, that "however kind the masters were, the Asians were still second class in their own country"(5). Slowly, the local population became more aware of the need to have a bigger say in charting their destinies. The post-war years witnessed a political awakening and growing nationalistic feelings among the populace which in turn paved the way for the emergence of political parties and demands for self-rule in the 1950s and 1960s.

The war and the Japanese Occupation will always remain etched in our memories that just as we must ourselves defend our homeland, only we can chart our own future.
 
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