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"I maintain my integrity" Con Hee greeted with standing ovation

Narong Wongwan

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Thousands still showing support for KH. Brainwashed? That's just too simplistic an argument for such a large figure.

Waiting to see the turn...fold,call or raise?

I am hoping Con Hee will show hand all in...
He might be thinking he got an ace up his sleeve with 33000 zombie fighters.
I am also hoping for a heavy hand from MIWs.
Maximum sentence for him and the rest.
Confiscate CHC assets.
Outlaw and ban all the conmen mega churches.
 

Narong Wongwan

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Bro, like that the bayi Prince will be shitting in his pants. And magician Khong also got to keep a low profile.

If Christian cults like JWs, Mormons and Moonies are outlawed and banned here...
Why not ban these blasphemous prosperity cults also?
 

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14,000 people turn up for City Harvest services (not 33,000 - what happen?)

CITY Harvest Church members rallied over the weekend, with 14,000 people attending English and Chinese worship services.

Some 13,500 packed the English services at Singapore Expo's Max Atria yesterday morning and Saturday evening. Church founding pastor Kong Hee, 47, preached at both services.

His deputy, Tan Ye Peng, 39, preached at a Chinese service in Jurong West yesterday.

Both men and three other church leaders were charged in court last Wednesday with allegedly misappropriating funds worth $50.6 million.

Of this, $24 million was allegedly misused from the church's building fund, largely to fund the music career of singer Ho Yeow Sun, Kong's wife. The church is a registered charity.

A City Harvest spokesman said the Commissioner of Charities was aware that Kong and Tan were preaching yesterday.

About 45 minutes before yesterday's 10am service, Kong tweeted: "Give me strength for today, Lord."

At the sermon's start, he said last Saturday's service was "great" and added: "God, how am I going to replicate what happened (on Saturday)?"

Still, yesterday's service was lively, with Kong receiving at least two standing ovations.

Kong, who appeared mostly calm and pensive, reiterated his Saturday messages. For instance, he said: "I do maintain my integrity."

He also said: "You have no idea how broken I feel, standing before all of you. I just want to be here to thank you for your love and support for me, for Sun, for the leadership."

He ended his sermon by inviting on stage his wife, who led the congregation in worship songs.

For the finale, he chose an old favourite, Father Make Us One.

After the service, Kong tweeted "the answer to prayer is in the knocking", quoting text from the Bible.

A church-goer of nine years, Abel, 23, told my paper that yesterday's service was no different from those of other weeks, although there was an emphasis on church unity.

Tan said at the Chinese service he had been under tremendous stress for the past two years, Lianhe Wanbao reported.

He was alluding to investigations starting back in 2010.

However, Tan said he had been coping through prayers.
 

shawna

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Re: 14,000 people turn up for City Harvest services (not 33,000 - what happen?)

A church-goer of nine years, Abel, 23, told my paper that yesterday's service was no different from those of other weeks, although there was an emphasis on church unity

sounds like con hee and sun whore are guilty b/c they emphasise on "church unity"

the crowd has shrunk by more than half. amazing how the saga has deep impact on people's believes.
 

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Re: 14,000 people turn up for City Harvest services (not 33,000 - what happen?)

I think 33000 is the no. of registered members.
 

shawna

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the crowd has shrunk more than half. ONLY 14,000 members attended the service yesterday. looks like the saga has deepened doubts on the church goers' believes in these couple.
 

shawna

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Re: What makes Aries Zulkarnain statement could affect the court judgement

The statement by Mr Aries was posted on the church's website and sent to the media. In it, he addressed the allegations and maintained that the church did not lose any funds in the alleged transactions. He also said the accused did not make any personal profit.

why would the judge believe on aries' statement? he will be required to show evidence that all the funds returned back to the church.by making statement like that he is inviting for investigation
 

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Heard from insider news, alot of opposition supporters support government this time.a

ll cheers for our gov for taking actionon CHC.
same here, i stand by our gov side.crush down on chc.good and humble christians dont link themselves to chc.
 
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Below is a very impressive and in-depth analysis from a enterprise perspective by a christian blogger from http://therealsingapore.com/content/...harvest-church ::...


An in-depth analysis into the wealth of City Harvest Church

Although I am aware that City Harvest is one of the richest churches in Singapore, I am still shocked that it is rich enough to pay SGD310 million for a stake in Suntec City. Nevertheless, an entity which is able to amass such wealth is certainly worth studying. I was determined to understand the secrets to the church's wealth.



I apologize upfront if the points raised give offense to loyal followers of City Harvest Church. Please regard this article as a business analysis of the factors that contribute to the wealth of City Harvest Church, not as an insinuation that the Church got rich through questionable means. The fact is that CHC is very rich and this makes for a fascinating academic exercise to examine its sources of wealth. Just treat it as a business case study. I have tried my best to stick to the facts. Please correct me if there are factual mistakes. However, if there are differences in opinions, please disagree with courtesy.



1. Clever packaging of Sunday services

The income of a church is dependent on the tithes collected (10% of income from church-members). Therefore, the earning power of a church is highly dependent on its ability to retain its existing church members and attract new ones. The larger the church membership, the greater its earnings.



I watched a sample of CHC weekend service on its website. Compared to the boring Sunday classes I attended as a kid, CHC church service was most refreshing (Watch "The 10 Laws Of The Harvest"). The beginning part resembles a rock concert with good singing and enthusiastic audience. It is an entertaining way to enjoy your Sunday mornings. Going to church becomes a weekly event to look forward to rather than a chore to attend to.



With church services so well packaged for its customers, its customer retention rate and new customer acquisition figures should look good.



2. Extra revenue in the form of advertisements, sales of CDs

This church is unlike the other churches I know. It generates extra revenue through advertisements during its Sunday service(watch the videos). It sells audio CDs on its website. There is an online shopping cart for convenience to those who want to buy online.



3. Efficient collection of tithes

Church-members can pay their tithe online via credit card, eNets or even Giro!! Once members started donating using Giro, the earnings quality of the church improves. Donation collected via Giro tend to be more stable.



With a globalised economy, people travel round the world a lot and may miss Sunday services. In the past, the churches will lose income when these members fail to turn up to pay their tithe. Now, with online payment, they can continue collecting the tithe even when the church-member is working overseas for an extended period of time. With Giro, the church can continue collecting tithes for a few more months even when the member leaves the church as people have a habit of forgetting what they pay on Giro.



4. 30-fold, 60-fold, 100-fold returns on your church donations

This is where the genius of CHC lies and the secret to its superior earning power. In fact, I have yet to encounter any public-listed company on SGX, HKSE, NYSE, Nasdaq that demonstrates better potential.



The pastor preaches that God will give 30-fold, 60-fold, 100-fold returns on your tithe. But, you have to be generous in your donations first so that you will receive in harvest proportions. I guess that is the origin of the name City Harvest. Please watch the video "The 10 Laws Of The Harvest" yourself in its entirety and interpret for yourself.



It is a message that cleverly uses an astute understanding of human nature to maximize profits. If I were a CHC member, I will be tempted to increase my tithe as much as possible. Not mincing my words, I am doing it out of pure greed. I do not think I will be alone. It is perfectly fine if members of CHC strongly disagree and thinks that I am not representative for most of them. After all, I can only speak for myself.



5. Quality of customers

With the 100-fold return message, the kind of church members attracted will be most conducive to profit-making. Money-minded people will be attracted to the church. These money-minded people tend to be ambitious and have a great desire to make lots of money. Millionaire minds have a higher chance to become rich. Hence, the quality of customers that CHC attracts are of the highest quality. The richer the church-member, the higher is the church's tithe per member.



Customer quality will be enhanced through the passage of time due to survivor bias. Suppose out of this pool of Millionaire-Mind Christians, 50% become satisfactorily rich and the remaining 50% still unsatisfactorily middle-class. The 50% who got rich will donate even more because they think their source of wealth comes from their donations. It is most unlikely they will cut back on their tithes because they will be afraid God will punish them by cutting back the returns. If they are not afraid, the church will be there to warn them not to do so. The remaining 50% who did not get rich will be disillusioned and probably leave the church. The loss is of little significance to the church. These people are not rich and their tithes will not amount to much.



Many Christians will be disgusted with the concept of using tithes to get rich. These people will probably leave the church after attending a few Sunday services. Again, the loss is of little significance to CHC. These people will not be highly profitable to the church even if they are rich because they are not going to tithe as much as the others who believe their tithes is the way to wealth.



To the credit of the Pastor, I think he has devised a wonderful process of filtering out non-profitable customers and sucking in the lucrative ones. There is only so much physical space that a church can have to service its church-members. To maximize profits, the church has to ensure that each unit of space is used for servicing lucrative customers.



6. Kill off competition

CHC has tremendous economic moat that kills off competition. In the video "The 10 Laws of The Harvest", the Pastor cited Law #5 "Your Seed must be planted in Good Ground" which is an effective weapon in killing off his competition - the smaller churches. Many Christians feel that they ought to donate to the needy, smaller churches rather than rich mega-churches like CHC. The Pastor's argument is that you do not get good returns like 100-fold in the small churches. You have to donate to mega-churches to maximize returns on your tithe because they have a track record (rich church members). In other words, the seed is not planted in good ground when you donate to the small churches. In his own words, "I don't always give to the neediest but to the ground that will give the greatest yield". To illustrate his point, he used an analogy on weak banks and strong banks. You do not deposit your money in a weak bank because it desperately needs fresh funds to survive. You deposit your money in a strong bank which invests your money wisely and yields good returns.



The church has an iron-grip on its members who believe its message. As illustrated previously, its customer base is of the highest quality. This is its track record. Existing church-members will definitely not move to another smaller, needier church with poorer track record.

It has a very strong economic moat as it is very hard for its competitors to get its customers to switch over.



7. Providing a place where the rich can network

As the Pastor said, his church provides a good ground on which you can grow your riches. Rightly so, indeed. For property agents or insurance agents trying to hit their sales quota, City Harvest Church will be an ideal place to hunt for lucrative clients. This church concentrates several rich and money-minded people into a single location. The church offers a unique advantage to sell things. In a religious setting, people tend less to be on their guard and can be more easily persuaded to part with their money.





Businessmen also like to network in places where there are rich and powerful people who will come in handy in future. The Pastor has done a good job in gathering such people in his church and it makes good sense to make use of this advantage by joining the church.





The rich will attract more rich and the gathering moss snowballs to provide an ever-rising pool of donation to the church.



8. Preach what people like to hear.

As a teenager, I was discouraged when I read Bible verses like Matthew 19:23-24 "I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God." and Matthew 6:24 "No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and wealth."



It seems like if I become rich, I will be condemned to hell.



In the video "Rich God? Poor God?", the Pastor preaches that it is absolutely ok to be rich. Some prophets of God were very rich. (Abraham, David, Solomon)



There is nothing more musical to a money-minded person than to hear that God is on your side in your pursuit of money. The church-members who are more money-minded will love this and donate even more.



9. God pays for the returns, not the church.

The church collects the money, but God pays for the returns. The church does not need to pay a single cent for the 30-fold, 60-fold, 100-fold returns on the donations.

This is as good as you do the work for me, but not only do I not pay you, I shall also collect your salary. You toil and sweat, but I shall eat your bread. God must surely be a miracle worker and people will pay handsomely for his service. I cannot think of a more advantageous economic position to be in to be able to collect money rendered by a miracle worker.



10. Social pressure to conform in church settings and ease of influence

If everyone around you donates, it is hard not to. When everyone else makes sacrifice, the one who does not will look like an outcast. There is tremendous pressure to conform in such a herd setting.



11. Tremendous future earning power

Take a look at the congregation and you will notice the large number of young people. The income growth of young people is the fastest in the population. In the Pastor's words, "You may be poor today, but you will not be poor all your life". That is a long-term business plan in cultivating its customers.



Therefore, if CHC can be viewed as a growth stock, its prospects are very bright as its young customers will accelerate its earnings.



12. Stable earnings in times of depression

Besides being a growth stock, CHC can also be viewed as a defensive and safe stock. People pray hardest when they fall in hard times. Strangely, some people have an urge to tithe when they are in financial troubles.



In fact, in the video (The 10 Laws Of The Harvest), a couple came on stage. They talked about the dire straits they were in when they started out. Things change when God challenged them to GIVE themselves out of poverty (exact words from the speaker). Despite not having any money, they still pledged $250 to the building fund. In his own words again, "we often emptied our savings to give to the House of God knowing that this will be the answer to our financial problems". Hence, not only will the church earnings be stable in times of depression, it may even grow.



13. Using Prosperity as a theme to appeal to customers

The Pastor preaches Prosperity Gospel which resolves around money. His business genius lies in choosing this theme for his church. Money has universal appeal. Everyone worships money regardless of race, culture, age, gender, sexual orientation. In one fell swoop, he has enlarged his market to cover the entire world. It is much easier to convert people to your belief by dangling money and promising great prosperity. After all, who does not love money?



By enlarging his potential market catchment with a greater chance of increasing membership, more donations will flow in.



14. Tax benefits as church is registered as a charity

This creates a huge, unfair advantage compared to all other businesses. This is what landed CHC in controversy. Enough has been said.



If one day the Pastor switches to become a businessman, I will definitely consider investing in the company that he heads and founds.



If City Harvest Church is listed on the Singapore Stock Exchange, I will certainly buy it. It will be one stock that I am confident of hitting a return of 30-fold, 60-fold, 100-fold returns.



PS: People tend not to question critically when it comes to religion. A charming smooth talker can easily sway minds with his interpretation of the Bible. In the final analysis, Faith is about simply believing. You cannot approach it scientifically because there is no way to test religious theories using the scientific method. We will only know the real truth when judgment day comes.



The danger is that there is no accountability on the part of the preacher on whether his teachings are true or not. Even he himself cannot be sure that his interpretations is 100% correct. Given human nature, the interpretations will tend to be self-serving. In fact, it is not only dangerous to the students but to the teacher as well. People will believe their own lies if it yields tempting benefits. That was how Wall Street drank its own Kool-Aid.



While I respect the Pastor for his business savvy, I cannot agree with his interpretations of the Bible. I pray for good health, peace and harmony for my family. Money-minded as I am, I am not comfortable with commercializing my relationship with God by asking for money. The Christian God that I know from my own reading of the Bible is not 财神爷. Of course, if God wants to drop money from heaven on me, I will be more than happy to embrace it.



Source: http://thinking-free-and-fair.blogspot.sg
 

shawna

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agree to all the analysis. religion is also a business and a business has to make profits. con hee is smart to apply the status "charity" so that the gains are not taxable.
 

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Re: 14,000 people turn up for City Harvest services (not 33,000 - what happen?)

I think 33000 is the no. of registered members.

I estimate at least 20% will withdraw membership.
Those still remain either really stupid or idiot.
 

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Re: 14,000 people turn up for City Harvest services (not 33,000 - what happen?)

The only thing that he can called for apart from God's Grace is Church Unity! But that is a strong call as brainwashed idiots will create mayhem once him and his gang are prosecuted & sentenced! Then we will know how the old piece of undead shit will say this time about christians being ???????? What shit was he spouting regarding religion the last time?????????????
 

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Re: 14,000 people turn up for City Harvest services (not 33,000 - what happen?)

After the service, Kong tweeted "the answer to prayer is in the knocking", quoting text from the Bible.

Maybe KH should start learning to pray like Paul and Silas. Changi Resort had better fortify its columns and beams.

About midnight Paul and Silas were praying and singing hymns to God, and the other prisoners were listening to them. Suddenly there was such a violent earthquake that the foundations of the prison were shaken. At once all the prison doors flew open, and everybody’s chains came loose. The jailer woke up, and when he saw the prison doors open, he drew his sword and was about to kill himself because he thought the prisoners had escaped
 

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Re: 14,000 people turn up for City Harvest services (not 33,000 - what happen?)

this saga might hurt some fragile hearts. they are hiding in 1 corner pondering why KH has betray their trust.
the attendance will not be full.
 

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Re: 14,000 people turn up for City Harvest services (not 33,000 - what happen?)

Insurance agents should get the contact number of the 14,000 worshippers.
 

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Re: 14,000 people turn up for City Harvest services (not 33,000 - what happen?)

No problem. With the t-shirt sales and extra sacrificial sympathetic giving, the 14,000 who attended more than make up for those who did not attend.

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Re: 14,000 people turn up for City Harvest services (not 33,000 - what happen?)

SGPlians are mostly half hearted Christians.

If Jesus asked them to sell their HDB flats and give them to the poor.

Most people will run road. This is the level of faith in the country.

Most people pray for HDB flats instead.
 

Narong Wongwan

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Guess I missed out on the investment of the millennia.
I guess the 33,000 followers just tithe to get rich.
No need to work, cross leg shake lampar and see 'investment' grow by 100 folds.
 
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