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3 weeks ago I had already started working the numbers to estimate the true mortality rate of Covid-19.

It started off with Iceland's data which showed at least 1% of the population had caught the virus. I then estimated that the number positive in Singapore was at least 50,000.

When mass screening commenced in other cities around the world much of the data in the more densely populated regions showed an infection rate of at least 4%. However antibody results were not available at the time so there was no knowing how many more had been infected and had cleared the virus without even knowing that they were infected.

Each time the % went up it because increasingly obvious that the infection was way less lethal than was originally thought.

As each day has passed the estimates on the percentage infected has crept up and as the figures notched upwards it points to the obvious conclusion that herd immunity is the right way to go because shielding the population from the virus now means only one thing ie that the country that does so will end up being far more vulnerable in the weeks and months to come.

What is still not understood is why the mortality rate, although much lower than the 2% estimate that caused this massive over reaction in the first place, still varies wildly from place to place. Perhaps the BCG theory actually carries some weight. Asian mortality rates have been far lower than Western mortality numbers.

As far as Singapore is concerned it is already too late for a lockdown. It should relent, allow businesses to re open while continuing to practice all the usual social distancing measures as far as possible.


newsweek.com

Test shows 21 percent of New York City residents who gave samples have coronavirus antibodies
By Bryan Kirk On 4/23/20 at 4:16 PM EDT

3-4 minutes


New York Governor Andrew Cuomo said during a Thursday press conference that a series of random tests of New Yorkers for the novel coronavirus indicates that COVID-19 may have been much more widespread and less deadly than previously thought.

Earlier this week, New York health officials conducted the baseline study on 3,000 people between the ages of 18 to 75 and collected at grocery stores and shopping centers throughout the state.

"We have undertaken the largest and most comprehensive study of New York state, to find out the infection rate," Cuomo said. "We will continue this testing on a rolling basis and have a larger and larger sample."

According to the results, 13.9 percent of those tested were positive for having antibodies for the novel coronavirus, meaning they were infected and developed the antibodies to fight the infection. Cuomo added that individuals identified with antibodies for the virus could potentially donate blood for convalescent plasma, "one of the therapeutic treatments" being developed for COVID-19 patients.

Governor Andrew Cuomo


During his latest coronavirus briefing on Sunday, Governor Andrew Cuomo said recent figures indicate New York has passed the apex of its coronavirus outbreak. Cuomo said Thursday that preliminary tests conducted throughout New York state this week indicated that COVID-19 may have been more side spread that believed and allowed many to develop an immunity to the novel coronavirus. Matthew Cavanaugh/Getty

The testing also suggests that COVID-19 may have been more widespread, possibly infecting more than two million New Yorkers. The highest percentage of those who tested positive for antibodies were found in New York City, where the rate was 21 percent, and Long Island at 16.7 percent, and 11.7 percent for the suburbs of Rockland and Westchester. In comparison, samples taken in the rest of the state totaled 3.6 percent.

Of those that tested, 52 percent were women with 12 percent testing positive, while nearly 16 percent of men tested positive, Cuomo said.

"Testing is going to be a major operation that happens from now until the situation is over," he said.

Cuomo added that the need for continued testing for COVID-19 not only helps determine the rate of infection in the community and identifies those who have the antibody to the novel coronavirus, it also minimizes the spread of the virus by identifying those who are positive.

The governor also said he would like to see more testing take place in the densely populated public housing areas in New York City, and more testing in African American and Latino communities, when the second phase begins.

"This is something that New York should lead the way on," he said.

Cuomo said the data also indicates that New York may soon experience a downward trend in the number of COVID-19 cases as summer approaches.

"The number of new cases walking through the door is relatively flat," he said. "We'd like to see that go down, but it's not going up either. We want to see the number of infections reduced. this is the best indicator of how containment is working and how the close down policies are working."
 
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nayr69sg

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This stupid covid19 will be the worst economic disaster for a non medical event ever!!!!

It is not deadly and yet we made such a big fuss of it and created economic turmoil.

Who to blame? CHINA! Why in the world did they have to lockdown Wuhan? Then bribe WHO to support their lockdown moves? Meaning WHO would recommend lockdowns as well.

We actually followed China's lead! And because China falsified data and under reported actual detected cases it made the death rate higher.

This was followed by another nincompoop country called Italy. Italy probably has one of the worst healthcare systems in Europe in the sense they have a non existent primary health care system. No family doctors or GPs. All specialists.

So you end up with an overwhelming of the hospital and specialist for simple cough and cold!

Stupid!
 

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What is still not understood is why the mortality rate, although much lower than the 2% estimate that caused this massive over reaction in the first place, still varies wildly from place to place.

Instead of focussing on the percentage, if you look at the absolute number (>15,700 deaths in NY alone till date) it is nothing to brush off. That's 3 times more deaths than when those 2 planes crashed into WTC.
 

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This stupid covid19 will be the worst economic disaster for a non medical event ever!!!!

It is not deadly and yet we made such a big fuss of it and created economic turmoil.

Who to blame? CHINA! Why in the world did they have to lockdown Wuhan? Then bribe WHO to support their lockdown moves? Meaning WHO would recommend lockdowns as well.

We actually followed China's lead! And because China falsified data and under reported actual detected cases it made the death rate higher.

This was followed by another nincompoop country called Italy. Italy probably has one of the worst healthcare systems in Europe in the sense they have a non existent primary health care system. No family doctors or GPs. All specialists.

So you end up with an overwhelming of the hospital and specialist for simple cough and cold!

Stupid!
and california had to ask their non-er and non-icu medical staff to stay home for over a month. many are furloughed. now surgeries and other major medical procedures unrelated to ccp virus can resume next week, and medical staff in surgery departments and other wards can return to hospitals to work.
 

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and california had to ask their non-er and non-icu medical staff to stay home for over a month. many are furloughed. now surgeries and other major medical procedures unrelated to ccp virus can resume next week, and medical staff in surgery departments and other wards can return to hospitals to work.

Americans garang.

I think Canada will be slow to go back to normal. Looks like Canadians used to the slow stay at home lifestyle already.
 

eatshitndie

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Americans garang.

I think Canada will be slow to go back to normal. Looks like Canadians used to the slow stay at home lifestyle already.
after 6.9 weeks californians will give up waiting for a vaccine and or drug treatments, and resign their fate to herd immunity.
 

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after 6.9 weeks californians will give up waiting for a vaccine and or drug treatments, and resign their fate to herd immunity.


Meanwhile Trudeau is giving $1250 a month to all University Students for 4 months May to Aug. Basically $5000. Rationale is the students cannot work during summer and need the money to help pay tuition etc.

So my two older kids will each get $5k

Looks like Canada already planned that summer will have no activity liao.
 

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Instead of focussing on the percentage, if you look at the absolute number (>15,700 deaths in NY alone till date) it is nothing to brush off. That's 3 times more deaths than when those 2 planes crashed into WTC.

You cannot work off the absolute number you need to look at the excess deaths above the norm.

Around 200,000 people die in NY state annually that's 16,000 per month in an average year. Covid-19 has brought an early death to many but at the end of the year the number will definitely not be an ADDITIONAL 16,000 deaths. It will be interesting to see what the actual figures will be when the dust settles.

So far nobody has dared to publish an official race/comorbidity chart plus the authorities have aleady stated that the Covid-19 numbers are inflated because no proper postmortem are being done at the moment.
 

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You cannot work off the absolute number you need to look at the excess deaths above the norm.

Around 200,000 people die in NY state annually that's 16,000 per month in an average year. Covid-19 has brought an early death to many but at the end of the year the number will definitely not be an ADDITIONAL 16,000 deaths. It will be interesting to see what the actual figures will be when the dust settles.

So far nobody has dared to publish an official race/comorbidity chart plus the authorities have aleady stated that the Covid-19 numbers are inflated because no proper postmortem are being done at the moment.

Huh?

Those who died could have had other chronic illnesses but they also might have gone on to lead full lives. My friend who died definitely could have lived 10 more years under medication. But his family is grieving now.

You can't look at cold statistics alone like the score of a football game. The ethos of a modern society is to do what we can to preserve life and alleviate suffering.
 

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Huh?

Those who died could have had other chronic illnesses but they also might have gone on to lead full lives. My friend who died definitely could have lived 10 more years under medication. But his family is grieving now.

You can't look at cold statistics alone like the score of a football game. The ethos of a modern society is to do what we can to preserve life and alleviate suffering.

Everyone is an individual but when it comes to analysing mortality data it is simply a fact of life that each death is part of the overall statistics.

Take road deaths as an example in Singapore there are currently about 120 deaths per year. If, after an extensive campaign to improve road safety, that number is reduced to 12 deaths in a year the efforts will be classified as a great success.

However for the families and friends of the 12 that died it is still one death too many for each of them.

As far as Covid-19 is concerned the facts will be revealed when the dust has settled. If all those who died could have lived another 10 years then the stats will reveal this fact.
 

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oh dear, have been having persistent running nose lately, i could be one of that 50,000.
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oh dear, have been having persistent running nose lately, i could be one of that 50,000.
:frown:

Possible but if you're below 40 I'd say don't worry about it.

However if you're over 85 I suggest you put your affairs in order.
 

Leongsam

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oh dear, have been having persistent running nose lately, i could be one of that 50,000.
:frown:

BTW that 50,000 number is way out of date. Based on the latest stats 96,000 dorm workers are probably infected so you have to add that number to whatever the percentage are infected in the rest of the general population.

My initial estimate was 1%. The latest data could well push that number of to between 4% to 10%. The ones that can obtain an accurate figure are the PAP government. All that is needed is to take a representative sample of about 5000 residents outside of the dorm environment and run antibody tests to see what percentage return a positive result. The data will be accurate to within a couple of percentage points.
 

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Huh?

Those who died could have had other chronic illnesses but they also might have gone on to lead full lives. My friend who died definitely could have lived 10 more years under medication. But his family is grieving now.

You can't look at cold statistics alone like the score of a football game. The ethos of a modern society is to do what we can to preserve life and alleviate suffering.

Condolences to your friend's family. While true he may have lived longer under medication, it is not certain he would not have died from other causes over the next 10 years. Road accident, gun death, or even dengue. You get the idea.

But of course it is hard to accept the sudden death of a loved one. I wish them well in this period of mourning and may friends like yourself stay strong for them.
 

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just digressing....never never never say i told you so to your friends and families ...its going to sour relations and frienship...everybody knows you told them so but they don't want salt further rubbed on their ego
 
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