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Huat! WP paid $20k-30k monthly to TC manager How Weng Fan 3 times more than PAP TC GM

tanwahp

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What I'm talking about is not PAP or WP, but you.

First you said: When did I say WP has sunk? Then you said: Here is (how WP is being checkmated)

Sunk - destroyed, ruined, wrecked
Checkmate - defeated, vanquished

I'm calling your bluff on your so-called "consistency".
 

PMPunk

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Lol y u put up pap letter for pap? U really pap spokesperson?



You want to see how WP is being checkmated? Here it is:

http://www.straitstimes.com/news/opinion/eye-singapore/story/workers-party-must-now-walk-the-talk-take-action-20150217


By Khaw Boon Wan

Last week, I tabled in Parliament the Auditor- General's audit report on Aljunied-Hougang- Punggol East Town Council (AHPETC) and MPs had a full debate on the matter.

The audit findings on the many lapses of AHPETC's managing agent, FM Solutions and Services (FMSS), and the way the town councillors discharged their duties are serious indictments of the town council.

The Workers' Party (WP) MPs' lack of transparency and accountability in their handling of this mess made for sad reading, raising serious questions about their integrity.

After two days of debate, all MPs voted in support of the motion. The WP joined the consensus and voted in support as well.

Some say that the WP MPs had to do so, given the abundant evidence gathered by the auditors. How could they vote against transparency and accountability after brandishing these values so stoutly themselves?

But the real test of whether their votes were sincere and whether they truly meant it when they accepted "collective responsibility" is: Will they walk the talk? Will they take concrete actions?

We need to ask these questions because their responses in Parliament did not give confidence to residents. For instance, to show how they keep a close eye on the accounts, WP chairman Sylvia Lim told Parliament that AHPETC's finance and investment committee meets every month. But the Auditor-General Office (AGO) report noted that as of Dec 12 last year, the last finance and investment committee meeting was held last April, which means the committee had not met for at least eight months.

During the debate, while stating that they accepted and respected the findings and conclusions of the AGO report, the WP MPs offered numerous excuses to suggest that the AGO's findings were not as serious as they seemed.

Most importantly, they said that the AGO report concluded that no money had been found to be missing, that there had been no criminal or dishonest activity uncovered and that at all times the sinking fund monies were still in the town council's bank accounts.

These are assertions that the AGO has strongly refuted. Indeed, the AGO report had concluded: "Until the weaknesses are addressed, there can be no assurance that AHPETC's accounts are accurate and reliable, or that public funds are properly spent, accounted for and managed."

There can be no doubt that the system that has been allowed to exist in AHPETC cannot continue.

In their speeches in Parliament, the WP MPs promised to improve. Many would recall that they have made similar promises many times before in the past four years to correct the serious shortcomings in their running of AHPETC. However, the situation just continued to get worse, not better, as their finances declined from surplus to deficit.

WP chief Low Thia Khiang declared in Parliament: "We are for transparency and accountability; we are not shy to support the motion that is critical of us."

But these are just words. The WP must demonstrate its sincerity by taking concrete action. It owes that to its residents. How housing estates are managed impacts public health, public safety and the quality of life for millions of Singaporeans, not to mention property values.

AHPETC needs to show its residents it will make things right.

MP Hri Kumar Nair and I have suggested concrete actions which Mr Low and his colleagues might take if they are truly sincere:

First, the elected town councillors themselves must commission a forensic audit to get to the bottom of things: How much money has actually been lost? Who was responsible? Where has the money gone? And, in the interest of transparency, send the findings to Parliament.

Such forensic audits are done, for example, in companies where there has been a serious failure to account for money, and/or where money has been lost. The serious concerns with the town council's controls and accounts as disclosed by its own auditors and the AGO make such a step necessary and urgent.

Second, take action against FMSS to recover what was overcharged. Find out through the forensic audit what other money has been lost and take immediate steps to recover the money.

FMSS was set up immediately after the 2011 General Election for the express purpose of taking over the management of AHPETC. AHPETC paid FMSS a higher managing agent rate than all other town councils paid to their respective managing agents.

Find out how much FMSS has made from this arrangement and where the money has gone. Since FMSS is an exempt private company, AHPETC should apply to the courts to require FMSS to reveal its accounts as the town council is likely to have incurred a loss of public funds to the company. We must not allow FMSS to get away scot-free with its takings.

Third, rectify the serious conflict of interest with the managing agent, FMSS. Despite the AGO's explicit finding that it had failed to manage properly its related party transactions, the WP had tried to argue that there was nothing wrong with its current arrangement. But it is abundantly clear that this arrangement is not acceptable and cannot continue.

Fourth, submit clean and properly audited accounts of AHPETC to Parliament just as all other town councils do, as required by law. One set is already overdue. The other set will be due in August this year.

It will not take long to get started on these actions. The first step is to appoint a forensic auditor so that they can get to the bottom of things, and start to clean up the mess. If the WP MPs are sincere, they can start immediately. It will not take more than a few weeks - at most a month - to appoint a forensic auditor, and to initiate a demand to recover the money overcharged.

If they fail to take these two essential first steps, it means AHPETC will continue to place public funds and residents' service and conservancy charges (S&CC) monies at risk.

The viability of the town council and its ability to pay and maintain essential services, as well as the upkeep of essential infrastructure such as lifts, will be in question.

Already, the town council's finances have deteriorated from a surplus position of $3.3 million to a deficit of more than $700,000 in the two short years after the WP and FMSS took over. The true situation since 2012 remains unknown as submissions of audited accounts since 2013 are outstanding.

Some residents are already asking how they can take action to compel AHPETC to make good the losses that the residents have suffered. Some in Aljunied have also asked why their S&CC had been used to cover the deficits in Hougang without consultation.

The Ministry of National Development, too, cannot stand idly by if public funds and residents' money continue to be at risk.

The writer is Minister for National Development.
- See more at: http://www.straitstimes.com/news/op...alk-take-action-20150217#sthash.J5ReHXhE.dpuf
 

Goh Meng Seng

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You don't understand the meaning of Know Thy Enemy?

Read carefully here. Apparently what Khaw is saying, if WP didn't take actions against FMSS, he will take actions against WP.

Goh Meng Seng
 

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Won't answer parliament. Won't answer auditors. Won't answer residents.

When questioned by residents: "I will respond in parliament"
When in parliament: "I will only answer to my residents."
Repeat.
 

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You don't understand the meaning of Know Thy Enemy?

Read carefully here. Apparently what Khaw is saying, if WP didn't take actions against FMSS, he will take actions against WP.

Goh Meng Seng

Everyone can see the real target is WP!
 

zeroo

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The number of lies and smoke screen by WP Proxies is too damn lame. Why the WP never ever raise those questions in Parliament themselves?

#throwback June 2002 (Bloomberg) : [I got her not because of her political connections," says Temasek Chairman S. Dhanabalan, the man who hired Ho for her new position, "but because of her competence and record." In fact, thanks to those political connections, Ho almost didn't get the job. When Dhanabalan first offered her the post back in August, her husband, says PM Goh, made it clear that he was uncomfortable with the situation. After all, Ho would have reported directly to him (Finance Minister Lee Hsien Loong). So Temasek management was "reconstituted" to provide a "buffer" between Ho and Lee, says Goh. Meanwhile, she stepped down as CEO of ST so she wouldn't report to herself. Now Ho is resigning from the boards of seven other state-led corporations.
 

shittypore

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Fuck the thread starter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Its Ok, the PAP own hse is full of shit, they got to clean up b4 even pointing a finger at any Opposition. Young Sinkies are no fools today, pappies are i desperate mode.
 

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The number of lies and smoke screen by WP Proxies is too damn lame. Why the WP never ever raise those questions in Parliament themselves?

#throwback June 2002 (Bloomberg) : [I got her not because of her political connections," says Temasek Chairman S. Dhanabalan, the man who hired Ho for her new position, "but because of her competence and record." In fact, thanks to those political connections, Ho almost didn't get the job. When Dhanabalan first offered her the post back in August, her husband, says PM Goh, made it clear that he was uncomfortable with the situation. After all, Ho would have reported directly to him (Finance Minister Lee Hsien Loong). So Temasek management was "reconstituted" to provide a "buffer" between Ho and Lee, says Goh. Meanwhile, she stepped down as CEO of ST so she wouldn't report to herself. Now Ho is resigning from the boards of seven other state-led corporations.

As for HC , all that history may be correct. I will give Dhana some trust. However, that is ancient history. The question today is the performance of TH and transparency and by extension the CEO. I am willing to go further and accept that it is hard to replace HC just yet just as you cannot immediately replace a supporting beam in a structure. Goodyear was the replacement beam and we saw what happened. Questions about TH , CPF an GIC only arose because recent events impacting daily lives of Singaporeans gave concerns. The government seems to be having a problem showing they are addressing these problems. I don't see how silencing critics will help.
 

Narong Wongwan

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I am willing to go further and accept that it is hard to replace HC just yet just as you cannot immediately replace a supporting beam in a structure. Goodyear was the replacement beam and we saw what happened.

It's precisely your type of defeatist Ah Q mentality of the loser 60.1% that keeps vile pappies in power.
You amputated a rotten leg before gangrene sets in.....dun need to be doctor to see that dumbfuck!
Goodyear was a wayang....double confirm dumbfuck if you can't see that even....
 

winnipegjets

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Its Ok, the PAP own hse is full of shit, they got to clean up b4 even pointing a finger at any Opposition. Young Sinkies are no fools today, pappies are i desperate mode.

You are being too generous ...the PAP is raping our land and leave it barren when they run road. Got to stop them before they take everything.
 

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Won't answer parliament. Won't answer auditors. Won't answer residents.

When questioned by residents: "I will respond in parliament"
When in parliament: "I will only answer to my residents."
Repeat.

Are you John Tan's boss or his junior? Someone is trying to impress someone.

You are hot air lah. No facts, just bs. How many clowns do you hire to do the photos for you?
 

winnipegjets

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You don't understand the meaning of Know Thy Enemy?

Read carefully here. Apparently what Khaw is saying, if WP didn't take actions against FMSS, he will take actions against WP.

Goh Meng Seng

Let Cow take action then and provide a service provider that is willing to do the job at the low PAP rate. If he can't do the latter, then it is for all sinkees to see that the PAP is out to hurt the people of the WP wards.

The PAP is like the British colonial rulers. They act like lords over us; they give themselves all the privileges and stuff it to sinkees.
In the same mannerr that the British were thrown out, we should do likewise to the PAP. Let the people rise to throw these corrupt idiots out.
 

Narong Wongwan

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Let Cow take action then and provide a service provider that is willing to do the job at the low PAP rate. If he can't do the latter, then it is for all sinkees to see that the PAP is out to hurt the people of the WP wards.

The PAP is like the British colonial rulers. They act like lords over us; they give themselves all the privileges and stuff it to sinkees.
In the same mannerr that the British were thrown out, we should do likewise to the PAP. Let the people rise to throw these corrupt idiots out.
I would say the Brits were much better....they actually did a lot of good instead of just plundering like vile pappies.
At least they accord us basic human rights.
 

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You are being too generous ...the PAP is raping our land and leave it barren when they run road. Got to stop them before they take everything.

U r rite about our land being 'raped'. All the open and greenery spaces gone liao! All replaced by buildings after buildings and roads...etc. All for the 6.9m or more!
 

tanwahp

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You don't understand the meaning of Know Thy Enemy?

Read carefully here. Apparently what Khaw is saying, if WP didn't take actions against FMSS, he will take actions against WP.

Goh Meng Seng

I'll be nice today since it's the new year. Let Khaw try, rather than behave like a police without handcuffs threatening a person "I'm going to jail you, I'm going to jail you" but not doing it.

Companies provide products or services to people or companies. Managing agents are in the business of providing services to companies. The owner of the business also works to provide a service to the company that is his customer.

PAP has accused FMSS of being company owners and AHPETC employees. I don't know what this "employee" means but if they sit in these vacancies as FMSS, they are not employees of AHPETC and will draw a salary from the MA fees that was paid from AHPETC to the MA, not AHPETC directly.

If what Khaw said makes sense to you, all horticulture or structural consultants to TCs are unlawful since they own the company and also personally provide services to the TC. All businesses where the boss draws a salary from profits as well as take a cut from profits is unlawful. Your computer shop could do that and become "unlawful".
 

zeroo

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Interesting! If How and husband were already employed by Hougang TC and according to Sylvia Lim, had all the experience needed to run a town council, then why the need to set up FMSS to run AHPETC when it is still the same people running the TC?

So it is like what Law Minister Shanmugam said, FMSS is a convenient vehicle set up to channel money to friends. But what happens to the money after it is channelled to FMSS? That is Shanmugam's question.
 

Satyr

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Interesting! If How and husband were already employed by Hougang TC and according to Sylvia Lim, had all the experience needed to run a town council, then why the need to set up FMSS to run AHPETC when it is still the same people running the TC?

So it is like what Law Minister Shanmugam said, FMSS is a convenient vehicle set up to channel money to friends. But what happens to the money after it is channelled to FMSS? That is Shanmugam's question.

Good question. I am also interested to know how the PAP funds itself.
 

tanwahp

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Methink GMS wants to contribute his election deposit to the state coffers. Let's thank him for his generosity.

If he is the only non-PAP candidate in a straight fight in my constituency, that's tough. Even if I dislike PAP immensely, there is nothing "opposition" about GMS even by rock bottom standards.

Position-wise, spends more than half his energy on the opposition (mostly WP but also on NSP and SDP). Character-wise, shown himself beneath any PAP or WP candidate. Would have been better if he doesn't talk so much and kept his long list of flaws hidden. Effort-wise, none to show. Getting into arguments because of exceptional but inaccurate views doesn't count.

You'd be better off with Zeng Guoyuan. At least his target and focus is clear.
 
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