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How the Chinese Steal Technology and Cheat at Trade

ponzii

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China wants to be the world's biggest exporter based on stealing U.S. know-how and subsidizing local manufacturers

Reevaluating Free Trade with China

By Phyllis Schlafly Friday, December 31, 2010

The voters who elected the new Congress expect it to cast off unconstitutional and discredited policies such as Keynesian big-spending and judicial grabbing of legislative prerogatives. We also hope Congress will shake itself loose from the dishonest, anti-American trade policies of other countries, especially Communist China.

Although China is called a major trading partner, it treats U.S. companies like suckers, cheating them coming and going. China even intimidates U.S. businessmen so they don’t dare to criticize China’s unfair trade tactics.

Take, for example, the attitude of CEO Jeffrey R. Immelt of General Electric, the company now laying off hundreds of U.S. workers and giving those jobs making light bulbs to Chinese workers. He won’t comment about the current U.S. case in the World Trade Organization accusing China of giving illegal subsidies to Chinese wind turbine makers.

A few years ago, G.E. caved into the Chinese government’s demand that G.E. build a large wind turbine factory in China. Since G.E. owns a crucial patent for wind turbines, this demand was based on the Chinese anti-free trade policy called indigenous innovation (which China expert James McGregor calls “a blueprint for technology theft on a scale the world has never seen before”).

China then developed its own wind turbine manufacturers, and is now directing purchasers to buy from those Chinese firms instead of from G.E. That’s the reality in what free traders naively believe is the world’s fast-growing market for U.S. goods.
China wants to be the world’s biggest exporter based on stealing U.S. know-how and subsidizing local manufacturers

China wants to be the world’s biggest exporter based on stealing U.S. know-how and subsidizing local manufacturers. China blatantly violates international trade laws and has no plans to be a market for U.S. products; China’s principal imports are and will continue to be U.S. jobs.


When asked about China’s cheating of G.E. on wind turbines, Immelt responded by saying that G.E. will fine-tune its competitive tactics to adapt to Beijing policy. The New York Times quoted a California lawyer specializing in Asia deals, Judy Lam, as explaining that his reaction translates as, “I understand my place” and big American corporations are “willing to suck it up—that will win them points.”

Although the Obama Administration filed a wind-turbine complaint with the World Trade Organization, no U.S. company joined to defend itself. WTO disputes take up to three years to come to a decision, which usually turns out to be against U.S. interests.

The United Steelworkers Union has dared to complain about China’s cheating practices on alternative energy products such as wind turbines, solar panels and batteries, filing a 5,800-page petition under section 301 of the Trade Act of 1974. Google said it might shut down its China-based internet search engine if Chinese censorship continues.

The Chinese government passes short laws on complex industrial and financial subjects while leaving unlimited discretion to bureaucratic regulators (like the Obama Administration). In authentic socialist practice, the regulators can use their discretion to advantage their friends and punish their enemies.

China has a long record of disciplining companies that fail to conform to Chinese regulatory demands. Chinese regulations presume to dictate ordinary managerial decisions of non-Chinese companies such as what equipment may be bought and from whom.

China has a Communist government, so the Communist Party is in the driver’s seat. China can violate with impunity all international law and trade agreements, slap taxes and regulations on U.S. plants in China, compel U.S. corporations to give their trade secrets and manufacturing know-how to Chinese competitors, and force Americans to keep silent about the unfairness of it all.

G.E.‘s Immelt was gung-ho for trade with China in 2002. He then told G.E. managers: “I talk China, China, China, China, China. You need to be there. I am a nut on China.” But G.E. got only half the China market that Immelt was counting on.

In 2010, after G.E. had handed over technology in everything from rail locomotives to antipollution equipment in order to gain access to the Chinese market, Immelt was singing a different tune: “I really worry about China. I am not sure that in the end they want any of us to win, or any of us to be successful.”

After major U.S. corporations, including our biggest technology companies, gave away their most valuable industrial secrets, they are asking themselves, Was it all worthwhile?

Some people foolishly call our relationship with China “free trade.” But there is nothing free or fair about it; it is trade war between an aggressively protectionist Communist government and a U.S. that is shackled by foolish and out-of-date illusions about free trade.
 

shOUTloud

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Dun trade with China loh. Continue to sink with growing pension payouts and unemployed youths.
 

Cestbon

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Not wrong willing seller and willing buyer. If the US dont sell the technology to China.
China will buy from others like Europe or Japan.
Just like the airplane. China willing to buy 1000 unit but the deal is to manufacturer in China. Lan lan have to manufacturer in China to get the deal/contract.
When manufacturer in China. 95% of the know how will be transfer to China.
With 95% of the knowledge and China modify and make the improvement. Then mass production will kill of all the competitor. Just lijke the high speed train beginning they import from Japan and Europe, now China improve it then mass production.
 

Rogue Trader

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A couple of hundred years ago, the East India Company stole tea from China, grew it in India and then exported it to the rest of the world.

What goes around comes around.
 

Peiweh

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Nothing new here. They have stolen from the Europeans, the Americans, the Taiwanese, even Singapore, just like the Japanese used to.

Dont trust China.
 

jw5

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There is only one way to deal with China (and many prc nationals), and that is with integrity.
Not from them, as you can't expect all of them to have it, but from yourself.

Integrity is not just honesty. It's also the firmness and doggedness to stand by your principles and values, maintain your quality, keep your timelines, resist all temptations to cut corners even if it means more money, the ability to keep your word and insist that they keep theirs.

You don't do that, they will eat you up, sometimes even those who supposedly have integrity. Those who don't have quality and integrity may try to hoodwink with their absurd logic.
 

kensington

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Nothing new here. They have stolen from the Europeans, the Americans, the Taiwanese, even Singapore, just like the Japanese used to.

Dont trust China.

Wise men don't need to prove their point.. Men who need to prove their point aren't wise.


There is only one way to deal with China (and many prc nationals), and that is with integrity.
Not from them, as you can't expect all of them to have it, but from yourself.

Integrity is not just honesty. It's also the firmness and doggedness to stand by your principles and values, maintain your quality, keep your timelines, resist all temptations to cut corners even if it means more money, the ability to keep your word and insist that they keep theirs.

You don't do that, they will eat you up, sometimes even those who supposedly have integrity. Those who don't have quality and integrity may try to hoodwink with their absurd logic.

Agree bro. Great acts are made up of small deeds.
 

longbow

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Till today GE and China are good pals. GE even ordered a bunch of the new Chinese made C919 jets 2 months ago! So this is a business transaction lah - no different from Google buying up start ups for their technology. In this case China commit to x units in exchange for technology transfer. If GE is unhappy why not sue? Perhaps it is all in the contracts to allow for technology transfer.

In the business world there is lots of industrial espionage. In the Silicon Valley you keep seeing patent challenges from the heavyweights - Apple, HP, Nokia, Motorola, etc etc have teams of lawyers suing each other over patents. These lawsuits is disputes over " stealing of technology".

Couple years back our homegrown Creative Tech even got a $100M settlement from Apple computers! Apple must have stolen some of Creative's intellectual property
 
Z

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When the aliens come to earth, every fucking countries will want their technology.

USA will be the first to steal, given the benefit of first contact in outer space. Don't tell me that they are going to reinvent the alien wheels, sign some contracts for tech transfer, or print more USD to buy up alien companies.

:biggrin:
 

johnny333

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When the aliens come to earth, every fucking countries will want their technology.

USA will be the first to steal, given the benefit of first contact in outer space. Don't tell me that they are going to reinvent the alien wheels, sign some contracts for tech transfer, or print more USD to buy up alien companies.

:biggrin:

Some think that alien artificates have been recovered from crashes & the knowledge used to develop current technologies e.g integrated circuits,.... :eek:
 

hairylee

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What's the point of reinventing the wheel when you can afford to buy the wheel together with the technology behind it.
 

Aussie Prick

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The Japs have already started with some tariffs against the Chinese. Obama punched China in the face by winning a recent WTO hike against imported Chinese tires.

So the answer is protectionism. The US will begin to impose tariffs to offset any cheap yuan priced products to compete fairly.

This might create another GFC.
 

Ramseth

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If you study and understand what's meant by PRC export to USA, you'd know that it means USA products made in PRC exported back to USA. You go to US supermarkets and find a PRC brand for me? I'd bet you find none. I'd find many US brands but made in PRC for you.
 

longbow

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So far all the tariffs are for show. US applied tariffs on tires. So tires now come from Indonesia. Does not really help US tire mfgs or their workers. But good to show public that politicans are doing something. Better indication is to see if there is big reduction in import of Chinese made goods

China is largest market for luxury, high value goods.

US, UK, Japan, Germany, France, Italy - the fastest growing market for their products from Caterpillar to Airbus to LV, Remy Martin, Roll Royce, Chanel, Rolex watches ........ You go to Paris, London - hordes of Chinese tourist spending big $.

I doubt if they really want to get into a spat.












The Japs have already started with some tariffs against the Chinese. Obama punched China in the face by winning a recent WTO hike against imported Chinese tires.

So the answer is protectionism. The US will begin to impose tariffs to offset any cheap yuan priced products to compete fairly.

This might create another GFC.
 

kukubird58

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hahaha...there are many instances of Companies (both Western and Asian) setting up factories in China...after few years operations....forced to sell out cheap to the ah tiongs...
they don't only steal your technology...they take your equipment also.....
 

kukubird58

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If you study and understand what's meant by PRC export to USA, you'd know that it means USA products made in PRC exported back to USA. You go to US supermarkets and find a PRC brand for me? I'd bet you find none. I'd find many US brands but made in PRC for you.

hahaha...this is not bad enough....
the US consumers are buying the goods with borrowed money from PRC.....
the minute PRC stops lending any more money...the market will collapse......
 
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