Serious Housewife Wendy Chan And John Tan Don't Want Fucktards From Normal Stream Mixing With Our Elite Kids!

[JohnTan]

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10157776632254381&set=a.10150093522424381&type=3&theater

A friend shared the photo below, from today's The Straits Times, "End of Streaming: How will changes affect IP schools", 10 March 2019:

"... she would prefer if her children did not mix with those in Normal stream.

Ms Chan, 48, explained, "It's because of their upbringing - their mindset and values may not be in tandem with what I agree with. It's not so much about academic performance." (highlighted text)

The snobbery and prejudice contained in just a few lines is amazing.

Dear Ms Chan, I am also a parent, as well as a teacher. I've taught students from different streams - Express, Normal and Integrated Programme (IP).

Every student, regardless of stream, has their strengths and challenges, both personal and from their families. I've seen hardworking, resilient students in Normal stream and lazy, entitled students in IP and Express streams.

And yes, family does play a big part in upbringing, which is why I worry for your children.

I hope one day you will realise just how selfish, small-minded and poisonous your statements are, and I hope your children will be better than you, in spite of you.

If Ms Chan's perspective is really the prevailing mindset amongst parents out there, then no number of CNA tear-jerker documentaries is going to matter. A reform of the entire way students are posted to secondary school is urgently needed.

Unless of course we want to continue to be a country divided by class.

Postscript:

Prejudice doesn't appear overnight. We didn't suddenly wake up to deep class divisions, not having friends from outside our airconditioned bubbles, living in one of the most unequal countries in the world.

Prejudice takes time. It takes root with policies, grows with administrative practices and becomes so intertwined with the very ethos of society that we forget/ ignore it. We manufacture all sorts of fiction to excuse it, to justify it.

And just once in a while, the mask slips. And a Wendy Chan appears, showing us the face that is our own, because we too hold those prejudices or we do nothing to challenge them.

So, for every brave school administrator who chooses to give students in Normal stream the resources, opportunities and good teachers instead of writing those kids off as deadweight...

For every teacher who believes in the students in the Normal stream...

For every parent who sees beyond the stream to who the child really is and can become...

For every non-Normal student who isn't an elitist prick...

And

For every politician who is willing to pay the political cost to tear down the barriers that keep the poor, minorities and the oppressed down...

Thank you.

As a society we are better than this.

 

[sweetiepie]

KNN Ms Chan concern is not uncalled for KNN case to case basis KNN not all normal stream students have half disabled shoulder or epilepsy-like behaviours KNN if encounter it then request for transfer KNN

 

[JohnTan]

I sent my kids to elite schools so that they won't have to hang out with kids who get into trouble at school and refuse to study. I don't want such trash influencing my kids to sniff glue, join gangs or fail exams.

It's thanks to elite schools for keeping such rotten kids away that our kids can go on to win top PSC scholarships. It would have been impossible for RJC students to win so many scholarships if they admitted lots of lousy students like the neighbourhood schools.

 

[Leongsam]

I agree with Mrs Chan. I would not want my children or my dog to go anywhere near those dumbfucks that populate the normal stream classes.

 

[glockman]

I sent my kids to elite schools so that they won't have to hang out with kids who get into trouble at school and refuse to study. I don't want such trash influencing my kids to sniff glue, join gangs or fail exams.

It's thanks to elite schools for keeping such rotten kids away that our kids can go on to win top PSC scholarships. It would have been impossible for RJC students to win so many scholarships if they admitted lots of lousy students like the neighbourhood schools.

Thank goodness my kids do not attend any formal schooling. So there is no chance of them sniffing glue, joining gangs or failing exams

 

[laksaboy]

People put that much value on their brats attending Express schools?

Back in the day, Express school students were the 'inferior tier' compared to what was offered at my school. Express = for the slower learners.

Short story: Long ago, when I was in Primary 6 at a neighbourhood school, during a PE lesson, the teacher had the most 'brilliant' idea of organizing a competitive soccer game between us and a bunch of 'Primary 8 Extended' kids (most of whom are Malay, no surprise).

You should know that not all 12 year old boys have started puberty, and those Pri 8 kids were big, tall and mean-looking. Let's just say that particular PE lesson was a humbling experience for me and the other Pri 6 kids.

 

[nightsafari]

I sent my kids to elite schools so that they won't have to hang out with kids who get into trouble at school and refuse to study.

Dear Pappie bro, if a kid is not in an elite school does it AUTOMATICALLY mean that they get into trouble and refuse to study? on the flipside does it also mean an elite school has all students stay out of trouble and study? I'm curious about this because from my own observations, the correlation you allude to is not quite that perfect. There is a better correlation between student and school, and it's on another point I'm not going to bring up just yet, but it's not for these two.

I don't want such trash influencing my kids to sniff glue, join gangs or fail exams.

genuinely curious, but how has ringfencing worked for you?

It's thanks to elite schools for keeping such rotten kids away that our kids can go on to win top PSC scholarships. It would have been impossible for RJC students to win so many scholarships if they admitted lots of lousy students like the neighbourhood schools.

hmmm... I'm not sure what statement you're trying to make here. Is it that : "if they comingle with other students they will not be capable of achievement", because that's all I got out of it.

 

[nightsafari]

I agree with Mrs Chan. I would not want my children or my dog to go anywhere near those dumbfucks that populate the normal stream classes.

Pray tell, how did you come to conclusion that the normal stream classes are populated with dumbfucks? I assume your definition of dumbfuck is a genuinely stupid, unintelligent human being.

If that is your definition, I'm afraid that I don't agree because I've seen all streams populated with dumbfucks and some genuinely elite achievers who sit at the top of the streaming / scholarship totem pole in Singapore who are genuine dumbfucks.

In fact, I could point to lots of posts in this very forum that single out and provide ample evidence of some of these highly streamed / scholared dumbfucks ruining (sorry, I'm supposed to say running) the country.

 

[JohnTan]

genuinely curious, but how has ringfencing worked for you?

Ringfencing has worked wonders for me and my children. Both my kids have done very well in school and have won PSC scholarships.

We send our kids to top elite schools because they promise ringfencing.

 

[nightsafari]

then congratulations to your children on their achievement.
may it serve them well.

but I'm still wondering about the claim that elite schools = studious and no trouble. It is an automatic assumption that we all make or is it a verifiable truth? I'm asking this because I'm leaning towards the former.

 

[JustLikeThis]

I sent my kids to elite schools so that they won't have to hang out with kids who get into trouble at school and refuse to study. I don't want such trash influencing my kids to sniff glue, join gangs or fail exams.

It's thanks to elite schools for keeping such rotten kids away that our kids can go on to win top PSC scholarships. It would have been impossible for RJC students to win so many scholarships if they admitted lots of lousy students like the neighbourhood schools.

Elite students can still stick to IP and IB programs.

 

[hofmann]

Mrs Chan's perspective can be explained by a concept known as motive attribution asymmetry - one group's belief that their rivals are motivated by emotions opposite to their own.

Though applied in the context of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, the similarities bear out with the express vs normal stream conflict

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/11/141104083946.htm

Study finds intractable conflicts stem from misunderstanding of motivation

We sometimes wonder why Israelis and Palestinians are so entrenched in their inability to reach a solution to the crisis in the Mideast, or why Republican and Democrats engaging in verbal vitriol never seem to agree on anything. New research suggests a concept known as motive attribution asymmetry -- one group's belief that their rivals are motivated by emotions opposite to their own -- may be the defining cause of these intractable conflicts.

 

[red amoeba]

To johntan - we value your contribution to groom a new generation of muggers who excel in study n execution to serve the countless corporations setup by normal Ed kids n dropouts.

 

[nightsafari]

Mrs Chan's perspective can be explained by a concept known as motive attribution asymmetry - one group's belief that their rivals are motivated by emotions opposite to their own.

Though applied in the context of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, the similarities bear out with the express vs normal stream conflict

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/11/141104083946.htm

Study finds intractable conflicts stem from misunderstanding of motivation

We sometimes wonder why Israelis and Palestinians are so entrenched in their inability to reach a solution to the crisis in the Mideast, or why Republican and Democrats engaging in verbal vitriol never seem to agree on anything. New research suggests a concept known as motive attribution asymmetry -- one group's belief that their rivals are motivated by emotions opposite to their own -- may be the defining cause of these intractable conflicts.

I'm not so sure about this. The motive attribution assymetry is quite a fanciful name, but it reduces the conflict motivation to a binary opposition of interests. Outside group does it for hate, we do it for love. With the study it was Israelis vs Palestinians and they have a clearly defined opposition group and clear reasons to oppose them. In sinkieland, I'm struggling to see this binary narrative. "Those fuckers in non-elite schools out to sabo our elite kids" or "our wonderful kids in elite schools are doing well because we love the non-elites" doesn't quite ring true. And I'm sorry to say this, but motive attribution assymetry sounds like a targeted rehash of an older, simpler social psychology concept whose name escapes me

However, I do see a simpler explanation offered by the original writer of the reply to Mrs Chan.

"elitist prick..."



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[JohnTan]

then congratulations to your children on their achievement.
may it serve them well.

but I'm still wondering about the claim that elite schools = studious and no trouble. It is an automatic assumption that we all make or is it a verifiable truth? I'm asking this because I'm leaning towards the former.

Elite school students like my kids are well behaved. They go on to become scholars and officers, while the kids from the neighbourhood schools serve as hokkien pengs and samsengs, food pandas and grab drivers.

 

[nightsafari]

Elite school students like my kids are well behaved. They go on to become scholars and officers, while the kids from the neighbourhood schools serve as hokkien pengs and samsengs, food pandas and grab drivers.

i see. thanks for sharing.

 

[eatshitndie]

i’m ok with ah bengs squating in pubic and drinking out of a plastic bag, but not ah bengs smoking in a no-smoking zone.

 

[bobby]

I certainly hope that Wendy Chan's 2 boys take up smoking & drugs when they serve NS...or must they also go to an elite basic training camp ?

 

[congo9]

Actually she's not wrong. Mixing with non elite kids will have negative effect on my child mentality.

I Like my kids to mix with movers and shakers. Why mix with a neighborhood kids when you can mix with people who are decision makers, one decision affect a few hundred people down the line?

 

[syed putra]

Like this cannot mix malays cannot progress.