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Google被控與中國政府合作 川普說要查
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美國總統川普今晨表示，他的政府將會調查有關谷歌公司（Google）被控與中國政府合作一事，但他在推文中沒有多談此事。
力挺川普的矽谷金主提爾（Peter Thiel）將砲口對準網路搜尋引擎龍頭谷歌與科技業，批評他們聚焦全球市場、擱置美國利益，還批Google看似做出叛國行為與中國合作。
川普在推文中說：「根據『福斯與朋友們』節目（Fox & Friends），『擁有億萬身價的科技業投資人提爾認為，Google應為叛國受到調查。他指控Google與中國政府合作』。他是個很棒又優秀的人，對此事比任何人都了解。川普政府會查查看。」
Google公司代表尚未就川普的談話發表評論。
以大數據分析出名的帕蘭泰爾技術公司（Palantir Technologies）共同創辦人兼臉書（Facebook）董事提爾昨天在華盛頓舉行的民族保守主義（National Conservatism）會議上發表演說攻擊Google。
美國雜誌「財經內幕」（Business Insider）報導，提爾主要是批評Google與中國的關係，提到Google打算以研發審查版搜尋引擎的「蜻蜓計畫」（Project Dragonfly）重返中國市場。
提爾表示，美國聯邦調查局（FBI）與中央情報局（CIA）應該調查Google。Google發言人回應他的談話表示，公司沒有與中國軍方合作，但不願進一步闡述。
https://www.theguardian.com/technol...aims-investigate-google-treasonous-china-ties
Trump claims he will investigate Google for 'treasonous' China ties
US president vows to look into claim about firm’s relationship with Chinese government
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Donald Trump with the PayPal co-founder Peter Thiel, who made the allegations against Google. Photograph: / Reuters/Reuters
Donald Trump has suggested Google might be working treasonously with China and claimed he would look into the matter.
In a tweet on Tuesday the US president – claiming to quote Fox News – said the tech billionaire Peter Thiel “believes Google should be investigated for treason. He accuses Google of working with the Chinese government.”
He added that the PayPal co-founder – a Trump supporter – was “a great and brilliant guy who knows this subject better than anyone”, and claimed: “The Trump administration will take a look!”
Riva Sciuto, a spokeswoman for Google, said: “As we have said before, we do not work with the Chinese military. We are working with the US government, including the Department of Defense, in many areas including cybersecurity, recruiting and healthcare.”
Trump’s comments came as a House judiciary subcommittee prepared to hold a bipartisan investigation into the market power of Facebook, Google, Amazon and Apple.
Congress will begin two days of hearings on Tuesday on the digital currency planned by Facebook, to be called Libra, starting with the Senate banking committee.
Over the weekend, Thiel said the FBI and CIA should open an investigation into Google.
According to the Axios website, Thiel said Google was “engaged in the seemingly treasonous decision to work with the Chinese military and not with the US military”.
https://www.vox.com/2019/7/16/20696131/trump-google-investigation-peter-thiel-fox-news
Trump’s threat to investigate Google isn’t based on evidence. It’s based on Fox News.
How Peter Thiel’s Google conspiracy theory made its way from Fox & Friends to the White House.
By Aaron Rupar@atrupar Jul 16, 2019, 12:00pm EDT
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President Donald Trump threatened to launch a treason investigation into Google in a Monday morning tweet for allegedly working with the Chinese government — based on an 11-second Fox News clip containing no evidence whatsoever. Instead, the president cited unsubstantiated allegations made by billionaire investor and Facebook board member Peter Thiel on Monday’s installment of Tucker Carlson’s Fox News show.
Thiel, it’s worth noting, is a longtime Trump supporter and adviser — something of a rarity in left-leaning Silicon Valley.
At 7:46 a.m., Trump tweeted, “‘Billionaire Tech Investor Peter Thiel believes Google should be investigated for treason. He accuses Google of working with the Chinese Government.’ @foxandfriends A great and brilliant guy who knows this subject better than anyone. The Trump Administration will take a look!”
Trump’s tweet was posted about an hour after a Fox & Friends news segment featured an 11-second clip of Thiel’s interview with Carlson. Matthew Gertz of Media Matters for America posted the clip Trump reacted to:
Trump’s tweet was later given credence by being retweeted from the official White House Twitter account.
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While Trump is taking Thiel’s claim seriously, there’s good reason to believe it should be taken with a grain of salt.
Thiel has a long-running beef with Google
Thiel’s comments on Carlson’s show — the ones that wound up in the Fox & Friends news wrap Trump watched — weren’t the first time in recent days that the Trump-supporting Facebook board member and Paypal co-founder made explosive allegations about a Silicon Valley competitor. Thiel made similar insinuations during his speech on Sunday at the National Conservatism Conference, suggesting that foreign intelligence agencies, including China’s, had “infiltrated” Google and contributed to the company’s “seemingly treasonous decision to work with the Chinese military and not with the US military.”
But as Axios’s Dan Primack writes, when Carlson lightly pushed Thiel for some evidence to back up his claim about Google being infiltrated, “Thiel demurred by saying he was just ‘asking questions.’” Primack also notes that Thiel’s comments raise suspicions he might have self-interested motives for pushing conspiracy theories about Google, such as the possibility he’s shorted Google’s stock or that the software company he founded, Palantir Technologies, is competing with Google for a major US government contract.
Thiel has been publicly critical of Google for years. As Vanity Fair reported in late 2017, Thiel called Google “a monopoly both in his book Zero to One and on stage at a conference with Google executive Eric Schmidt.” According to the Kansas City Star, just days before then-Missouri Attorney General Josh Hawley opened an antitrust investigation into Google in November 2017, Thiel made a maximum donation to Hawley’s campaign. Both Thiel and Hawley denied any connection between the donation and the investigation, but Hawley — whose successful 2016 attorney general campaign received $300,000 from Thiel — has since gone on to be one of Google’s biggest critics in the US senate.
But the fact remains that Thiel has presented no evidence that the Chinese government has infiltrated Google. And in response to Thiel’s comments on Sunday, a Google spokesperson said in a statement that “As we have said before, we do not work with the Chinese military.”
Trump is turning his ire to tech companies
The specifics of the Thiel-Google feud aside, the broader significance of Trump’s tweet — beyond what it says about the Fox News-to-White House pipeline — is that this also happens to be the week that the Senate Judiciary Committee, of which Hawley is a member, is holding an antitrust hearing with major tech companies, including Google.
Though Republicans tend to be pro-business, they have been increasingly critical of tech companies of late, particularly as they try to gin up suspicions that tech platforms are engaged in “censorship” stemming from anti-conservative bias. Trump’s tweet about Google comes while the White House, with help from Hawley and other Republicans, continues to push baseless conspiracy theories about tech giants and social media companies being biased against Republicans. To be clear, there are legitimate concerns about the size and scale of big tech companies that have been expressed by politicians on both sides of the aisle — Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) did a commendable job last year interrogating Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg about Facebook’s lack of competition, for instance, while Democratic presidential candidate Elizabeth Warren is proposing to break up big tech — but Trump supporters like Hawley don’t usually express these concerns in good faith.
During a social media summit at the White House last week, Trump wound down his speech on a chilling note by threatening to take action against social media and tech executives unless they address his (baseless) bias claims.
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The White House social media summit was a circus. Its aftermath was even worse.
“They’re not using what we gave them fairly and they have to do that,” Trump said. “And we don’t want to stifle anything, we certainly don’t want to stifle free speech, but that’s no longer free speech. See, I don’t think the mainstream media is free speech either because it’s so crooked, it’s so dishonest. To me, free speech is not when you see something good and then you purposely write something bad. To me, that’s very dangerous speech.”
Trump wants tech companies to know that he wields an incredible amount of power with the presidency, regardless of the underlying veracity of Thiel’s claims, and that they should know that he’s willing to use the power of regulation if companies get too eager to “censor” conservative viewpoints.
Of course, it also illustrates how the president is willing to capitalize upon anything and everything — even 11-second Fox & Friends clips — to make a case that companies he perceives as being insufficiently supportive are up to no good.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v...gle_for_possibly_aiding_chinese_military.html
Peter Thiel: FBI, CIA Should Investigate Google For Possibly Aiding Chinese Military
Posted By Ian Schwartz
On Date July 15, 2019
Peter Thiel said Google should be investigated by the U.S. government for aiding China and accused the company of being infiltrated by Chinese state security in an interview with FOX News' Tucker Carlson.
Thiel said he is most scared by Elizabeth Warren in 2020 and finds the other Democratic presidential candidates "unimpressive."
TUCKER CARLSON, FOX NEWS: Peter Thiel co-founded PayPal. He was one of the very first investors in Facebook. If anyone knows a lot about big (ph) PAC and its power and its potential dangers, it’s Peter Thiel. So it means something when he warns that Google, the world’s most powerful company, has become a threat to American national security. They may even have committed treason, he says.
While speaking at the National Conservatism Conference in Washington yesterday, Thiel warned that Google may have been infiltrated by Chinese intelligence and ought to be subject to immediate investigation by the FBI and the CIA.
I’m happy to have Peter Thiel join us tonight. Peter, thanks a lot for coming on. So --
(CROSSTALK)
PETER THIEL, CO-FOUNDER, PAYPAL: -- thanks for having me.
CARLSON: What did you mean when you said that?
THIEL: Well, it was just in the form of a set of questions I asked, where you know, artificial intelligence is something people talk about nonstop in Silicon Valley -- but they almost never talk about its dual use. If it’s real, if this is a real thing, it obviously can also be used by the military, it’ll be weaponized in all sorts of ways, and it’s an important national security question as to who has it.
There’s this very peculiar background where Google is working with the Chinese on Communist government and not with the U.S. military; so the Project Maven decision was a decision not to work with A.I., with the U.S. military -- but they’re working with the Communist Chinese.
And so the question is, you know, from the outside is just -- what in the world is going on there? And I sort of suggested a few different possibilities. But I think, you know, it’s been – they described it as a Manhattan Project for A.I. So if you go around broadcasting that you’re building a Manhattan Project for A.I., I would think this naturally would draw the attention of foreign intelligence agencies.
I think the Chinese are confident enough, the Ministry of State Security is likely to have infiltrated Google, and then I think the Google management has sort of a decision of either letting the software go out the front door, or figuring, it will get stolen anyway and go out the back door.
CARLSON: When you say you believe that Chinese State Security is likely to have infiltrated Google, what does that mean?
THIEL: Well, if you say you’re building a Manhattan Project for A.I., don’t you think that would attract the interest of foreign intelligence agencies?
(CROSSTALK)
CARLSON: Yeah. Yeah --
THIEL: It’s just hidden in plain sight. And then they are -- well, I think there are sort of all these ways that Chinese nationals are engaged in espionage in the U.S. I’m not even -- it’s understandable that China is doing that. They see themselves in a very serious competition with the U.S., but we’re not particularly on our guard about it, and if you have sort of a series of super futuristic tech projects that you’ve broadcast to the whole world, it could lead to suspicion. And then the weird fact that’s indisputable, is that Google is working with Communist China, but not with the U.S. military on its breakthrough A.I. technology --
(CROSSTALK)
CARLSON: Why is that?
THIEL: Well, that’s the question. I mean I think, I think one explanation is they figure they have to, because it’ll get -- if they don’t give it to them through the front door, it will get stolen through the back door. So the first answer is they have to.
And then I think of course, there’s probably you know, a broad base of Google employees that are ideologically super left wing sort of woke, and think that China is better than the U.S. Or that the U.S. is worse than China. It’s always -- it’s more anti-American than anything.
(CROSSTALK)
CARLSON: Always. But this is, by definition, a threat to American national security, as you point out. So if Sundar Pichai was sitting right here, what would you say to him?
THIEL: Well, I would say answer my three questions. How many foreign intelligence agencies have infiltrated Google? Has -- have the Chinese, in particular, infiltrated? And why are you working with Communist China and not the U.S.? What is the reason you’re doing that?
CARLSON: Why do you think that -- the questions you raise -- and this, and this is not in any way to minimize their importance -- are kind of obvious questions; why haven’t (inaudible) ascertain the answers?
THIEL: Well, it’s possible that there are people in the U.S. government looking into it and they haven’t told us. But yeah, I think the FBI and the CIA would be the natural places to look into it. The FBI would look at it from the domestic side; the CIA would look at it from the outside and you know, would try to look at seeing if from the outside, their people, you know, controlling people inside Google or --
(CROSSTALK)
CARLSON: So if someone who’s -- this is almost rhetorical -- but as someone who’s built a lot of companies, as you have, do you think it would have been possible to create, to incubate and grow a company like Google in China? Or --
THIEL: I don’t think -- I think the U.S. is still better at innovation and at starting things, but it certainly can be copied and replicated.
CARLSON: Right.
THIEL: And something like this is true of all the breakthrough technologies we have. Most of them are still originating and developing in the West, but they don’t give us much of an advantage if they get transferred in a matter of a few years, if not a matter of months.
CARLSON: So I have to ask you -- I assume you’re watching the Democratic primaries unfold; who’s the most impressive candidate in that race, do you think?
THIEL: Well, I’m most scared by Elizabeth Warren. You know, I think she’s the one who’s actually talking about the economy, which is the only thing that I think -- the thing that I think matters by far the most.
CARLSON: Yes.
THIEL: And then I think almost all the others are equally unimpressive in the sense that it’s all identity politics of one flavor or another, and I wouldn’t want to rank how unimpressive they are, since that would be forcing me to rank the different identities and which one’s more privileged and more special --
(LAUGHTER)
-- and that would be a dangerous thing to get into.
CARLSON: It’s hard to know. It’s like --
(CROSSTALK)
THIEL: But I think Elizabeth Warren’s the dangerous one.
CARLSON: I think that’s right. Peter Thiel, it’s great to see you. Thank you.
THIEL: Thanks.
While speaking at the National Conservatism Conference in Washington yesterday, Thiel warned that Google may have been infiltrated by Chinese intelligence and ought to be subject to immediate investigation by the FBI and the CIA.
I’m happy to have Peter Thiel join us tonight. Peter, thanks a lot for coming on. So --
(CROSSTALK)
PETER THIEL, CO-FOUNDER, PAYPAL: -- thanks for having me.
CARLSON: What did you mean when you said that?
THIEL: Well, it was just in the form of a set of questions I asked, where you know, artificial intelligence is something people talk about nonstop in Silicon Valley -- but they almost never talk about its dual use. If it’s real, if this is a real thing, it obviously can also be used by the military, it’ll be weaponized in all sorts of ways, and it’s an important national security question as to who has it.
There’s this very peculiar background where Google is working with the Chinese on Communist government and not with the U.S. military; so the Project Maven decision was a decision not to work with A.I., with the U.S. military -- but they’re working with the Communist Chinese.
And so the question is, you know, from the outside is just -- what in the world is going on there? And I sort of suggested a few different possibilities. But I think, you know, it’s been – they described it as a Manhattan Project for A.I. So if you go around broadcasting that you’re building a Manhattan Project for A.I., I would think this naturally would draw the attention of foreign intelligence agencies.
I think the Chinese are confident enough, the Ministry of State Security is likely to have infiltrated Google, and then I think the Google management has sort of a decision of either letting the software go out the front door, or figuring, it will get stolen anyway and go out the back door.
CARLSON: When you say you believe that Chinese State Security is likely to have infiltrated Google, what does that mean?
THIEL: Well, if you say you’re building a Manhattan Project for A.I., don’t you think that would attract the interest of foreign intelligence agencies?
(CROSSTALK)
CARLSON: Yeah. Yeah --
THIEL: It’s just hidden in plain sight. And then they are -- well, I think there are sort of all these ways that Chinese nationals are engaged in espionage in the U.S. I’m not even -- it’s understandable that China is doing that. They see themselves in a very serious competition with the U.S., but we’re not particularly on our guard about it, and if you have sort of a series of super futuristic tech projects that you’ve broadcast to the whole world, it could lead to suspicion. And then the weird fact that’s indisputable, is that Google is working with Communist China, but not with the U.S. military on its breakthrough A.I. technology --
(CROSSTALK)
CARLSON: Why is that?
THIEL: Well, that’s the question. I mean I think, I think one explanation is they figure they have to, because it’ll get -- if they don’t give it to them through the front door, it will get stolen through the back door. So the first answer is they have to.
And then I think of course, there’s probably you know, a broad base of Google employees that are ideologically super left wing sort of woke, and think that China is better than the U.S. Or that the U.S. is worse than China. It’s always -- it’s more anti-American than anything.
(CROSSTALK)
CARLSON: Always. But this is, by definition, a threat to American national security, as you point out. So if Sundar Pichai was sitting right here, what would you say to him?
THIEL: Well, I would say answer my three questions. How many foreign intelligence agencies have infiltrated Google? Has -- have the Chinese, in particular, infiltrated? And why are you working with Communist China and not the U.S.? What is the reason you’re doing that?
CARLSON: Why do you think that -- the questions you raise -- and this, and this is not in any way to minimize their importance -- are kind of obvious questions; why haven’t (inaudible) ascertain the answers?
THIEL: Well, it’s possible that there are people in the U.S. government looking into it and they haven’t told us. But yeah, I think the FBI and the CIA would be the natural places to look into it. The FBI would look at it from the domestic side; the CIA would look at it from the outside and you know, would try to look at seeing if from the outside, their people, you know, controlling people inside Google or --
(CROSSTALK)
CARLSON: So if someone who’s -- this is almost rhetorical -- but as someone who’s built a lot of companies, as you have, do you think it would have been possible to create, to incubate and grow a company like Google in China? Or --
THIEL: I don’t think -- I think the U.S. is still better at innovation and at starting things, but it certainly can be copied and replicated.
CARLSON: Right.
THIEL: And something like this is true of all the breakthrough technologies we have. Most of them are still originating and developing in the West, but they don’t give us much of an advantage if they get transferred in a matter of a few years, if not a matter of months.
CARLSON: So I have to ask you -- I assume you’re watching the Democratic primaries unfold; who’s the most impressive candidate in that race, do you think?
THIEL: Well, I’m most scared by Elizabeth Warren. You know, I think she’s the one who’s actually talking about the economy, which is the only thing that I think -- the thing that I think matters by far the most.
CARLSON: Yes.
THIEL: And then I think almost all the others are equally unimpressive in the sense that it’s all identity politics of one flavor or another, and I wouldn’t want to rank how unimpressive they are, since that would be forcing me to rank the different identities and which one’s more privileged and more special --
(LAUGHTER)
-- and that would be a dangerous thing to get into.
CARLSON: It’s hard to know. It’s like --
(CROSSTALK)
THIEL: But I think Elizabeth Warren’s the dangerous one.
CARLSON: I think that’s right. Peter Thiel, it’s great to see you. Thank you.
THIEL: Thanks.
