Finally a Comprehensive Agenda to Handle the Ah Long Debacle

[scroobal]

Department of Fisheries - fished it out from someone. I think it has already gone thru parliament.

Source please?

 

[Papititis]

Euphemism used by secret society members and Ah Bengs for detention without trial. No such section. Its like F4 for Tilik and company

Lol. Shooting in the wrong direction as usual.

 

[Papititis]

Replying to some idiots!

And other than a motherfucker, you are???????

 

[Kid278]

Section 55 has been around for as long as I've lived. It was a very powerful tool against the triads and gangsters in the 50s-70s. It practically gives the police a free hand and the Minister his pleasure. Why did it take the govt so long to recognise the problem and to use simple bt effective tools like Sect 55 to deal with these intimidation, unruly and unlawful behaviour? Shall we gve 3 Hail Marys to PAP?

Infact they did invoke section 55 a few years back and had detain quite a number arrested for loan-sharking or atleast on suspicion for that matter but for some unknown reasons they make a U turn and start charging people in court. Just like gang clashes, previously those involved are detained under this section but now they are charged with rioting penal codes.

If I am informed correctly, section 55 was a section of the public security act the british uses to suppress dissidents. And David Marshall had once expressed deep regrets it was not excluded from the constitution when negotiating for independence.

This section 55 is an evil arm of tyrants and is open to abuse by the power and whoever wields it, it has various subsection that empower those in authorities the power of detention without trial. When Lim Yew Hock became chief minister, he invoke this section to suppress those anti-colonial activist (PAP ) and the communist, it impresses the british in the second round negotiation and won internal self government for singapore.

Then he went on to round up the triads and secret societies putting them in pulau senang with no hope of leaving the island. But in 1960 a riot erupted and the superintendent and two officers were killed. Many were charged but only 18 were found guilty and sentenced to death. I dont have the dates but I was told these 18 were hanged in a single day,it made history.

When the old fart came to power, he similarly invoke this section 55 or it's various subsection to detain his political opponents. Then later the triads, secret societies members and later drug pushers as well as drug addicts. A few years back loansharking were also included but now I am not too sure.

Section 55 was not a penal code, nonetheless its subsection amendments are made spelling out extracts of various offences or crimes. But the fact that its a tool for detention without trial, an accuse even if with an attorney is never going to court but only going thru a panel consisting of maybe an officer from CID and an officer from MHA and finally a court sanction.

This section of detention without trial is against the Rule of Law, its tyranny, it has to be repeal.

 

[lurpsexx]

When and how did I backtracked ? I just disagreed with that detention without trial and the family thingy. Investigating and convicting them in a proper court with full transparency is the only way to go.

Wait till your house got splashed with red, black, blue paint and the loan shark runners smash your windows and set fire to your main door and pad-locked your main gate, while the main door is burning, and your family cannot escape and may be burnt to death, just bec someone else borrowed $$$ from ah long with your address... then see if u will still spout your theories of "Investigating and convicting them in a proper court with full transparency is the only way to go" here...

You've never been thru the trauma and anxiety of some loan shark runners coming at any time to visit harm on you and your loved ones in your flat.. so don't go round spewing your THEORIES in your arm chair... Experience is the greatest teacher.. I know, bec I'd been thru this as a victim too... :oIo:

 

[scroobal]

You indeed an interesting chap and I can say that you au fair with what on goes on in the subtarranean culture.

You are absolutely right. In 1998, they detained the younger brother of Chua Tiong Tiong (Ah Long San), Chua Tiong Chye (Lau Ter Kor) under CLTP. Its the younger brother that is the actual kingpin and not the Ah Long San. Even Subash got that part wrong.

Yes, they are bringing it back as the its has worse.

Infact they did invoke section 55 a few years back and had detain quite a number arrested for loan-sharking or atleast on suspicion for that matter but for some unknown reasons they make a U turn and start charging people in court. Just like gang clashes, previously those involved are detained under this section but now they are charged with rioting penal codes.

 

[boundThunter]

Wait till your house got splashed with red, black, blue paint and the loan shark runners smash your windows and set fire to your main door and pad-locked your main gate, while the main door is burning, and your family cannot escape and may be burnt to death, just bec someone else borrowed $$$ from ah long with your address... then see if u will still spout your theories of "Investigating and convicting them in a proper court with full transparency is the only way to go" here...

You've never been thru the trauma and anxiety of some loan shark runners coming at any time to visit harm on you and your loved ones in your flat.. so don't go round spewing your THEORIES in your arm chair... Experience is the greatest teacher.. I know, bec I'd been thru this as a victim too... :oIo:

Wait till they put you in detention without trial. Experience is really the greatest teacher. :oIo: too.

 

[Frankiestine]

But there is nothing comprehensive against the biggest ah long in singapore..

 

[scroobal]

Here is the second part bro,

55 comes from the year 1955 when the British Colonial Govt introduced it to combat secret societies and general disorder such as strikes. It expires every 5 years hence the term "temporary provisions" in the Criminal law Temporary Provisions Act. It has been faithfully renewed every 5 years.

Its biggest effect is when witnesses are intimidated and no court conviction can be secured. No man with a decent IQ will consider testifying against a secret society or an organised racket. Court cases cannot operate in a vacumn. The law and order comes to a standstill. During the "Troubles" in the Northern Ireland with the civil war raging with the Provisonal IRA, similar laws were introduced and many were detained without trial. I am talking about 1970 to 1975. Witnesses or their family members kidnapped, shot and the bodies prominently left by roadside to deter others from testifying in courts.

By the way over 70 Ah Longs are currently held in detention. The syndicates now operate across borders.

If I am informed correctly, section 55 was a section of the public security act the british uses to suppress dissidents. And David Marshall had once expressed deep regrets it was not excluded from the constitution when negotiating for independence.

This section 55 is an evil arm of tyrants and is open to abuse by the power and whoever wields it, it has various subsection that empower those in authorities the power of detention without trial. When Lim Yew Hock became chief minister, he invoke this section to suppress those anti-colonial activist (PAP ) and the communist, it impresses the british in the second round negotiation and won internal self government for singapore.

Then he went on to round up the triads and secret societies putting them in pulau senang with no hope of leaving the island. But in 1960 a riot erupted and the superintendent and two officers were killed. Many were charged but only 18 were found guilty and sentenced to death. I dont have the dates but I was told these 18 were hanged in a single day,it made history.

When the old fart came to power, he similarly invoke this section 55 or it's various subsection to detain his political opponents. Then later the triads, secret societies members and later drug pushers as well as drug addicts. A few years back loansharking were also included but now I am not too sure.

Section 55 was not a penal code, nonetheless its subsection amendments are made spelling out extracts of various offences or crimes. But the fact that its a tool for detention without trial, an accuse even if with an attorney is never going to court but only going thru a panel consisting of maybe an officer from CID and an officer from MHA and finally a court sanction.

This section of detention without trial is against the Rule of Law, its tyranny, it has to be repeal.

 

[Kid278]

You indeed an interesting chap and I can say that you au fair with what on goes on in the subtarranean culture.

You are absolutely right. In 1998, they detained the younger brother of Chua Tiong Tiong (Ah Long San), Chua Tiong Chye (Lau Ter Kor) under CLTP. Its the younger brother that is the actual kingpin and not the Ah Long San. Even Subash got that part wrong.

Yes, they are bringing it back as the its has worse.

Loansharking had ben around for a long time, no one bother and no one cares even when Ah Long San made headlines. Loansharks of the past era, they and their deputies only go after debtors, they dont do silly things that will attract the law's attention.

In actual facts it's the current bad debt collectors that's getting out of hand. Current loansharks' modus operandi is that when a debtor defaults, debt collections are sub contracted out to bad debt collectors for certain percentage recoverable. These are the ones that will go all out, harassing, splashing paints, spray painting stairways and whatever ugly ideas they can think of to get a percentage of the debt.

I guess you are right they'll invoke that section again if charging them in court is not good enough to curb the situation. With casinos opening, cash rich foreign syndicates will also want part of the action as far as loansharking is concerned.

 

[Papititis]

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Re: Finally a Comprehensive Agenda to Handle the Ah Long Debacle

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What the fuck is Section 55?

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Last edited by scroobal; Today at 05:40 AM.

I posted the same five words and two numerals as the above. What the fuck were you attempting to edit? You were unable align it to your personal agenda or your fucking embarassment? You are blatantly abusing your warrant as a moderator in this forum.:oIo:

 

[Papititis]

This crime affects the common in the street but not those staying in good class bungalows. That probabaly explains why they could not be bothered. Elections are near and grassroots complained.

It reared its ugly head in the mid 80s with a wave of splashed paint, threats painted on doors and lifts. It even led to wholesale corruption in the Police force with at least one ASP sent to prison. The only consolation was Ah Long San refused to implicate other public servants.

The entire Moneylenders Act was actually replaced with a new set only a year ago in Dec 08 It did not work. First time that I have seen substantial parts of new law being replaced within a year.

By the way, Sec 55 was introduced by the British and it is faithfully renewed by parliament every 5 years.

And I was responding to this post, the first from you preceding mine! :oIo:

 

[Kid278]

Here is the second part bro,

55 comes from the year 1955 when the British Colonial Govt introduced it to combat secret societies and general disorder such as strikes. It expires every 5 years hence the term "temporary provisions" in the Criminal law Temporary Provisions Act. It has been faithfully renewed every 5 years.

Its biggest effect is when witnesses are intimidated and no court conviction can be secured. No man with a decent IQ will consider testifying against a secret society or an organised racket. Court cases cannot operate in a vacumn. The law and order comes to a standstill. During the "Troubles" in the Northern Ireland with the civil war raging with the Provisonal IRA, similar laws were introduced and many were detained without trial. I am talking about 1970 to 1975. Witnesses or their family members kidnapped, shot and the bodies prominently left by roadside to deter others from testifying in courts.

By the way over 70 Ah Longs are currently held in detention. The syndicates now operate across borders.

I had no info what year that section came into existent. I was only given to know that section is a sub section of the british public security act in all british colonies.

Some abolishes it when they gain independence but singapore retain it and just like us malaysia too retain it. I too had no info about the 5 yearly renewal. All I know is detainees are subjected to yearly reviews and MHA holds the power to extend or release.

In modern day singapore, those witness intimidation you're saying no longer exist, thus that section is no longer valid, it's high time it is repealed. Like I said before that section is open to abuse by the power and whoever wields it. You may choose not to agree but history had shown it has been abused before atleast politically. For anti-terrorism maybe they should introduce an anti-terrorism act if they deem necessary.

 

[Papititis]

I had no info what year that section came into existent. I was only given to know that section is a sub section of the british public security act in all british colonies.

Some abolishes it when they gain independence but singapore retain it and just like us malaysia too retain it. I too had no info about the 5 yearly renewal. All I know is detainees are subjected to yearly reviews and MHA holds the power to extend or release.

In modern day singapore, those witness intimidation you're saying no longer exist, thus that section is no longer valid, it's high time it is repealed. Like I said before that section is open to abuse by the power and whoever wields it. You may choose not to agree but history had shown it has been abused before atleast politically. For anti-terrorism maybe they should introduce an anti-terrorism act if they deem necessary.

You are a naturally honest person unlike some people who google for facts after their rebuttals were found wanting. There is a difference between ISA $ CLTPA. And there is no fucking section 55 when dealing with ah longs. But then rank has it's privileges. Stay out of things that won't agree with the dictatorship here. Talk about a pot calling a kettle black! Fuck!

 

[VIBGYOR]

Many were charged but only 18 were found guilty and sentenced to death. I dont have the dates but I was told these 18 were hanged in a single day,it made history.

i wonder if they have arrested the wrong guys....

 

[Kid278]

i wonder if they have arrested the wrong guys....

Honestly I dont know, innitially over 50 were charge with rioting and killing the officers. But after the trial some were found guilty of rioting and some were aquitted, only 18 were found guilty.

I was told they were rioting with arms and all 18 of them were in the superintent's boat trying to get away when captured. And all 18 pleaded guilty without implicating others.

Any wrong guys arrested i wonder too, only those involved will know. Of course simple logic will tell us does it really need 18 to kill just three officers. And in a riot anyone can be the one that does the killing.

 

[longbow]

Detention without trial should go. Prime for abuse. Must have greater confidence in our police and legal system. I beleive that strong penalties and active enforcement will shut them down and for Ah longs to go legitimate. At the end of the day it is all $$$ and if we make it not profitable - can go after all their assets them it would not make sense for them to be in this business.

On the other side of the coin there should be a legalized form of micro finance/small loans that will allow those in need to have recourse.

I think they are getting ready for opening of casinos.

 

[longbow]

Detention without trial should go. Prime for abuse. Must have greater confidence in our police and legal system. I beleive that strong penalties and active enforcement will shut them down and for Ah longs to go legitimate. At the end of the day it is all $$$ and if we make it not profitable - can go after all their assets them it would not make sense for them to be in this business.

On the other side of the coin there should be a legalized form of micro finance/small loans that will allow those in need to have recourse.

I think they are getting ready for opening of casinos.

Also with influx of FTs there are probably many more Ah Long cases going after wrong flats

 

[BlueCat]

they will always be around.
new group will always come up.
the gain or profit is too much for them to give up.

 

[scroobal]

edited out the smell.

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Re: Finally a Comprehensive Agenda to Handle the Ah Long Debacle

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What the fuck is Section 55?

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Last edited by scroobal; Today at 05:40 AM.

I posted the same five words and two numerals as the above. What the fuck were you attempting to edit? You were unable align it to your personal agenda or your fucking embarassment? You are blatantly abusing your warrant as a moderator in this forum.:oIo: