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Ex-CPF staff exposes CPF scams

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An Ex-CPF Employee Exposes the 3 Biggest Complaints Singaporeans Have About Their CPF Accounts

Few questions divide Singaporeans as much as this one – What is CPF used for? As you process your own answer to that question, chances are the words “retirement,” “housing,” healthcare” and maybe “Ponzi scheme” are running through your head.

But no matter what function(s) you think CPF serves, everyone faces the reality of having to pay their “dues” to keep the system going. That means contributing 20% of your salary (up to age 50) every month to a scheme that only benefits those who vastly surpass the current minimum balance of $148K. Sadly, more Singaporeans who have money in CPF and need it can’t even touch it.

An ex-CPF employee named “Brian” (who wishes to remain anonymous for very obvious reasons), who deals with the valid concerns of Singaporeans daily, was kind enough to help us shed some light on what Singaporeans complain about most when it comes to their CPF accounts.

Here are Singaporeans’ 3 biggest complaints about their CPF accounts:


1. It’s Nearly Impossible to Access Your Retirement Account (RA) Funds

The biggest limiting factor people have when it comes to their CPF accounts is the fact that their Retirement Account (RA) funds are about as inaccessible as Area 51 until you reach the drawdown, which varies from 62 to 65 depending on your year of birth.

The problem with having an inaccessible RA account is that it leaves Singaporeans still servicing their home loan with their CPF in a helpless situation because:

Retrenchment: No income means they can no longer make contributions into his/her Ordinary Account (OA).
Contribution level: The contribution level decreases significantly after 55, making it harder to meet the minimum cash component in RA.

“It’s sad, there were several occasions when we had to direct Singaporeans to HDB or the banks because our hands were tied – we couldn’t release their funds to them even though they may have thousands in their RA to help with their home loan repayments,” says Brian.

Ironically, the only exceptions for using your RA funds involve purchasing property under the following conditions:

You can only use the excess in your RA AFTER setting aside the minimum cash component, which is currently $148K.
Of that $148K, you’ll need to maintain $74K in your RA, with the excess (excluding annual interests) being available for the purchase of property.

*Note on property purchases: According to Brian, there is a way for you to use your OA towards purchasing property. If you have booked a BTO flat before turning 55, you can write in to CPF to have funds from your OA reserved for the purchase. In fact, Singaporeans have been successful in having these requests approved.


2. You Can’t Withdraw As Much from CPF at Age 55

Just a few years ago, if you turned 55 before 2009, you could have withdrawn 50% of your combined OA and Special Account (SA) funds! So if you had today’s current minimum sum of $148K, you could withdraw $74,000.

Then in 2009, the limit dropped to 40%. And then… well, I think you know where this is going right? Let’s just say that CPF reduced the withdrawal limit faster than an Indonesian palm plantation owner reduces forestland.

Today, if you don’t have the full minimum sum of $148K – you ONLY get $5K. The rest gets sent over to your RA, which you probably won’t see for another 7 to 10 years.

The biggest complaints Brian received about the inability of some Singaporeans to get more than $5K were:

Couldn’t pay off debts: Singaporeans who were financially troubled and had debts to pay off could not pay them even though they had thousands of dollars in their RA.
In danger of home repossession: Singaporeans who were having trouble keeping up with their home loan repayments due to retrenchment or financial difficulty couldn’t access the money they needed to maintain their repayments even though they might have had $50K in their RA.
Couldn’t go on pilgrimage: Many elderly Muslims who were waiting till age 55 to use their funds to go on pilgrimage (Hajj) were left disappointed when the amount they could withdraw wasn’t enough.

*Note on pledging your property: Brian points out that if you’ve used your CPF to purchase a home, you can opt to pledge or increase the pledge of your property. So if you just turn 55 this year and you’ve got the full minimum sum of $148K, you can pledge your property up to $74K, freeing up the “excess” $74K in your CPF for withdrawal.


3. There Are Times When You CAN’T Use CPF for Housing


When you buy a home, there’s a limit to how much CPF you can use to purchase a home, called the Valuation Limit (VL). The VL is determined by the lower value of either the market price or the valuation price of a home, and you cannot withdraw more than 120% of the VL, which is called the Withdrawal Limit (WL).

So what happens when you reach the VL of your home?

If you’re below 55, you’ll need to maintain either half the prevailing minimum sum cash component (Your OA+SA+SA investments) or the minimum sum cash component in your RA if you’re over 55 (and you can only use your RA excess to service your home loan). If you don’t follow these conditions, you CAN’T use your CPF to service your home loan.

Not knowing when you can’t use your CPF to service your home loan is a huge reason why people contact CPF, especially when Singaporeans:

Reach their VL before age 55 and haven’t maintained half of their prevailing minimum sum cash component (OA+SA+SA investments).
Reach their VL after age 55 and haven’t maintained their minimum sum cash component in their RA (only RA excess can be used!).
Surpass their WL.

CPF Staff Are There to Help, But They Don’t Make Policy

“We understand that CPF needs to be more flexible in allowing Singaporeans to use their funds. What’s the point of having thousands of ‘untouchable’ dollars set aside for retirement when Singaporeans are dealing with financial difficulty now? But we do our best to help people out as much as possible,” says Brian.

Brian also stated that the complaints above made up about 70% of their total communications. That’s A LOT of daily gripes to deal with.

Most Singaporeans have their reasons to complain about CPF. If you’ve read Dear CPF: Give Me Back My Money, you know just a few of the many grievances people have with the scheme. But before you call up or email CPF to give them a piece of your mind, please remember that the hard working employees don’t set policy – they’re there to help you as best as they can.
 
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Hehehehe. One of the quiz I posted. Sekali no one responded. Must be so difficult until .....hehehehehe.
 
Hehehehe. One of the quiz I posted. Sekali no one responded. Must be so difficult until .....hehehehehe.

The answer is in the original post mah. And your question can only be answered by CPF staff. LOL, too cheem
 
Actually when CPF was started, its primarily purpose was to provide cheap finance for public infrastructure projects. That is how majority of the population have clean living environment like HDB estates, in addition to world crass airport and largest cargo handling ports. Singaporeans private consumption was delayed to provide the money for the greater good of the country. I am proud of CPF. I believed they have done good for the society.

i bet our neighbours would have siphoned all those money if they have a CPF board.
 
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Actually when CPF was started, its primarily purpose was to provide cheap finance for public infrastructure projects. That is how majority of the population have clean living environment like HDB estates, in addition to world crass airport and largest cargo handling ports. Singaporeans private consumption was delayed to provide the money for the greater good of the country. I am proud of CPF. I believed they have done good for the society.

i bet our neighbours would have siphoned all those money if they have a CPF board.

Our neighbours do have the equivalent of CPF, stupid. Its called the Employee Provident Fund. And the money has not been siphoned off idiot. Last year they gave 6.35% return on the fund, CPF give how much? You know or not? Try 2.5%. Who is the one siphoning the money? Typical PAP IB shits like you come here when there is anything negative to be said about the govt., and than try and deflect the criticism by comparing apples and oranges with the neighbour. The PAP needs to hire a better quality of IB assholes. Ones that were actually born in Singapore and have a brain.
 
The answer is in the original post mah. And your question can only be answered by CPF staff. LOL, too cheem
Thanks for posting this. On the VL, many peasants don't know. I only know when I wanted to pay in full in cpf to redeem my pigeonhole. And tah boleh. So in the end, pay cash. Luckily, amount not much cos pigeonhole was affordable then. Now? Good luck to peasants still servicing your pigeonholes.
 
Your hatred for pap has blinded you. I am an opposition supporter. I have even donated to the opposition before. Sometimes you have to say the truth even though it hurts. Credit must be given when it is due. Do not always think of one side. That makes you super bias.
 
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Your hatred for pap has blinded you. I am an opposition supporter. I have even donated to the opposition before. Sometimes you have to say the truth even though it hurts. Credit must be given when it is due. Do not always think of one side. That makes you super bias.
Izit? Which oppo u sarport? Gms?
 
Actually when CPF was started, its primarily purpose was to provide cheap finance for public infrastructure projects. That is how majority of the population have clean living environment like HDB estates, in addition to world crass airport and largest cargo handling ports. Singaporeans private consumption was delayed to provide the money for the greater good of the country. I am proud of CPF. I believed they have done good for the society.

i bet our neighbours would have siphoned all those money if they have a CPF board.

Don't talk about the past... long ago the policemen wore shorts and LKY had black hair. So?

And don't talk about neighbours when you can't even get your own house in order. :rolleyes:
 
Your hatred for pap has blinded you. I am an opposition supporter. I have even donated to the opposition before. Sometimes you have to say the truth even though it hurts. Credit must be given when it is due. Do not always think of one side. That makes you super bias.

You are really a gong cheebye living in the past like your vile pappy scum masters.
 
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CPF still can get back har?

you can give up your citizen ship and take back everything.
after that apply back as FT...join the queue like tiong and keleng kia...with the pocket full of $$
 
Can someone explain point 3 in layman terms? It is really confusing... damn..
 
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