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Everyyear I hear SIA pilots quarrel with SIA over their PAYS

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SIA, pilots reach interim deal
Pilots re-hired after retirement will be paid effective mid-point pay
By Karamjit Kaur, Aviation Correspondent

AN INTERIM solution has been accepted by Singapore Airlines (SIA) and its pilots' union to settle a longstanding stalemate over pay and other benefits for employment beyond 62.

Urged by the Manpower Ministry (MOM) to find common ground, SIA has agreed to pay pilots re-hired after retirement the effective mid-point of their salary scale.

The Straits Times understands that a captain, who is already at the top end of the scale, would get a basic monthly pay of $15,000.

When negotiations started many months ago, SIA had proposed to pay the basic starting pay of about $12,000, with the re-hired pilot forgoing all previous increments.

This was rejected by the Air Line Pilots Association-Singapore (Alpa-S).

Both sides turned to the ministry for help.

The deadlock was over the terms and conditions for working between the ages of 62 and 65, which is when pilots have to give up their wings as required by the International Civil Aviation Organisation, the United Nations body which regulates the aviation industry.

Despite several rounds of conciliation meetings facilitated by the ministry, SIA and Alpa-S were still not able to see eye to eye.

That was when MOM suggested that, as an interim arrangement, SIA could offer suitable candidates re-employment and pay them the effective mid-point of the salary scale, a ministry spokesman told The Straits Times yesterday.

The airline agreed and the union had no objections.

The spokesman said the arrangement would not hamper the ability of both sides to negotiate for terms and conditions for re-employment before or after the Retirement and Re-employment Act comes into effect.

The new law, which will be effective in January next year , will make it compulsory for companies to offer re-employment to retired staff.

The ministry stressed that it is in the interest of Singapore employers to re- hire experienced staff, particularly in a tight labour market.

It would also let older workers continue to work and contribute to their firms and the economy, the spokesman said.

When contacted, union president Captain P. James said it is a positive development that the ministry has convinced the company to pay the effective mid-point salary.

He said: 'The current collective agreement that we have with the company does not stipulate the pay and conditions for retired pilots who are re-hired. Now, there is a guideline.'

The union represents the majority of SIA's more than 2,000 pilots.

SIA spokesman Nicholas Ionides said the company is pleased to be able to implement a re-employment scheme for pilots which is in line with the Tripartite Guidelines on Re-employment.

For the pilots though, the saga is far from over, said Captain James.

He said: 'We will take this matter up again when the new re-employment Act comes into effect.'

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The bloody overpaid greedy assholes are just never satisfied with their pay. It's already shown to everyone that they pay scale of a bloody senior pilot within the company is higher then almost everyone else except the SIA chief himself and they are still arguing about it. I can never forget how the public sentiment immediately swing 100% the other way to support SIA when we first found out how much this overpaid pricks are getting
 
The bloody overpaid greedy assholes are just never satisfied with their pay. It's already shown to everyone that they pay scale of a bloody senior pilot within the company is higher then almost everyone else except the SIA chief himself and they are still arguing about it. I can never forget how the public sentiment immediately swing 100% the other way to support SIA when we first found out how much this overpaid pricks are getting

Bloody traitor Char lAtan, why don't you pick on the greedy overpaid ministers' salaries first? :oIo:
 
All human are greedy just like our ministers keep on up theirs salary legally. Those not happy may leave and join others airline same as our minister they can join private sector or go oversea to work if they are really talented.
 
Bloody traitor Char lAtan, why don't you pick on the greedy overpaid ministers' salaries first? :oIo:

Do I even need to say anything. It's being repeated again and again and again and again in here. We have a least 1 thread dedicated to it. The fact that I have not gone against any of this thread should be indication enough that I do not disagree with them
 
The bloody overpaid greedy assholes are just never satisfied with their pay. It's already shown to everyone that they pay scale of a bloody senior pilot within the company is higher then almost everyone else except the SIA chief himself and they are still arguing about it. I can never forget how the public sentiment immediately swing 100% the other way to support SIA when we first found out how much this overpaid pricks are getting

$15000 a month is what your MP gets as monthly allowance.
 
Pilots are just like Taxi Drivers

Why do you want to pay them so much?

If they want to leave, we should replace them with PRC ones.

Fucking losers
 
To Yuelao

Just to prove my point, replies in the thread alone

$15000 a month is what your MP gets as monthly allowance.

All human are greedy just like our ministers keep on up theirs salary legally. Those not happy may leave and join others airline same as our minister they can join private sector or go oversea to work if they are really talented.

Do I even need to say anything. I'm just wasting my breath repeating the gazillion of post already said. If I don't come in and make noise about it, just go ahead and assume it's too stupid for me to comment or I agree with it.
 
Thats wat Unions r for.. They fight for the interest of the employees.. Is ther any other Unions that is as stubborn n dedicated as the Sia pilot Union?? Nadah!! Zero!! Ziltch!!
 
Do I even need to say anything. It's being repeated again and again and again and again in here. We have a least 1 thread dedicated to it. The fact that I have not gone against any of this thread should be indication enough that I do not disagree with them

You idiot! SIA is a commercial entity even though it is controlled by the govt. The ministers are fully paid with public money. Which is more important as a member of the public? Get your priorities right. :oIo:
 
If I don't come in and make noise about it, just go ahead and assume it's too stupid for me to comment or I agree with it.

I don't need to assume anything. You are too stupid to comment on anything. :oIo:
 
I was just going to say, 'that's no way to talk about your PAPZI masters.' Then I realized you were just practising the usual double standards.

The bloody overpaid greedy assholes are just never satisfied with their pay. It's already shown to everyone that they pay scale of a bloody senior pilot within the company is higher then almost everyone else except the SIA chief....
 
Pilots should be thoroughly screwed. Each of them owns at least 2 properties in general and they are always whining like pussies. Furthermore, no one is forcing them to stay with SIA. They can always fuck off. There are tonnes of Matlaysians waiting to take over them.
 
I was just going to say, 'that's no way to talk about your PAPZI masters.' Then I realized you were just practising the usual double standards.

oops, another forummer here that think likewise as me : charlatan is a 100% confirmed pap dog. :D
 
Who will complain money too much? :D

Haha...no one will complain money too much. But every single fucking year, they complain money not enough. And i mean every single fucking year!
 
the pilot union did what it's supposed to do, to protect the pilots interest, every time the agreement is up for review.

if singaporeans cannot even accept this, then they don't need the real union to protect their interest.

then they complain their salary getting lower and lower.

MPs get $15000 monthly for a part time job, some (LKY, LHL and other big shots) don't even do their job cos they are big shots.
 
The title should be : "Every year I hear SIA pilots quarrel with SIA over their PAY.".

Pay is a non countable noun. You do not add an "s" to make it plural.
 
Pilots are just like Taxi Drivers

Why do you want to pay them so much?

If they want to leave, we should replace them with PRC ones.

Fucking losers

WHy don't SIA employ taxi driver to take over the pilots?

Will you take a flight control by taxi driver.

I'm sure the plane can't even take off.
 
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