Elton John and partner become parents: Questions???

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LOS ANGELES (AFP) - – British pop superstar Elton John and his partner David Furnish have become the parents of a baby boy born to a surrogate mother in California, Us Magazine reported.

The weekly said the baby, named Zachary Jackson Levon Furnish-John, was born December 25 to a surrogate for John, 62, and 48-year-old Canadian filmmaker Furnish.

The name Levon appears to come from John's 1971 song of the same name.

"We are overwhelmed with happiness and joy at this very special moment," the couple were quoted by the magazine as saying in a joint statement.

"Zachary is healthy and doing really well, and we are very proud and happy parents."

John and Furnish married in 2005 after 12 years together.

The baby weighed 3.5 kilos (seven pounds, 15 ounces), according to the report, which said the couple would not be discussing any details relating to the surrogacy arrangements.

Among the first to react to the news of the birth was the couple's friend, British model and actress Elizabeth Hurley, who wrote on her Twitter page: "Massive congratulations to David and Elton on having their beautiful son. Can't wait for my first cuddle."

The star tried to adopt a 14-month-old boy he met while visiting an orphanage in Ukraine last year, but his attempt was blocked because Ukrainian law does not permit couples in same-sex marriages to adopt.

The singer admitted at the time that while Furnish had always wanted to adopt a child, he himself believed parenthood was incompatible with his lifestyle but changed his mind after the Ukrainian boy "stole my heart".

By turning to a surrogate mother, John has followed in the footsteps of "Sex in the City" star Sarah Jessica Parker and her actor husband Matthew Broderick who had twin girls by a surrogate mother in 2009.

Latino pop star Ricky Martin used a surrogate to have twin boys before announcing he was gay.

John and Furnish have a home in Britain, where surrogacy has increasingly become an option for gay couples over the past decade.

But it is tightly regulated under British law and couples often opt to have a surrogate child in countries where the rules are less demanding.

Elton John has sold more than 250 million records in a career spanning four decades and the singer-songwriter was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 1994.

His tribute single to the late Princess Diana, "Candle in the Wind 1997" -- a remake of his own "Candle in the Wind" -- became a phenomenal global success, selling more than 33 million copies, and he performed it at her funeral.

He admitted in a TV interview this month that he was "very close" to being killed by drugs in the 1970s

Question here. Who will be the "mom" here, since both are dad, similarly, who will be the dad, if both are mom.

Will the children grow up to be accepting same partner union as the norm, and seeing male-female union to be abnormal?.

In the case or surrogacy, is the sperm of the of either partner being used? Or surrogacy as in others sperm is being used, is there even a remote possibility that the children will grow up to be a sexual object, since there is no biological ties.
 
As the first generation come into adulthood, we will see some suing the state or those associated with the process of approval especially those allowed to be adopted where there no biological ties exist.

I can't recall which state but there is state in Australia where one single heterosexual male was the father to 41 kids over many years for lesbian couples so much so that the authorities had to step to create a register to prevent half bother and sisters getting married as gay couple tend to form friendship groups with other gay couples and their kids tend to have overlapping circles of friends.
 
"as gay couple tend to form friendship groups with other gay couples and their kids tend to have overlapping circles of friends."

Wouldn't that mean there is a very high tendency that these adopted kids would be influenced and see same partner union to be the norm
 
Not as the norm but more influenced or have a high propensity to follow the route.

"as gay couple tend to form friendship groups with other gay couples and their kids tend to have overlapping circles of friends."

Wouldn't that mean there is a very high tendency that these adopted kids would be influenced and see same partner union to be the norm
 
Elton John is probably one of the best songwriters of all time.

But surrogacy, gay marriages and adoption by gay couples don't cut it for me.

Surrogacy - There are plenty of orphans out there, including in impoverished countries who need a good home. Please go and adopt one of them. You are not manufacturing a product or doing a lab experiment.

Gay marriages - I have nothing against gays living together or people who want to adopt a homosexual lifestyle. Go and enjoy your lives together, but there's no need to tell the whole world or have a piece of paper to certify anything.

Adoption by gay couples - If they want to be gays, by all means go ahead. There should be no barriers from the law or from society. But let the straight couples have the children. There's a reason why mother nature gave men sperm and women ovaries, ova and uterus.
Actually most straight couples shouldn't have children either, but that's perhaps a discussion for another time.
 
Elton John is probably one of the best songwriters of all time.

With due respect, quite a distance behind John Lennon and Paul McCartney, even Bob Dylan, Bruce Springsteen, Billy Joel. Elton John is a good music composer and singer, yes. But this is no Lugwig Beethoven orchestra era. He needs a lyricist. For the prime part of his career, Bernie Taupin filled that role.
 
Everybody KBKB, especially the self righetous peasantpore chink x'tians over this queer union. But nobody said anything when Old Autocrat stage a dynastic succession in Peasantpore using North Korea as a model.

I wonder what peasant children feel when they see Old Autocrat paving the way for his son and allowing his late wife to make tons of money for his clan??

Only in Peasantpore.
 
With due respect, quite a distance behind John Lennon and Paul McCartney, even Bob Dylan, Bruce Springsteen, Billy Joel. Elton John is a good music composer and singer, yes. But this is no Lugwig Beethoven orchestra era. He needs a lyricist. For the prime part of his career, Bernie Taupin filled that role.

I am still a fan of Elton John, ignoring his private life; since he came into popular music from his Elton John album, until double LP's Blue Moves. From his Captain Fantastic & the Brown Dirt Cowboy, he began to decline.

Without Bernie Taupin, he is just another piano player, a good piano player...he needs someone to write these:

"it's a little bit funny this feeling inside, I am not one of those who can easily hide" from his 2nd Album "your song"

or

" I heard from a friend, you been messing around, with the cute litte thing, I have been dating uptown"
from his 'don't shoot me....' Album " Texan Love Song"

He is not in the same league as Bob Dylan!

"come gather round people through out the land, don't critize, what you don't understand"
from his "The Times they are a A changing"

or the complexity of his

"Then take me disappearin’ through the smoke rings of my mind
Down the foggy ruins of time, far past the frozen leaves
The haunted, frightened trees, out to the windy beach
Far from the twisted reach of crazy sorrow
Yes, to dance beneath the diamond sky with one hand waving free
Silhouetted by the sea, circled by the circus sands
With all memory and fate driven deep beneath the waves
Let me forget about today until tomorrow"
from his "Mr. Tambourine Man"

For easy listening pop music, Elton John/Bernie Taupin, they are a class of their own, but to be in the same league as those you had mentioned....he is not.
 
With due respect, quite a distance behind John Lennon and Paul McCartney, even Bob Dylan, Bruce Springsteen, Billy Joel. Elton John is a good music composer and singer, yes. But this is no Lugwig Beethoven orchestra era. He needs a lyricist. For the prime part of his career, Bernie Taupin filled that role.
Hmmm, yes, he needed help for the lyrics.
Great singer? Not really in terms of pure vocals, allthough he has a unique style.
For Springsteen, I only really liked 'Born To Run". For McCartney, "Hey Jude" and "Let It Be", so he's probably ahead of these 2 in my book.
Dylan, Lennon and Joel are probably ahead of him.
 
For easy listening pop music, Elton John/Bernie Taupin, they are a class of their own, but to be in the same league as those you had mentioned....he is not.

Bro, how about this?

Hey Jude, don't make it bad,
Take a sad song, and make it better.
Remember to let her into your heart,
Then you can start, to make it better.

Great tune, but also a little too "pop" and bubblegum, don't you think? :p
 
Elton John is probably one of the best songwriters of all time.

But surrogacy, gay marriages and adoption by gay couples don't cut it for me.

Surrogacy - There are plenty of orphans out there, including in impoverished countries who need a good home. Please go and adopt one of them. You are not manufacturing a product or doing a lab experiment.

Gay marriages - I have nothing against gays living together or people who want to adopt a homosexual lifestyle. Go and enjoy your lives together, but there's no need to tell the whole world or have a piece of paper to certify anything.

Adoption by gay couples - If they want to be gays, by all means go ahead. There should be no barriers from the law or from society. But let the straight couples have the children. There's a reason why mother nature gave men sperm and women ovaries, ova and uterus.
Actually most straight couples shouldn't have children either, but that's perhaps a discussion for another time.

Adoption by gay couples - If they want to be gays, by all means go ahead. There should be no barriers from the law or from society. But let the straight couples have the children.

It's interesting to note that same partner union, to a certain extent, yearn to have children too. But whether it will be positive for the child remains to be seen, though frankly, I am very skeptical of such arrangement as adoption or surrogacy.
 
it is also dependent on policies adopted by the government. over the years the american government has gone from support a nuclear family to single parent family to gay family, citing it as a lifestyle choice
 
If gay family/marriage is lifestyle choice, would the children, whether adopted or surrogacy be another lifestyle choice, much like a toy, will be discarded after tired being tired of it. (Note use of word "it", more as a thing, rather than a being)
 
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