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Elitism can be good for society - Viewpoint of an ex-RI student

Boliao

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http://www.straitstimes.com/forum/letters-on-the-web/elitism-can-be-good-for-society


Having graduated from Raffles Institution (RI) last year, I have witnessed the transformation of the school and would like to share my thoughts on the matter ("RI now a 'middle-class' school / 'Make RI a better school for S'pore'" and "RI population less diverse now, say many alumni"; both published on Aug 4).

Singapore is a society built on the core tenets of meritocracy, fairness and equity. However, in recent years, we seem to have collectively confused equity with equality.

Equality is making everyone stoop down to the lowest common denominator of society - everyone does the same thing and all are given equal probabilities. Equity entails everyone doing what their abilities allow them to do, and everyone being given equal opportunities to succeed; only the most outstanding grab those opportunities.

Often, what constitutes equality does not equate to equity. If we take a modern society and reduce it back to an agrarian one, where everyone puts in equal effort, we achieve equality but not equity - because we are taking people with the capability to be, for instance, lawyers and doctors, and making them do the same menial tasks as everyone else.

RI's principal, Mr Chan Poh Meng, highlighted the pursuit of equality - but what for? It is a natural consequence that students from affluent backgrounds get into better schools because their parents are likely more well-heeled and can afford better-quality education for them.

There is no point aiming for equality for the sake of equality, and giving up equity.

Elitism, in reality, is just the darker side of meritocracy. What has come about is a natural consequence of meritocracy - when we stream students according to their abilities, it is only natural that students whose families can afford better quality education make it to better institutions.

It is no fault of the school or the students or the precedence that previous principals have set. If anything, it is the fault of meritocracy.

But maybe that is not a fault at all. A natural consequence that stratifies society does have its own purpose for the well-educated, critical minds to mingle together to build Singapore up to greater heights. Intelligence is an asset; and we cannot allow ourselves to prioritise equality over intelligence and equity.

RI is often touted as a factory for future leaders - why would we want to draw resources away from the nurturing of our future leaders, or worse still, level the playing field?

We should relook the way we go off the well-trodden path, and ensure that we do not shake up the status quo just for the sake of doing so.
 

Thick Face Black Heart

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The article starts off well - explaining the difference between equality and equity.

Unfortunately the author's narrow mindset showed through in the subsequent paragraphs.

In a society with equal opportunities, a rich man's children will have the roughly same opportunities as a poor man's children. Of course, we can't expect exactly the same opportunities because society can never be perfect, but at least govt policies should foster a climate of equal opportunity.

The writer's mistake is to take the current state of the rich kids getting ahead simply based on their father's wealth as something that is all right, natural, and perfectly ok.

In this respect, the author has again confused "equality" with "equity".

Meritocracy creates social stratas, but it is the job of govt to merge stratas and not to amplify them.

This article begins on a good note but ends up making the same errors that it proposed to addressed.

Sad.
 

Thick Face Black Heart

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You never hear of the underpriviledged arguing for the merits of elitism or the merits of creating a stratified society. Only the privileged advance such arguments.

If something is truly a social good, even those who don't get to enjoy it will advocate for it, because they know it will benefit society.
 

frenchbriefs

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pitiful,even worse than ayn rand,is this the standard of R.I. nowadays?at least read some books and authors on ideology and politics and try to be more creative and comprenhensive and know what the fuck you are talking about.

same old boring arguments everytime these folks try to argue against socialism,communism and equality.....blah blah blah we would all be reduced to the lowest denominator,blah blah everyone will do worse to the point of completely fucking up.
 

congo9

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pitiful,even worse than ayn rand,is this the standard of R.I. nowadays?at least read some books and authors on ideology and politics and try to be more creative and comprenhensive and know what the fuck you are talking about.

same old boring arguments everytime these folks try to argue against socialism,communism and equality.....blah blah blah we would all be reduced to the lowest denominator,blah blah everyone will do worse to the point of completely fucking up.

Kind of shallow.
Very PAP kind of mentality mindset. These people cannot be the leader of any nation . They can be strong with their words, sound with argument, but depraved in logic.
 

Cerebral

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I believe his article truly examplifies the reason why our leadership needs more diverse thought process. Such narrow-minded outlook will be the detriment of our society
 

winnipegjets

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Equality is making everyone stoop down to the lowest common denominator of society

How about making everyone enjoy a higher standard of living? You can do that without depriving the more capable of their opportunities. Look at the Scandinavian countries as living proof. A social democracy where people's main expenses in life - childcare, education, unemployment insurance, health and pension - are paid for through taxation - people can start to live instead of being crippled with worries on how to pay for those big items.
 
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kopiOuncle

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You never hear of the underpriviledged arguing for the merits of elitism or the merits of creating a stratified society. Only the privileged advance such arguments.

If something is truly a social good, even those who don't get to enjoy it will advocate for it, because they know it will benefit society.


totally not true at all
me from the underprivileged and the marginalized
and I fully support elitism and aristocracy
given the opportunities and the intellect you possess
you can still go up up and up....

so my dear intellectual keyboard warrior
what say you

I know you are an intellectual giant here
thick face black heart
you know it but you do not have the black heart to admit it
elitism and aristocracy is good for the people...
 

dancingshoes

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What's wrong with elite ? Birds of same feather flock together for social or for business.

it may not be true, for social yes, for biz, it's different cos' of peer jealousy. you have to bear in mind that sometimes, those who help you are acquaintance that you just got to know.
 
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yellowarse

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Sad that this is the kind of Rafflesian that's churned out today. Writer is proof that today's RI is elitist, no longer the egalitarian RI of the old where students from all walks of life were admitted based purely on their ability. In that respect it is becoming more and more like ACS. Sigh.
 

kopiOuncle

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Sad that this is the kind of Rafflesian that's churned out today. Writer is proof that today's RI is elitist, no longer the egalitarian RI of the old where students from all walks of life were admitted based purely on their ability. In that respect it is becoming more and more like ACS. Sigh.

Not true lah.
Those peasants with good grades will be admitted without any discrimination.
Society has changed and evolved.
Words like elitism is an anachronism.
It does not apply anymore in a meritocracy.
The peasants will soon evolve into the Mandarin Class
And this will be great for our country.
What's wrong with an intellectual class?
If there are no intellectuals in our society
Singapore would have gone to the dogs long long ago.
Compassion,dedication,honesty and integrity are more important.
Why indulge in pettiness and irrelevant issues?
PAP is on the right track.
Get the talented people in and help to make Singapore a great place.
Certainly not the vulval mouths here!!!!
 

yellowarse

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The peasants will soon evolve into the Mandarin Class
And this will be great for our country.
What's wrong with an intellectual class?
If there are no intellectuals in our society
Singapore would have gone to the dogs long long ago.

You're missing the point. There's nothing wrong with an intellectual class, as long as it's formed from all social strata.

What's wrong is class stratification and ossification, leading to loss of social mobility. Today, academic performance is increasingly tied to wealth: children from rich families consistently do better than those from poor families, not due to superior natural ability but superior access to resources (private tuition, enrichment classes, etc.). And the gap is widening.

This is elitism, not meritocracy. Now stop barking, PAP IB, and go back to your doghouse.
 

mojito

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You're missing the point. There's nothing wrong with an intellectual class, as long as it's formed from all social strata.

What's wrong is class stratification and ossification, leading to loss of social mobility. Today, academic performance is increasingly tied to wealth: children from rich families consistently do better than those from poor families, not due to superior natural ability but superior access to resources (private tuition, enrichment classes, etc.). And the gap is widening.

This is elitism, not meritocracy. Now stop barking, PAP IB, and go back to your doghouse.

Nothing wrong with having superior access to resources. If you can't benefit from wealth, who would want to get rich? If you level the playing field, people are just going to become lazy with little motivation to do better. :rolleyes:
 

giggity_shit

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Nothing wrong with having superior access to resources. If you can't benefit from wealth, who would want to get rich? If you level the playing field, people are just going to become lazy with little motivation to do better. :rolleyes:

Rich are onl rich becos they exploit the masses.
 

Boliao

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Nothing wrong with having superior access to resources. If you can't benefit from wealth, who would want to get rich? If you level the playing field, people are just going to become lazy with little motivation to do better. :rolleyes:

Nothing wrong with being an elite or having privileges. The problem is equating that to caste system and entitlement. Elitism is a mentality, not a social status. The writer is wrong and ignorant on many fronts - equating equality to communism. Equality means everyone is given the same opportunity to be an elite and not destroying elites.

The most worrying problem is that many of our PAP MP thinks and believes strongly like the writer. Examples like Wee Shu Min and MP who believe mere mortals need to know their places and stop asking for "handouts". Hence their Principle's warning on elitism.
 
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Runifyouhaveto

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I believe his article truly examplifies the reason why our leadership needs more diverse thought process. Such narrow-minded outlook will be the detriment of our society

It is worse when slaves don't know that they are enslaved.
You can be stupid
but you cannot be ignorant
 
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