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Loofydralb

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Actually, I did. Links were all provided. But as usual, you choose to ignore whenever you can't reply. Even your own scriptures already said there are 7 different editions of arab-dialect qurans. Typical moslem cockroach behaviour. Run to the dark when cannot answer.
Your links only showed pics. No location where people can access it.
Your theory belongs to the twilight zone.
 

duluxe

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But you keep insisting Islam is a violent religion and kip quoting several verses from the hadiths. That means the hadiths are authentic? Can u make up your mind?:smile:

i will still continue to post more hadiths to surface the violence and flaws.
 

duluxe

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Those liars of hadiths would have given up praying five times a day and many more, stopped fasting, stopped giving zakat, stopped and started eating pork after 2 weeks! Hahaha.
They'd be found out as lying!

And If they were lies, there would be contradictions. Those would be thrown out.

Try harder. Christians don't have anything anywhere near this system of memorizing, recording transmitting and educating like the Muslims do. We keep detailed records.

how do modern muslims scholars verified the transmitters who died more than 1000 years ago they stopped prayer and ate pork?

The more you spin, the more you got yourself stuck in the m&d.

loofy has furnished another evidence. we (@Syed Putra, @JohnTan )have debunked the crap authenticity convincingly.
 

Loofydralb

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how do modern muslims scholars verified the transmitters who died more than 1000 years ago they stopped prayer and ate pork?

The more you spin, the more you got yourself stuck in the m&d.

loofy has furnished another evidence. we (@Syed Putra, @JohnTan )have debunked the crap authenticity convincingly.
Natural death of the transmission of that story.
Any Muslim will disbelieve someone who doesn't solat, fast, or pay zakat.
Then the transmission of that story grinds to a halt.
 

JohnTan

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Still you didn't answer:
Did your god ever had diarrhea?

Jesus was 100% man, 100% God. If you want to know if God ever had diarrhea, ask you yourself. :laugh:

You started your survey on whether a 54 year old man fucking a 9 year old girl is a pedophile?
 

Loofydralb

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Jesus was 100% man, 100% God. If you want to know if God ever had diarrhea, ask you yourself. :laugh:

You started your survey on whether a 54 year old man fucking a 9 year old girl is a pedophile?
Can't even answer a yes or no question. No wonder you got analised.
The priest asked you, do you want it? You didn't answer and he took that as a yes. Hahaha

Again cannot answer a simple qn:
At what age do you consider a marries isn't pedophilia?
 

JohnTan

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Can't even answer a yes or no question. No wonder you got analised.
The priest asked you, do you want it? You didn't answer and he took that as a yes. Hahaha

Want to anal me, but you ended up analing your own allah because you didn't know the meaning of 'John' !! :laugh::laugh:

Again cannot answer a simple qn:
At what age do you consider a marries isn't pedophilia?

Again you're deflecting. A 54 year old man fucking a 9 year old kid is pedophilia. You're in denial simply because the pedo is your arabic 'prophet'.
 

duluxe

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Natural death of the transmission of that story.
Any Muslim will disbelieve someone who doesn't solat, fast, or pay zakat.
Then the transmission of that story grinds to a halt.
if the transmission halted, you still need wayang authenticity? transmission could halt due to other reasons, how do modern scholars scientifically verified the transmitters had stop zakat?
 

Loofydralb

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if the transmission halted, you still need wayang authenticity? transmission could halt due to other reasons, how do modern scholars scientifically verified the transmitters had stop zakat?
Oh gosh. You must be an idiot for inability to digest what I just explained.
If a witness brought forth a story of the prophet, his character would also be in inspection. If he doesn't pray, fast or give zakat, lies etc. No one will believe him and his story will never reach those compiler or hadiths. Ditto for the next person and so on and so on...until it reaches compilers like Muslim etc.
 

duluxe

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Oh gosh. You must be an idiot for inability to digest what I just explained.
If a witness brought forth a story of the prophet, his character would also be in inspection. If he doesn't pray, fast or give zakat, lies etc. No one will believe him and his story will never reach those compiler or hadiths. Ditto for the next person and so on and so on...until it reaches compilers like Muslim etc.
how did 72 virgins reached compiled hadith?
 

Loofydralb

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how did 72 virgins reached compiled hadith?
Because it meets some of the criteria to be included into the compilers books. Which includes trustworthy persons who related it along.
Until you can prove the opposite is true then it will remain, as logically Allah will reward us for the patience on earth in extraordinary ways in paradise.
 

duluxe

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Oh gosh. You must be an idiot for inability to digest what I just explained.
If a witness brought forth a story of the prophet, his character would also be in inspection. If he doesn't pray, fast or give zakat, lies etc. No one will believe him and his story will never reach those compiler or hadiths. Ditto for the next person and so on and so on...until it reaches compilers like Muslim etc.

@syed putra is correct, hadiths are heardsays. Daily Prayer and fasting are very personally, not one would know if you doesn't pray. Zakat, the mosque would be able check by record and book keeping in modern days. You don't even have evidence, they kept and maintaince such records in ancient times. No one here would believe your stories, because they are spinned off your head.
 

duluxe

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Because it meets some of the criteria to be included into the compilers books. Which includes trustworthy persons who related it along.
Until you can prove the opposite is true then it will remain, as logically Allah will reward us for the patience on earth in extraordinary ways in paradise.

The more you spin off your head, the more holes surface.

Why would a true God promises virgins when there are many other good thing beyond human imagination he can promise. Obviously, that arabian moon god is false god. Men get virgins, what do pious women muslims get?

The continuity in transmission as "scientific" proof of authenticity is a big bullshit. Similar to how folktales are passed down from ancient times from generation to next generation.
 

Loofydralb

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@syed putra is correct, hadiths are heardsays. Daily Prayer and fasting are very personally, not one would know if you doesn't pray. Zakat, the mosque would be able check by record and book keeping in modern days. You don't even have evidence, they kept and maintaince such records in ancient times. No one here would believe your stories, because they are spinned off your head.
Whether you pray, fast or zakat, people can see. Small communities pray together. You don't give your zakat, the amil will look for you. People will know.

The more you spin off your head, the more holes surface.

Why would a true God promises virgins when there are many other good thing beyond human imagination he can promise. Obviously, that arabian moon god is false god. Men get virgins, what do pious women muslims get?

The continuity in transmission as "scientific" proof of authenticity is a big bullshit. Similar to how folktales are passed down from ancient times from generation to next generation.
Just because your culture don't have it doesn't mean other cultures can't have it.
Arab bedouins have long been reknown for reciting poems and story telling from dusk to dawn.
They memorize whole Qurans. They transfer hadiths word for word.
That is why it is found many times hadiths from different transmissions ending up in diverse geographical location are almost exactly alike.
Don't be jealous you christians don't have this.
 

duluxe

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Whether you pray, fast or zakat, people can see. Small communities pray together. You don't give your zakat, the amil will look for you. People will know.


Just because your culture don't have it doesn't mean other cultures can't have it.
Arab bedouins have long been reknown for reciting poems and story telling from dusk to dawn.
They memorize whole Qurans. They transfer hadiths word for word.
That is why it is found many times hadiths from different transmissions ending up in diverse geographical location are almost exactly alike.
Don't be jealous you christians don't have this.

Haha, all the hadiths that are able to attain compilation are authentic already, there is nothing scientific and doesn't need to spin in scholars to do the work.

Not just arabs, many races have similar traditions of passing down folk songs and short stories through reciting as not every one is literate.

Are you able to post a video to prove a hafiz reciting the koran from 1st page to last page? The video should be at least 3 hours assuming the book is 300 pages.
 

Loofydralb

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Haha, all the hadiths that are able to attain compilation are authentic already, there is nothing scientific and doesn't need to spin in scholars to do the work.

Not just arabs, many races have similar traditions of passing down folk songs and short stories through reciting as not every one is literate.

Are you able to post a video to prove a hafiz reciting the koran from 1st page to last page? The video should be at least 3 hours assuming the book is 300 pages.
No it doesn't.
Some after scrutiny can be found to contradict the Quran.
Some after investigations found somewhere along the line their story doesn't match the time and place they say they were.
Some were found elsewhere to be lying.
The chain of narrators just passed along the stories. They don't do the fact check.
Just go to Pergas, and ask for a Hafiz. Of course they probably would not entertain you by reciting the whole Quran. It would probably take a couple of days to finish. But you can pick any random page, fire off a verse and tell them to continue. But to do that you must be able to read the Quran in the first place.
 
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