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Donny: HDB Bee Hives Are Overpriced!

makapaaa

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<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR>March 15, 2009
YOUR LETTERS
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<!-- START OF : div id="storytext"--><!-- more than 4 paragraphs -->I am writing in response to the current pricing of newly launched Housing Board flats.
The HDB has always maintained its policy of pegging the prices of its new flats to the prevailing market prices, and then subsidising these flats so that they are slightly below the market rates.
However, with the prevailing financial crisis and the anticipation that prices in the property sector will fall further, the prices of recently launched build-to-order (BTO) flats by the HDB are still too high.
Although new flats are normally markedly cheaper than resale ones, now some resale flats cost about the same as new flats ('Punggol resale flats close the price gap', March6).
The implication is that new flats are overpriced and this reflects the HDB's near-sightedness in not considering the future slide in property prices.
Especially for BTO projects, which take three to four years to complete, the successful bidders are paying for the flats at the current inflated prices and not the expected deflated prices in three to four years' time.
It would be fairer if the flats were priced by taking into account the average pay increase/decrease for the last three years and projected increase/decrease for the next three years for the bottom 60per cent of Singaporean income earners, as well as the price trends in the private property sector.
We must not forget that the HDB serves mainly low- to middle-income Singaporeans, and should therefore keep pace with their spending power. Donny Teo

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U must be joking! Cannot afford then sleep in the void deck lah! *chey*
 

makapaaa

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<TABLE cellSpacing=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=heading>Latest comments</TD></TR><TR><TD id=messageDisplayRegion width="100%"><TABLE style="WIDTH: 100%" cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left><TABLE style="WIDTH: 100%" cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left><TABLE class=Post style="WIDTH: 100%" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left>CORRECTION :

HDB property are sold with too much restriction compared to the condo,and HDB flats are controlled prices. therefore they have NO basis to compare with a condo next door, because a private condo is fully tradeable in the market to foreigners and with all the wonderful facilities, maintenance, security, etc which HDB flats do not have
</TD></TR><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left>Posted by: bumibumi at Sun Mar 15 14:15:02 SGT 2009
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left><TABLE style="WIDTH: 100%" cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left><TABLE class=AlternatePost style="WIDTH: 100%" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left>never accept the argument that the same piece of HDB land next to a condo must command the same land price because there are totally different commodity (HDB use this to justify the so-called market-based ""subsidies"" for selling expensive new HDB flats).

HDB property are sold with too much restriction compared to the condo,and HDB flats are controlled prices. therefore they have basis to compare with a condo next door, because a private condo is fully tradeable in the market to foreigners and with all the wonderful facilities, maintenance, security, etc which HDB flats do not have

and HDB's car park + conservancy charges add up to quite the same as many condos' monthly management fees 1
</TD></TR><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left>Posted by: bumibumi at Sun Mar 15 14:14:07 SGT 2009
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left><TABLE style="WIDTH: 100%" cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left><TABLE class=Post style="WIDTH: 100%" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left>if the HDB flat are truly sold at subsidised prices, it will always be affordable


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Today, 09:49 AM

HDB prices (new and resale) surged primarily due to private property prices that have influenced resale HDB prices which in turn affect the pricing from HDB of new flats - which is a x% mark down from whatever resale price, that is all.

if it has truly been subsidised price, it will never hit more than half a million for a new HDB flat

even if you take construction cost to be S$300psf( quite geenerous liao), including land cost, how much should a HDB flat cost ? If private developer for condo can build at that cost and pay market price for the land and still turn in profit, what does it say of HDB pricing ?

mind you, HDB flats are built on recycled land which was acquired long ages ago at what cost ? those days a 5 room flat truly only cost S$25k, not even 250k!! and the same land under en-bloc are now selling at near to private condo price for new HDB flat

also, look at the compulsory insurance for the building structure you need to buy for the HDB flat - how much is the sum assured ? that tells you the replacement cost in the event of a write off for that flat.......insurance company will not allow HDB to make a profit out of it - that is why the sum assured is puny compared to your purchase price of the flat
</TD></TR><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left>Posted by: bumibumi at Sun Mar 15 14:08:17 SGT 2009
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left><TABLE style="WIDTH: 100%" cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left><TABLE class=AlternatePost style="WIDTH: 100%" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left>code22xx
Quote:
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=6 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=alt2 style="BORDER-RIGHT: 1px inset; BORDER-TOP: 1px inset; BORDER-LEFT: 1px inset; BORDER-BOTTOM: 1px inset">The REAL danger is that once HDB new flat prices drops, all resale flats will surely fall and all houseowners' will lose money </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
why is that a danger? are HDB flats built PRIMARILY for investment or PRIMARILY for people to stay? If it is the latter, why does it matter if they lose money... ON PAPER?
</TD></TR><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left>Posted by: lobo_respawned at Sun Mar 15 10:25:01 SGT 2009
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left><TABLE style="WIDTH: 100%" cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left><TABLE class=Post style="WIDTH: 100%" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left>HDB is in dilemma as the price of resale flats closes gap with new ones.
</TD></TR><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left>Posted by: gemini58 at Sun Mar 15 10:22:43 SGT 2009
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Tiu Kwang Yew

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think about it, if HDB beehive price is sold at a moral price, HDB will collapse and PAP baboons have to skip town.

Ah Teo should know that HDB is politically adjusted, everything is politicised in singapore---asset rich you cannot remember?

if ah teo wants to see a correct price, he must convince 66% to vote PAP out next GE.

again, if HDB price collapses, CPF money will be gone, there will be riots.
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR>March 15, 2009
YOUR LETTERS
</TR><!-- headline one : start --><TR>Link new HDB flat prices to pay too
</TR><!-- headline one : end --><!-- show image if available --></TBODY></TABLE>




<!-- START OF : div id="storytext"--><!-- more than 4 paragraphs -->I am writing in response to the current pricing of newly launched Housing Board flats.
The HDB has always maintained its policy of pegging the prices of its new flats to the prevailing market prices, and then subsidising these flats so that they are slightly below the market rates.
However, with the prevailing financial crisis and the anticipation that prices in the property sector will fall further, the prices of recently launched build-to-order (BTO) flats by the HDB are still too high.
Although new flats are normally markedly cheaper than resale ones, now some resale flats cost about the same as new flats ('Punggol resale flats close the price gap', March6).
The implication is that new flats are overpriced and this reflects the HDB's near-sightedness in not considering the future slide in property prices.
Especially for BTO projects, which take three to four years to complete, the successful bidders are paying for the flats at the current inflated prices and not the expected deflated prices in three to four years' time.
It would be fairer if the flats were priced by taking into account the average pay increase/decrease for the last three years and projected increase/decrease for the next three years for the bottom 60per cent of Singaporean income earners, as well as the price trends in the private property sector.
We must not forget that the HDB serves mainly low- to middle-income Singaporeans, and should therefore keep pace with their spending power. Donny Teo

Prof-MahBowTan.gif


U must be joking! Cannot afford then sleep in the void deck lah! *chey*
 
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