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Do you notice something missing fronm this Roy Ngerng episode?

Where is the support for Roy from the opposition? I have yet to see any WP speak out in support for Roy and criticize the gay Loong's lawsuit. They can surely give him moral support, or verbal support, if not actual financial support, bit choose not to. Are they saying that they disagree with Roy's comments on the CPF (other than the misappropriation part)? Where do they stand on this? I am quite surprised to see WP completely ignoring this whole lawsuit on their website and in Parliament. At the very least, they can table a question as to whether the Prime Minister is using taxpayer money or his own money to pursue this legal action. After, all that is govt business to find out how govt. money is spend. Lets look at the WP senior members:

1) Pritam SIngh - a Practicing lawyer.
2) Chen SHow Mao- a lawyer.
3) Sylvia Lim - a senior partner at a law firm and a law lecturer

So many lawyers and not one of them has volunteered to help Roy? Roy himself estimates that his legal bills will be $70K. But non of these WP lawyers plan to provide some pro bono work for him? Same goes for all the other oppo parties. Its a fact that Roy's blog resonates with many singaporeans. i would have thought that being allied with Roy would at least raise their profile in a positive way. It really makes me thing that the WP is just a fake oppo.

They are political party and not NGO. Even if they offer help I don't think it such good idea to do it openly. Politics don't really mix well with activism. Moreover now the court has taken over the case it not appropriate to comment as it subjudice.

In fact LTK already made indirect reference ' If you support a political party with the habit of fixing its opponents, you are breeding a political culture of fear.' Opponent can be anyone not just opposition politician in this Internet age.
 
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KAN NI NA BEI CHAO CHEE BYE, that why i say dun support WP, NO USE WAN la, WP HOR GOU KAN!


Where is the support for Roy from the opposition? I have yet to see any WP speak out in support for Roy and criticize the gay Loong's lawsuit. They can surely give him moral support, or verbal support, if not actual financial support, bit choose not to. Are they saying that they disagree with Roy's comments on the CPF (other than the misappropriation part)? Where do they stand on this? I am quite surprised to see WP completely ignoring this whole lawsuit on their website and in Parliament. At the very least, they can table a question as to whether the Prime Minister is using taxpayer money or his own money to pursue this legal action. After, all that is govt business to find out how govt. money is spend. Lets look at the WP senior members:

1) Pritam SIngh - a Practicing lawyer.
2) Chen SHow Mao- a lawyer.
3) Sylvia Lim - a senior partner at a law firm and a law lecturer

So many lawyers and not one of them has volunteered to help Roy? Roy himself estimates that his legal bills will be $70K. But non of these WP lawyers plan to provide some pro bono work for him? Same goes for all the other oppo parties. Its a fact that Roy's blog resonates with many singaporeans. i would have thought that being allied with Roy would at least raise their profile in a positive way. It really makes me thing that the WP is just a fake oppo.
 
Heard the name Chiam See Tong? He got

Goh Chok Tong - $10k
Karaoke Restaurant - $50k
Chee Soon Juan - $120k

Lawyers are the worst professional to be politicians, boh lumpar. They eat from the same restaurants, clubs and bowls, go to the same toilet to shits and pee too.

None of them are defamation suit expert, how come?
 
Where is the support for Roy from the opposition? I have yet to see any WP speak out in support for Roy and criticize the gay Loong's lawsuit. They can surely give him moral support, or verbal support, if not actual financial support, bit choose not to. Are they saying that they disagree with Roy's comments on the CPF (other than the misappropriation part)? Where do they stand on this? I am quite surprised to see WP completely ignoring this whole lawsuit on their website and in Parliament. At the very least, they can table a question as to whether the Prime Minister is using taxpayer money or his own money to pursue this legal action. After, all that is govt business to find out how govt. money is spend. Lets look at the WP senior members:

1) Pritam SIngh - a Practicing lawyer.
2) Chen SHow Mao- a lawyer.
3) Sylvia Lim - a senior partner at a law firm and a law lecturer

So many lawyers and not one of them has volunteered to help Roy? Roy himself estimates that his legal bills will be $70K. But non of these WP lawyers plan to provide some pro bono work for him? Same goes for all the other oppo parties. Its a fact that Roy's blog resonates with many singaporeans. i would have thought that being allied with Roy would at least raise their profile in a positive way. It really makes me thing that the WP is just a fake oppo.

That would be a really bad idea. I am glad the WP is smarter that that. I say this as a RN sympathizer .
 
Where is the support for Roy from the opposition? I have yet to see any WP speak out in support for Roy and criticize the gay Loong's lawsuit. They can surely give him moral support, or verbal support, if not actual financial support, bit choose not to. Are they saying that they disagree with Roy's comments on the CPF (other than the misappropriation part)? Where do they stand on this? I am quite surprised to see WP completely ignoring this whole lawsuit on their website and in Parliament. At the very least, they can table a question as to whether the Prime Minister is using taxpayer money or his own money to pursue this legal action. After, all that is govt business to find out how govt. money is spend. Lets look at the WP senior members:

1) Pritam SIngh - a Practicing lawyer.
2) Chen SHow Mao- a lawyer.
3) Sylvia Lim - a senior partner at a law firm and a law lecturer

So many lawyers and not one of them has volunteered to help Roy? Roy himself estimates that his legal bills will be $70K. But non of these WP lawyers plan to provide some pro bono work for him? Same goes for all the other oppo parties. Its a fact that Roy's blog resonates with many singaporeans. i would have thought that being allied with Roy would at least raise their profile in a positive way. It really makes me thing that the WP is just a fake oppo.

Good that you are realising this and coming to the inevitable conclusion. My post below in another thread which will help shed some light.



After a tiring 15 hour flight, I managed to crawl out of my hotel bed and jet lag, to attend the CPF protest. I wanted to get a sense of the political mood in the country. I was struck and very impressed by the incredible courage shown, particularly by this young man and this petite girl. However, I wondered why all these were necessary when Singapore already had an opposition presence in Parliament. Their one simple role, if they lack the drive, courage or intelligence to do anything else useful, is to be the voices of the people. After all, this was Sylvia Lim's pompous declaration to Lianhe Zaobao on 06 May 2012 when she was asked about the WP's silence on the budget when other parties had spoken up:

“But we are in Parliament, they are not. We will make use of the platform we have.”

At the height of the AIM saga last year, I posted the article below.

The article can well serve as a template to this current situation by replacing "AIM" with "CPF".

My old WP colleagues and my views about Low, having known Low Thia Khiang for more than 34 years ago when he first joined the WP in 1982, and having uncovered and discovered his role, purpose and agenda, remains unchanged.

It will take time but Singaporeans will continue to, albeit very slowly, discover and realise that Low Thia Khiang, beyond the theatre he puts up during electioneering and the cheap theatrics in Parliament, is not who they think he is and that the Workers Party, having been infiltrated by the likes of Low and at least three other operatives, is not the Workers Party of old or the opposition party Singaporeans think it is.

The more perceptive and knowledgeable posters like Golden Dragon, who had access to intelligence, will know this and will know what I mean. In the meanwhile, beyond some cheap theatre, please be prepared for more "under-performance" and silence from Low and his ilk. There is a reason to this silence. And it is not for any noble reasons or sorry excuses that has been ascribed to it by the WP, its fans or the usual WP crowd.

***

What will the Workers Party do on 14 January 2013?

Will the WP Parliamentarians be silent, reticent and fearful and not raise this AIM issue in Parliament? And will they continue to rely on their Vellama modus operandi, i.e. remain silent and let ordinary citizens, netizens and bloggers do the work, carry out the heavy lifting and take the risks on their behalf (even as these WP MPs enjoy the privileges, perks and benefits of being a $16,041/month MP)?

With all that have been published by bloggers and netizens, it is to be expected and simply a matter of time before the incorrigible Dauphin and his merry men latched on to something and revert back to what his father, he and his lackeys do best, i.e. threaten to sue or sue. Old habits die hard.

Parliamentary privilege is a legal immunity enjoyed by all MPs, including those from the Workers Party. The purpose of Parliamentary privilege is to allow MPs to speak freely during ordinary Parliamentary proceedings without any fear of legal action. Non-elected politicians, bloggers, netizens and the ordinary man in the street do not enjoy such a privilege. Notwithstanding this lack of privilege, these non-elected politicians, bloggers, netizens and the ordinary man in the street have spoken up on many and varied issues. To their credit, they have done a lot of work. They have carried out the heavy lifting. And they have courageously taken the risks in doing so.

The AIM issue directly affects the WP. The WP has a presence of 6 MPs and 2 NCMPS in Parliament. It is for the WP Parliamentarians to raise and pursue the AIM issue in Parliament.

Voters have also voiced their concern about the AIM issue. Voters have voted the WP into Parliament for a reason. To be their voices. It is the one of the primary duties and responsibilities of being an elected member of a First World Parliament to voice the concerns of your constituents and the electorate in Parliament.

In order to get to the bottom of this AIM issue once and for all, it is incumbent on the WP to raise and pursue this matter in Parliament when Parliament sits on 14 January 2013. If it does not but instead, expects non-elected politicians, bloggers, netizens and the ordinary man in the street to continue to raise and pursue the matter outside of Parliament, it will merely prove, once and yet again, all that have been said by skeptics and critics about the Workers Party and the pusillanimous leadership of the Workers Party.
 
No legitimate entity can support the boy because his actions are not legally defensible.

Emotionally defensible for sure .....but hes a hot potato whos gonna have to remain on the fringes for now.
 
Where is the support for Roy from the opposition? ....


Some moral support from the SDP at the HLP today :)

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No legitimate entity can support the boy because his actions are not legally defensible.

Emotionally defensible for sure .....but hes a hot potato whos gonna have to remain on the fringes for now.

Can his actions be legally defensible if CPF, Temasek Holdings and GIC open up their books?
Why are the current state of things accepted as the fact with no faults?
 
Sorry, I do not know why the picture above looks too big when posted in this forum. The original picture was actually smaller in size. :)
 
That would be a really bad idea. I am glad the WP is smarter that that. I say this as a RN sympathizer .

We have had many of these "lets-single-out-WP" exercises. Removing WP from the equation is the only way to return Singapore to a "one-party-takes-all" days. Being mindful of this and holding all parties accountable but with the same standards will do.
 
Good that you are realising this and coming to the inevitable conclusion. My post below in another thread which will help shed some light.



After a tiring 15 hour flight, I managed to crawl out of my hotel bed and jet lag, to attend the CPF protest. I wanted to get a sense of the political mood in the country. I was struck and very impressed by the incredible courage shown, particularly by this young man and this petite girl. However, I wondered why all these were necessary when Singapore already had an opposition presence in Parliament. Their one simple role, if they lack the drive, courage or intelligence to do anything else useful, is to be the voices of the people. After all, this was Sylvia Lim's pompous declaration to Lianhe Zaobao on 06 May 2012 when she was asked about the WP's silence on the budget when other parties had spoken up:

“But we are in Parliament, they are not. We will make use of the platform we have.”

At the height of the AIM saga last year, I posted the article below.

The article can well serve as a template to this current situation by replacing "AIM" with "CPF".

My old WP colleagues and my views about Low, having known Low Thia Khiang for more than 34 years ago when he first joined the WP in 1982, and having uncovered and discovered his role, purpose and agenda, remains unchanged.

It will take time but Singaporeans will continue to, albeit very slowly, discover and realise that Low Thia Khiang, beyond the theatre he puts up during electioneering and the cheap theatrics in Parliament, is not who they think he is and that the Workers Party, having been infiltrated by the likes of Low and at least three other operatives, is not the Workers Party of old or the opposition party Singaporeans think it is.

The more perceptive and knowledgeable posters like Golden Dragon, who had access to intelligence, will know this and will know what I mean. In the meanwhile, beyond some cheap theatre, please be prepared for more "under-performance" and silence from Low and his ilk. There is a reason to this silence. And it is not for any noble reasons or sorry excuses that has been ascribed to it by the WP, its fans or the usual WP crowd.

***

What will the Workers Party do on 14 January 2013?

Will the WP Parliamentarians be silent, reticent and fearful and not raise this AIM issue in Parliament? And will they continue to rely on their Vellama modus operandi, i.e. remain silent and let ordinary citizens, netizens and bloggers do the work, carry out the heavy lifting and take the risks on their behalf (even as these WP MPs enjoy the privileges, perks and benefits of being a $16,041/month MP)?

With all that have been published by bloggers and netizens, it is to be expected and simply a matter of time before the incorrigible Dauphin and his merry men latched on to something and revert back to what his father, he and his lackeys do best, i.e. threaten to sue or sue. Old habits die hard.

Parliamentary privilege is a legal immunity enjoyed by all MPs, including those from the Workers Party. The purpose of Parliamentary privilege is to allow MPs to speak freely during ordinary Parliamentary proceedings without any fear of legal action. Non-elected politicians, bloggers, netizens and the ordinary man in the street do not enjoy such a privilege. Notwithstanding this lack of privilege, these non-elected politicians, bloggers, netizens and the ordinary man in the street have spoken up on many and varied issues. To their credit, they have done a lot of work. They have carried out the heavy lifting. And they have courageously taken the risks in doing so.

The AIM issue directly affects the WP. The WP has a presence of 6 MPs and 2 NCMPS in Parliament. It is for the WP Parliamentarians to raise and pursue the AIM issue in Parliament.

Voters have also voiced their concern about the AIM issue. Voters have voted the WP into Parliament for a reason. To be their voices. It is the one of the primary duties and responsibilities of being an elected member of a First World Parliament to voice the concerns of your constituents and the electorate in Parliament.

In order to get to the bottom of this AIM issue once and for all, it is incumbent on the WP to raise and pursue this matter in Parliament when Parliament sits on 14 January 2013. If it does not but instead, expects non-elected politicians, bloggers, netizens and the ordinary man in the street to continue to raise and pursue the matter outside of Parliament, it will merely prove, once and yet again, all that have been said by skeptics and critics about the Workers Party and the pusillanimous leadership of the Workers Party.

RP was there. on stage some more. you guys all voted wrong. now will you up my points?
 
Today, Sinkiepoor has a First World Parliament, where PAP asked the Questions
and Workers Party provide the Answers, can do away with Speaker Corner.
 
As I have mentioned before in some other threads and long ago in other threads, opps only come out to talk dragon and winds during pre election, after that head retracted to tortoise shell. Also how can a coward be a good oppo leader. The only reason I can think of is oppo are only out to reap mp allowance. :confused:
Conclusion is that sinkapore is gone case.

Yes, seems that way.
 
Hey, buddy, it is a legal tussle and being a political party, WP is aware that nothing must be said or done to get implicated. JBJ was implicated in a certain legal suit and got sued as well. A commoner may pass comments but certainly not the WP or any of their elected MPs or those waiting to stand for GE2016. Get implicated, it is the end for them.

How can they get implicated when everything they say in PArliament is immune to prosecution. Is it too much to ask anyone from the WP to ask the PM to stop his bullshit legal action?
 
Why do you need WP to be a busybody?

WP can raise those issues independently in Parliament. Why must they sleep together with Roy? Sleeping together with Roy can't change anything.

If you want to change things, get into Parliament first. Not make yourself a bankrupt first. A moron like Roy can't change anything, and it's the hard truth.

Asking the PM in parliament to refrain from legal action against an individual is not sleeping with him.
 
They are political party and not NGO. Even if they offer help I don't think it such good idea to do it openly. Politics don't really mix well with activism. Moreover now the court has taken over the case it not appropriate to comment as it subjudice.

In fact LTK already made indirect reference ' If you support a political party with the habit of fixing its opponents, you are breeding a political culture of fear.' Opponent can be anyone not just opposition politician in this Internet age.

Politics is activism. All political parties started out that way. I hope you get an education on how democracy really works. Politics work all the time with activism. Many political parties all over the world whether in power or not, called for Nelson Mandela to be released during South AFrica's apartheid. So, I suggest u read up on that.
 
Good that you are realising this and coming to the inevitable conclusion. My post below in another thread which will help shed some light.



After a tiring 15 hour flight, I managed to crawl out of my hotel bed and jet lag, to attend the CPF protest. I wanted to get a sense of the political mood in the country. I was struck and very impressed by the incredible courage shown, particularly by this young man and this petite girl. However, I wondered why all these were necessary when Singapore already had an opposition presence in Parliament. Their one simple role, if they lack the drive, courage or intelligence to do anything else useful, is to be the voices of the people. After all, this was Sylvia Lim's pompous declaration to Lianhe Zaobao on 06 May 2012 when she was asked about the WP's silence on the budget when other parties had spoken up:

“But we are in Parliament, they are not. We will make use of the platform we have.”

At the height of the AIM saga last year, I posted the article below.

The article can well serve as a template to this current situation by replacing "AIM" with "CPF".

My old WP colleagues and my views about Low, having known Low Thia Khiang for more than 34 years ago when he first joined the WP in 1982, and having uncovered and discovered his role, purpose and agenda, remains unchanged.

It will take time but Singaporeans will continue to, albeit very slowly, discover and realise that Low Thia Khiang, beyond the theatre he puts up during electioneering and the cheap theatrics in Parliament, is not who they think he is and that the Workers Party, having been infiltrated by the likes of Low and at least three other operatives, is not the Workers Party of old or the opposition party Singaporeans think it is.

The more perceptive and knowledgeable posters like Golden Dragon, who had access to intelligence, will know this and will know what I mean. In the meanwhile, beyond some cheap theatre, please be prepared for more "under-performance" and silence from Low and his ilk. There is a reason to this silence. And it is not for any noble reasons or sorry excuses that has been ascribed to it by the WP, its fans or the usual WP crowd.

***

What will the Workers Party do on 14 January 2013?

Will the WP Parliamentarians be silent, reticent and fearful and not raise this AIM issue in Parliament? And will they continue to rely on their Vellama modus operandi, i.e. remain silent and let ordinary citizens, netizens and bloggers do the work, carry out the heavy lifting and take the risks on their behalf (even as these WP MPs enjoy the privileges, perks and benefits of being a $16,041/month MP)?

With all that have been published by bloggers and netizens, it is to be expected and simply a matter of time before the incorrigible Dauphin and his merry men latched on to something and revert back to what his father, he and his lackeys do best, i.e. threaten to sue or sue. Old habits die hard.

Parliamentary privilege is a legal immunity enjoyed by all MPs, including those from the Workers Party. The purpose of Parliamentary privilege is to allow MPs to speak freely during ordinary Parliamentary proceedings without any fear of legal action. Non-elected politicians, bloggers, netizens and the ordinary man in the street do not enjoy such a privilege. Notwithstanding this lack of privilege, these non-elected politicians, bloggers, netizens and the ordinary man in the street have spoken up on many and varied issues. To their credit, they have done a lot of work. They have carried out the heavy lifting. And they have courageously taken the risks in doing so.

The AIM issue directly affects the WP. The WP has a presence of 6 MPs and 2 NCMPS in Parliament. It is for the WP Parliamentarians to raise and pursue the AIM issue in Parliament.

Voters have also voiced their concern about the AIM issue. Voters have voted the WP into Parliament for a reason. To be their voices. It is the one of the primary duties and responsibilities of being an elected member of a First World Parliament to voice the concerns of your constituents and the electorate in Parliament.

In order to get to the bottom of this AIM issue once and for all, it is incumbent on the WP to raise and pursue this matter in Parliament when Parliament sits on 14 January 2013. If it does not but instead, expects non-elected politicians, bloggers, netizens and the ordinary man in the street to continue to raise and pursue the matter outside of Parliament, it will merely prove, once and yet again, all that have been said by skeptics and critics about the Workers Party and the pusillanimous leadership of the Workers Party.

Well, you have confirmed what I suspected in analysing the WP's performance in the last Parliamentary debates. This explains why the PAP is not afraid of the next elections dispite many setbacks so far. Why would they be afraid when all the WP does is vote with them? But this means that not only LTK is complicit, it means all the other WP MPs are too. Its a sad day for SIngapore.
 
Well, it doesn't matter if WP contributed to the CPF saga right now but it will definitely ride on the waves of such big issue. Just like what happens in GE2011, never mind if WP contributed to the robust debate of HDB but most importantly it has rode on the waves of HDB issues to win seats.

The important aim is for WP to win seats, riding on whatever waves or tsunami created by others. That may sound a bit opportunistic but that is alright with me. However, what is not alright with me is that WP people have been going around to sourly slime other people's good work, out of fear? Jealousy? Envy? I really don't know. Maybe they know that these people who have, rightly or wrongly, contributed to the rising public awareness of important issues, eventually will put up that INCONVENIENT CONTRAST to WP's relatively quietness to make it look pretty lame in parliament.

WP has declared it will walk its own path, so be it. But why would WP people want to cross other people's path by jabbing at others who are doing a great job for the overall opposition cause? That really puzzles me a lot.

Goh Meng Seng
 
Well, you have confirmed what I suspected in analysing the WP's performance in the last Parliamentary debates. This explains why the PAP is not afraid of the next elections dispite many setbacks so far. Why would they be afraid when all the WP does is vote with them? But this means that not only LTK is complicit, it means all the other WP MPs are too. Its a sad day for SIngapore.


Well if I am dumb enough to believe it then George Yeo was stabbed in the back by Maihum Lee Hsien Loong.
 
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