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DBS UOB OCBC dun alllow customer to cancel recurring bill payment

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Man in dispute with broadband provider
By Nat Rudarakanchana

HE HAD arranged for his Internet broadband bill to be automatically charged to his credit card every month.

The arrangement, known as the recurring bill payment programme, worked fine until he had a billing dispute with his broadband provider last month. Mr Lim Heng Seng, 31, who works in healthcare, then called his bank, DBS, and asked them to cancel the billing arrangement.

Imagine his surprise when he was told that he was not allowed to do so. Instead, it was the billing organisation - in this case, his broadband provider - that had the authority to stop the arrangement.

Said Mr Lim: "I was the one who authorised my broadband provider to charge my bill to my credit card. "But why is it that my bank does not allow me to cancel this arrangement?

"In principle, I should be empowered to cancel the standing instruction any time that I wish because it is my credit card." He added that the bank would not suffer any loss because he was the one who would be liable for the charges he incurred with his broadband provider.

When contacted, DBS said the agreement to set up and terminate a recurring bill payment is directly between the customer and the billing organisation.

DBS senior vice-president and head of cards and unsecured loans Ms Ooi Huey Tyng said: "DBS' role is that of a payment enabler, acting on a customer's instructions to make payments to the approved billing organisation."

When a customer provides a retailer with his credit card details so that his bill can be charged to it, the process does not involve the bank directly as the arrangement is between the customer and the retailer.

"Hence, the bank has no jurisdiction to commence or terminate any billing arrangement between a customer and a billing organisation," said Ms Ooi. Other banks like OCBC and UOB have the same policy. Ms Alice Goh, head of credit cards at OCBC Bank, said: "The bank merely acts as a third party to assist with the payment."

But DBS said that a customer can cancel his credit card in order to stop further payments. Mr Lim said he called his broadband provider for three days to try and resolve the billing dispute, but could not reach them.

In the end, Mr Lim accepted the solution of cancelling his credit card and applying for a new one. He said: "Yet even if this solves the problem, it doesn't solve it in the right way.

"I previously authorised a retailer to charge my credit card, but what if the relationship between myself and the company later changes? "I would be unable to cancel my billing arrangement without the retailer's agreement."

Mr Lim also said that a DBS staff offered a "solution" of lowering his credit limit, thus reducing the total amount he could be charged without his consent. But he declined to do so.

Giro

Said Mr Lim: "She might as well offer to give me total protection by cancelling all my cards." The same policy does not apply for Giro arrangements, in which a customer authorises his bank to deduct money from his designated bank account on a regular basis.

Customers of all three banks can contact them to cancel a Giro arrangement. So why is there a discrepancy?

This is because a regular credit bill payment is a direct commercial arrangement between the customer and the retailer, while a Giro arrangement involves three parties, including the bank.

Ms Ooi said: "The benefit of using Giro lies in the ability to terminate the arrangement through the bank.

"However, a recurring bill payment arrangement allows customers to enjoy a one-month grace period in repayment as well as the ability to accumulate loyalty points.

"For example, customers using POSB Everyday Card enjoy up to one per cent cash-back on recurring bill payments."

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This is because a regular credit bill payment is a direct commercial arrangement between the customer and the retailer, while a Giro arrangement involves three parties, including the bank.

But using GIRO cannot make earn reward incentives from credit cards :(
 
they are technically wrong as a owner of card you have right to cancel any payment directive not disputed amounts. I would have adviced the person to just cancel his card...then let me see how the payment goes thru.....
 
they are technically wrong as a owner of card you have right to cancel any payment directive not disputed amounts. I would have adviced the person to just cancel his card...then let me see how the payment goes thru.....
what if DBS say, while you have recurring payment, you are not allowed to cancel your card
 
as the bank says the billing arrangement is between you and merchant:-) In this case you card dealing is between you and bank so you have every right to cancel it...
 
Why don't Lim Heng Seng just call the broadband provider to cancel the billing arrangement?

Canceling the billing arrangement through the bank is actually quite sneaky :o
 
Very strange, I can just call the citibank to cancel such payment arrangement... Maybe it's different bank policy...
 
I have experience of this using my DEBIT CARD, as a result I am wary & careful using the card for on-line booking & payment.

One...paying for hotel bill, the hotel accidentally key in a wrong amount, I call the bank from KL immediately they can not cancel the transaction even though the amount is debited from the account. The merchant have to notify their merchant in KL who notify VISA who....by then it will be 4 weeks before you get your MONEY back...not credit.

Two...I made on-line purchase of air tickets & person I book for, suddenly came down with some illness and can not fly...called the bank again, they cann not stop or cancel the payment for they are just a collection agent for VISA..., I am requesting my bank to stop payment from my bank account...and they can not do so..wtf!

Why so we in SINgapore have to put up with all these, where we as consumers have absolutely no protection from the banks, in which we have place our trust in with our hard earned money???
 
I have experience of this using my DEBIT CARD, as a result I am wary & careful using the card for on-line booking & payment.

One...paying for hotel bill, the hotel accidentally key in a wrong amount, I call the bank from KL immediately they can not cancel the transaction even though the amount is debited from the account. The merchant have to notify their merchant in KL who notify VISA who....by then it will be 4 weeks before you get your MONEY back...not credit.

Two...I made on-line purchase of air tickets & person I book for, suddenly came down with some illness and can not fly...called the bank again, they cann not stop or cancel the payment for they are just a collection agent for VISA..., I am requesting my bank to stop payment from my bank account...and they can not do so..wtf!

Why so we in SINgapore have to put up with all these, where we as consumers have absolutely no protection from the banks, in which we have place our trust in with our hard earned money???

bec who control DBS UOB and OCBC?
try to be funny? see OCBC, land taken away at cheap valuation 30 years ago
 
If I cancel my credit card with the bank, will they still insist that the service provider to charge the billing to the account?
 
bec who control DBS UOB and OCBC?
try to be funny? see OCBC, land taken away at cheap valuation 30 years ago

It is not who control the banks... ABS ( Association Of Banks) , Monetary Authority of SINgapore (MAS) & CASE must look into this. We as a consumer no rights over our money once we deposit it to the bank. A genuine mistake, we can not stop the banks' from deducting our accounts not to pay the vendor?

Whatever had happened to the Law Relating to banking?

The consumer absolutely have no rights once we hand over our hard earn money to the bankers..

Frightening isn't!..might as well put our money in cookie jars...where except for carelessnes getting it stolen, we can still at our jurisdication, pay whom, we want to be paid...

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what if DBS say, while you have recurring payment, you are not allowed to cancel your card

Then you withdraw all money in your account so that there is no money from which they can deduct. The Bank will suddenly come to its senses that it has to intervene because it's no longer just a private arrangement exclusive of the bank.
 
He should just threaten to cut the card. The operator will probably go beyond her line of duty, in order not to lose this customer.
 
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