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中国或少买几架苏57"碰瓷"日韩F35 也可给歼20当陪练
俄罗斯虽然是一个工业国，但是长期以来，工业品水平不到，傻大黑粗是最大特征，某些牌子的剃须刀，开动起来满屋子说话都困难， 但是胜在结实耐用，30年50年都不不坏！
俄罗斯人在民用技术方面，包括重工业和轻工业都不算强，尤其轻工业，俄罗斯人自己吐槽满满：可以天天送人上太空，搞个热水壶都整不利索，要从中国进口。
俄罗斯人在军事工业投资巨大，也是重要的摇钱树
俄罗斯经济两大支柱就是军工和石油天然气，石油天然气前几年暴跌，俄罗斯立即砍军费，日子很难看，最近价格小涨，但是过去大手大脚大批购买飞机坦克大炮的日子一去不返了，于是就把目光盯上了军火！
最近俄罗斯国家技术集团高管Viktor Kladov表示，中国将在未来两年内决定是继续采购并在中国国内制造SU-35战斗机，还是购买第五代战斗机（Su-57E）。
中国歼16战斗机和歼10C战斗机即将停产，中国不再制造落后三代机
这个消息一经传出，立即引起了众多网民的关注，难道歼11B，歼16出现了重大技术难题，歼20产能有限难于解决？还是国产涡扇15发动机出现了难于克服的故障，需要继续引进俄罗斯发动机！
结合俄罗斯内外的各种信息来说，这也是苏霍伊设计局战斗机系列即将走上山穷水尽的一个重要信号，先说国内，俄罗斯军方对于苏57战斗机的态度就是：隐身技术太烂几乎不能要，为了维持给苏霍伊设计局点面子，在2025年前订购了12架。当然作为俄罗斯领导人普京，却不能不给苏霍伊设计局打气：
苏57战斗机频频出击，满世界推销
俄罗斯最新的第五代战斗机苏-57是世界上最好的军用飞机。这是今天最好的飞机，世界上最好的飞机，凭借苏-57所有的作战特性和武器装备，它是世界上最好的飞机。他还强调称：“没有其他飞机可以像我们的飞机一样飞行。”
普京是俄罗斯的当家人，必须在任何时候为国货展台，这个立场并没错！但是从苏35和苏57战斗机技术水平来说，两种战斗机前景不容乐观，苏35几乎是日落西山，虽然还有客户订单，埃及和阿尔及利亚，越南等国，但是苏57战斗机，几乎是死定了！
苏35还可以外卖几年，之后苏57必须顶上
由于苏27战斗机的成功使得苏霍伊设计局盲目乐观，他们认为苏57最少可以向外销售400架，其中就中国的需求最少100架，中国现有苏系列战斗机400多架，按照4比1的比例替换很合理，因为战斗力提升太多。
第一架苏57战斗机在2010年首飞，过后没多久，苏霍伊设计局就向中国派出了代表团，推销苏57，其中也向中国透露了不少苏57飞机设计的构思和使用特点，这一点，也被某技术专家在杂志上复述了一遍，引起了舆论的高度关注。
由于中国隐身战斗机在2011年1月11日首飞，此时中国空军只有能力和意愿负责一种重型隐身战斗机，尤其是国货，更加要加重点关注，最终苏57到中国推销多次，中国空军都没有给太多的回应：因为都在集中精力攻克歼20！
虽然装备了落后发动机，但是歼20性能却让中国空军爱不释手
随着歼20战斗机在2011架之后进行了重大的改进，修正了许多设计上的问题，使得隐身性能和飞行性能得到了巨大的提高，中国空军对俄罗斯苏57态度越发冷淡，到了2014年，俄罗斯传出消息，苏57总师被解职，原因就是俄科研单位承认飞机不隐身，和美国F22，F35有台阶性差异，也在同一时期，歼20战斗机在试验场证明了自己的强大隐身能力，实际上从这一刻起，歼20起来了，苏57死定了！
之后苏57态势一路走低，最终俄罗斯人放出了许多大招准备招揽客户，甚至让电视台设计局，工厂，绝密的火控实验室，隐身实验室，还放出多架苏57战斗机做空中表演，让记者疯狂拍摄！
苏霍伊设计局快要黄了
实际上对于战斗机这种产品来说，飞机性能的缺陷，并不能由高能的摄影师来弥补，这是基本的物理规律决定的，之后俄罗斯苏霍伊设计局向全世界展开推销攻势，越南，马来西亚，甚至巴基斯坦都有意向推销，最终徒劳无功！
中国真的不可能购买苏57吗？不见得，买几架出去碰瓷一下周边的F35还是可以的，也可以当歼20战斗机的空战陪练，价值虽然不高，但是也可以见识一下，俄罗斯在苏27和苏57之间的技术增量，提升一下眼界，也没问题！（作者署名：大水）
http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1144092.shtml
China to be offered Russia's 'best warplane' Su-57
By Liu Xuanzun Source:Global Times Published: 2019/3/31 16:30:42
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Su-57 fighter jet is worth studying, say military experts
Two Sukhoi Su-57 advanced jet fighters fly in formation during MAKS-2017 airshow near Moscow, Russia on July 23, 2017. Photo: IC
Russia is reportedly eyeing exporting Su-57, its most advanced fighter jet, to China, an offer Chinese experts described as an indication of the close strategic relations between the two countries.
While Chinese analysts are becoming convinced of the Su-57's combat capabilities, some are skeptical whether the Russian warplane can integrate into the Chinese system since China has developed its own advanced J-20 fighter jet.
The Su-57E, an export version of the Su-57, is expected to receive export approval from Russian President Vladimir Putin in a few weeks, said Viktor Kladov, director of international cooperation and regional policy at Russia's Rostec defense industrial holding company, at a media briefing at the Langkawi International Maritime and Aerospace Exhibition in Malaysia, Jane's Defense Weekly reported Thursday.
Kladov named China as a potential customer. "China has recently taken delivery of 24 Su-35 aircraft, and in the next two years [China] will make a decision to either procure additional Su-35s, build the Su-35 in China, or buy a fifth-generation fighter aircraft, which could be another opportunity for the Su-57E," he said.
Xu Guangyu, a senior consultant at the China Arms Control and Disarmament Association, told the Global Times on Sunday that it is possible that China could make the purchase, because China needs to study from other countries' strengths whenever possible.
Kladov's remarks are also an indication of cooperation in high-end military technology under the framework of the two countries' strategic cooperation, Xu said.
Described by Putin as "the world's best military plane" on March 19, the Su-57 is a fifth-generation multirole fighter jet capable of both aerial combat and hitting ground and naval targets, Russia's TASS news agency reported.
Wang Yongqing, chief designer of the Shenyang Aircraft Design Institute under the state-owned Aviation Industry Corporation of China, wrote in the February 2019 issue of Aerospace Knowledge magazine that the Su-57 is designed to have strong supersonic cruise capability and super-maneuverability, and intentionally reduces stealth, a capability said to be crucial to a fifth-generation fighter, to a secondary priority.
While US warplanes stress stealth and beyond visual range attacks, the Su-57 can evade incoming long-range missiles through its super-maneuverability and engage enemies at close range, a situation where stealth is not so important as super-maneuverability, Wang said.
However, Aerospace Knowledge's chief editor Wang Ya'nan said although he is convinced of the Su-57's capabilities, he is less keen to see China buy it because China has already developed its own fifth-generation fighter jet, the J-20.
China is perfecting its own fifth-generation technology as the J-20 is on the way to being mass produced, Wang told the Global Times on Sunday.
During this period, integrating another fighter jet into the fleet could bring challenges to the integration of the Chinese military's weapons and equipment systems and disrupt development and training plans, Wang Ya'nan said.
He noted that a technical study is possible, using the Su-57 in the Chinese military is unlikely.
India could also be interested in buying the Su-57, Kladov said.
Unlike China, India does not have a fifth-generation fighter and will not be able to develop one anytime soon, so the Su-57 is an attractive warplane to India, Wang Ya'nan said.
The Su-57 could also become a strong market competitor to the Chinese FC-31 stealth fighter jet, Weihutang, a column affiliated with China Central Television (CCTV), reported on Friday, noting that the FC-31 and the US' F-35 are the only two current fifth-generation fighter jets available on the international market.
Newspaper headline: China to be offered Russia’s ‘best warplane’
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China mulls to buy Russia's Su-57 stealth fighter jet
Described by Russian President Vladimir Putin as "the world's best military plane", the Su-57 is a fifth-generation multi-role fighter jet capable of both aerial combat and hitting ground and naval targets.
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Chinese defence analyst Wang Ya'nan, the chief editor of Aerospace Knowledge, said the Russia's offer to sell SU-57 is more attractive to India as China has its stealth fighter. (Representative image)
BEIJING: China is weighing options to buy Russia's new Sukhoi Su-57 stealth fighter jet as Moscow has identified China and India as potential customers to acquire its advanced warplane.
Described by Russian President Vladimir Putin as "the world's best military plane", the Su-57 is a fifth-generation multi-role fighter jet capable of both aerial combat and hitting ground and naval targets.
Viktor Kladov, director of international cooperation and regional policy at Russia's Rostec defence industrial holding company at a briefing at the Langkawi International Maritime and Aerospace Exhibition in Malaysia identified India and China as potential buyers, state-run Global Times reported on Monday.
The Chinese air force, which currently has a range of home grown new aircraft including the stealth fighter J-20, besides Russia's Su 35s, is keeping a close eye on India's acquisition of France's Rafale plane adding a new strategic dimension to its air assets.
While China has been developing its own new generation military aircraft, it is still heavily reliant on Russian engines for the planes as it is yet to produce a reliant engine of its own. Both China and Pakistan rely on Russian engines for their jointly produced JF-17 Thunder.
Chinese defence analyst Wang Ya'nan, the chief editor of Aerospace Knowledge, said the Russia's offer to sell SU-57 is more attractive to India as China has its stealth fighter.
Unlike China, India does not have a fifth-generation fighter, so the Su-57 is an attractive warplane to India, he told Global Times.
Wang said although he is convinced of the Su-57's capabilities, he is less keen to see China buy it because China has already developed its own fifth-generation fighter jet J-20.
Kladov said Su-57E, an export version of the Su-57, is expected to receive export approval from Putin in a few weeks.
Naming China as a potential customer, he said, "China has recently taken delivery of 24 Su-35 aircraft, and in the next two years will make a decision to either procure additional Su-35s, build the Su-35 in China, or buy a fifth-generation fighter aircraft, which could be another opportunity for the Su-57E."
Xu Guangyu, a senior consultant at the China Arms Control and Disarmament Association, told the Global Times that it is possible that China could make the purchase, because China needs to study from other countries' strengths whenever possible.
"Kladov's remarks are also an indication of cooperation in high-end military technology under the framework of the two countries' strategic cooperation," Xu said.
Wang Yongqing, chief designer of the Shenyang Aircraft Design Institute under the state-owned Aviation Industry Corporation of China, wrote in the February 2019 issue of Aerospace Knowledge magazine that the Su-57 is designed to have strong supersonic cruise capability and super-manoeuvrability, and intentionally reduces stealth, a capability said to be crucial to a fifth-generation fighter, to a secondary priority.
While US warplanes stress stealth and beyond visual range attacks, the Su-57 can evade incoming long-range missiles through its super-manoeuvrability and engage enemies at close range, a situation where stealth is not so important as super-manoeuvrability, Wang said.
However, Chinese defence analyst Wang said China is perfecting its own fifth-generation technology as the J-20 is on the way to being mass produced. During this period, integrating another fighter jet into the fleet could bring challenges to the integration of the Chinese military's weapons and equipment systems and disrupt development and training plans, he said.
He noted that a technical study is possible, using the Su-57 in the Chinese military is unlikely.
The Su-57 could also become a strong market competitor to the Chinese FC-31 stealth fighter jet, Weihutang, a column affiliated with China Central Television (CCTV), reported on Friday, noting that the FC-31 and the US' F-35 are the only two current fifth-generation fighter jets available on the international market.
中国或少买几架苏57"碰瓷"日韩F35 也可给歼20当陪练
俄罗斯虽然是一个工业国，但是长期以来，工业品水平不到，傻大黑粗是最大特征，某些牌子的剃须刀，开动起来满屋子说话都困难， 但是胜在结实耐用，30年50年都不不坏！
俄罗斯人在民用技术方面，包括重工业和轻工业都不算强，尤其轻工业，俄罗斯人自己吐槽满满：可以天天送人上太空，搞个热水壶都整不利索，要从中国进口。
俄罗斯人在军事工业投资巨大，也是重要的摇钱树
俄罗斯经济两大支柱就是军工和石油天然气，石油天然气前几年暴跌，俄罗斯立即砍军费，日子很难看，最近价格小涨，但是过去大手大脚大批购买飞机坦克大炮的日子一去不返了，于是就把目光盯上了军火！
最近俄罗斯国家技术集团高管Viktor Kladov表示，中国将在未来两年内决定是继续采购并在中国国内制造SU-35战斗机，还是购买第五代战斗机（Su-57E）。
中国歼16战斗机和歼10C战斗机即将停产，中国不再制造落后三代机
这个消息一经传出，立即引起了众多网民的关注，难道歼11B，歼16出现了重大技术难题，歼20产能有限难于解决？还是国产涡扇15发动机出现了难于克服的故障，需要继续引进俄罗斯发动机！
结合俄罗斯内外的各种信息来说，这也是苏霍伊设计局战斗机系列即将走上山穷水尽的一个重要信号，先说国内，俄罗斯军方对于苏57战斗机的态度就是：隐身技术太烂几乎不能要，为了维持给苏霍伊设计局点面子，在2025年前订购了12架。当然作为俄罗斯领导人普京，却不能不给苏霍伊设计局打气：
苏57战斗机频频出击，满世界推销
俄罗斯最新的第五代战斗机苏-57是世界上最好的军用飞机。这是今天最好的飞机，世界上最好的飞机，凭借苏-57所有的作战特性和武器装备，它是世界上最好的飞机。他还强调称：“没有其他飞机可以像我们的飞机一样飞行。”
普京是俄罗斯的当家人，必须在任何时候为国货展台，这个立场并没错！但是从苏35和苏57战斗机技术水平来说，两种战斗机前景不容乐观，苏35几乎是日落西山，虽然还有客户订单，埃及和阿尔及利亚，越南等国，但是苏57战斗机，几乎是死定了！
苏35还可以外卖几年，之后苏57必须顶上
由于苏27战斗机的成功使得苏霍伊设计局盲目乐观，他们认为苏57最少可以向外销售400架，其中就中国的需求最少100架，中国现有苏系列战斗机400多架，按照4比1的比例替换很合理，因为战斗力提升太多。
第一架苏57战斗机在2010年首飞，过后没多久，苏霍伊设计局就向中国派出了代表团，推销苏57，其中也向中国透露了不少苏57飞机设计的构思和使用特点，这一点，也被某技术专家在杂志上复述了一遍，引起了舆论的高度关注。
由于中国隐身战斗机在2011年1月11日首飞，此时中国空军只有能力和意愿负责一种重型隐身战斗机，尤其是国货，更加要加重点关注，最终苏57到中国推销多次，中国空军都没有给太多的回应：因为都在集中精力攻克歼20！
虽然装备了落后发动机，但是歼20性能却让中国空军爱不释手
随着歼20战斗机在2011架之后进行了重大的改进，修正了许多设计上的问题，使得隐身性能和飞行性能得到了巨大的提高，中国空军对俄罗斯苏57态度越发冷淡，到了2014年，俄罗斯传出消息，苏57总师被解职，原因就是俄科研单位承认飞机不隐身，和美国F22，F35有台阶性差异，也在同一时期，歼20战斗机在试验场证明了自己的强大隐身能力，实际上从这一刻起，歼20起来了，苏57死定了！
之后苏57态势一路走低，最终俄罗斯人放出了许多大招准备招揽客户，甚至让电视台设计局，工厂，绝密的火控实验室，隐身实验室，还放出多架苏57战斗机做空中表演，让记者疯狂拍摄！
苏霍伊设计局快要黄了
实际上对于战斗机这种产品来说，飞机性能的缺陷，并不能由高能的摄影师来弥补，这是基本的物理规律决定的，之后俄罗斯苏霍伊设计局向全世界展开推销攻势，越南，马来西亚，甚至巴基斯坦都有意向推销，最终徒劳无功！
中国真的不可能购买苏57吗？不见得，买几架出去碰瓷一下周边的F35还是可以的，也可以当歼20战斗机的空战陪练，价值虽然不高，但是也可以见识一下，俄罗斯在苏27和苏57之间的技术增量，提升一下眼界，也没问题！（作者署名：大水）
http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1144092.shtml
China to be offered Russia's 'best warplane' Su-57
By Liu Xuanzun Source:Global Times Published: 2019/3/31 16:30:42
16
Su-57 fighter jet is worth studying, say military experts
Two Sukhoi Su-57 advanced jet fighters fly in formation during MAKS-2017 airshow near Moscow, Russia on July 23, 2017. Photo: IC
Russia is reportedly eyeing exporting Su-57, its most advanced fighter jet, to China, an offer Chinese experts described as an indication of the close strategic relations between the two countries.
While Chinese analysts are becoming convinced of the Su-57's combat capabilities, some are skeptical whether the Russian warplane can integrate into the Chinese system since China has developed its own advanced J-20 fighter jet.
The Su-57E, an export version of the Su-57, is expected to receive export approval from Russian President Vladimir Putin in a few weeks, said Viktor Kladov, director of international cooperation and regional policy at Russia's Rostec defense industrial holding company, at a media briefing at the Langkawi International Maritime and Aerospace Exhibition in Malaysia, Jane's Defense Weekly reported Thursday.
Kladov named China as a potential customer. "China has recently taken delivery of 24 Su-35 aircraft, and in the next two years [China] will make a decision to either procure additional Su-35s, build the Su-35 in China, or buy a fifth-generation fighter aircraft, which could be another opportunity for the Su-57E," he said.
Xu Guangyu, a senior consultant at the China Arms Control and Disarmament Association, told the Global Times on Sunday that it is possible that China could make the purchase, because China needs to study from other countries' strengths whenever possible.
Kladov's remarks are also an indication of cooperation in high-end military technology under the framework of the two countries' strategic cooperation, Xu said.
Described by Putin as "the world's best military plane" on March 19, the Su-57 is a fifth-generation multirole fighter jet capable of both aerial combat and hitting ground and naval targets, Russia's TASS news agency reported.
Wang Yongqing, chief designer of the Shenyang Aircraft Design Institute under the state-owned Aviation Industry Corporation of China, wrote in the February 2019 issue of Aerospace Knowledge magazine that the Su-57 is designed to have strong supersonic cruise capability and super-maneuverability, and intentionally reduces stealth, a capability said to be crucial to a fifth-generation fighter, to a secondary priority.
While US warplanes stress stealth and beyond visual range attacks, the Su-57 can evade incoming long-range missiles through its super-maneuverability and engage enemies at close range, a situation where stealth is not so important as super-maneuverability, Wang said.
However, Aerospace Knowledge's chief editor Wang Ya'nan said although he is convinced of the Su-57's capabilities, he is less keen to see China buy it because China has already developed its own fifth-generation fighter jet, the J-20.
China is perfecting its own fifth-generation technology as the J-20 is on the way to being mass produced, Wang told the Global Times on Sunday.
During this period, integrating another fighter jet into the fleet could bring challenges to the integration of the Chinese military's weapons and equipment systems and disrupt development and training plans, Wang Ya'nan said.
He noted that a technical study is possible, using the Su-57 in the Chinese military is unlikely.
India could also be interested in buying the Su-57, Kladov said.
Unlike China, India does not have a fifth-generation fighter and will not be able to develop one anytime soon, so the Su-57 is an attractive warplane to India, Wang Ya'nan said.
The Su-57 could also become a strong market competitor to the Chinese FC-31 stealth fighter jet, Weihutang, a column affiliated with China Central Television (CCTV), reported on Friday, noting that the FC-31 and the US' F-35 are the only two current fifth-generation fighter jets available on the international market.
Newspaper headline: China to be offered Russia’s ‘best warplane’
https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...-stealth-fighter-jet/articleshow/68666095.cms
China mulls to buy Russia's Su-57 stealth fighter jet
Described by Russian President Vladimir Putin as "the world's best military plane", the Su-57 is a fifth-generation multi-role fighter jet capable of both aerial combat and hitting ground and naval targets.
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BEIJING: China is weighing options to buy Russia's new Sukhoi Su-57 stealth fighter jet as Moscow has identified China and India as potential customers to acquire its advanced warplane.
Described by Russian President Vladimir Putin as "the world's best military plane", the Su-57 is a fifth-generation multi-role fighter jet capable of both aerial combat and hitting ground and naval targets.
Viktor Kladov, director of international cooperation and regional policy at Russia's Rostec defence industrial holding company at a briefing at the Langkawi International Maritime and Aerospace Exhibition in Malaysia identified India and China as potential buyers, state-run Global Times reported on Monday.
The Chinese air force, which currently has a range of home grown new aircraft including the stealth fighter J-20, besides Russia's Su 35s, is keeping a close eye on India's acquisition of France's Rafale plane adding a new strategic dimension to its air assets.
While China has been developing its own new generation military aircraft, it is still heavily reliant on Russian engines for the planes as it is yet to produce a reliant engine of its own. Both China and Pakistan rely on Russian engines for their jointly produced JF-17 Thunder.
Chinese defence analyst Wang Ya'nan, the chief editor of Aerospace Knowledge, said the Russia's offer to sell SU-57 is more attractive to India as China has its stealth fighter.
Unlike China, India does not have a fifth-generation fighter, so the Su-57 is an attractive warplane to India, he told Global Times.
Wang said although he is convinced of the Su-57's capabilities, he is less keen to see China buy it because China has already developed its own fifth-generation fighter jet J-20.
Kladov said Su-57E, an export version of the Su-57, is expected to receive export approval from Putin in a few weeks.
Naming China as a potential customer, he said, "China has recently taken delivery of 24 Su-35 aircraft, and in the next two years will make a decision to either procure additional Su-35s, build the Su-35 in China, or buy a fifth-generation fighter aircraft, which could be another opportunity for the Su-57E."
Xu Guangyu, a senior consultant at the China Arms Control and Disarmament Association, told the Global Times that it is possible that China could make the purchase, because China needs to study from other countries' strengths whenever possible.
"Kladov's remarks are also an indication of cooperation in high-end military technology under the framework of the two countries' strategic cooperation," Xu said.
Wang Yongqing, chief designer of the Shenyang Aircraft Design Institute under the state-owned Aviation Industry Corporation of China, wrote in the February 2019 issue of Aerospace Knowledge magazine that the Su-57 is designed to have strong supersonic cruise capability and super-manoeuvrability, and intentionally reduces stealth, a capability said to be crucial to a fifth-generation fighter, to a secondary priority.
While US warplanes stress stealth and beyond visual range attacks, the Su-57 can evade incoming long-range missiles through its super-manoeuvrability and engage enemies at close range, a situation where stealth is not so important as super-manoeuvrability, Wang said.
However, Chinese defence analyst Wang said China is perfecting its own fifth-generation technology as the J-20 is on the way to being mass produced. During this period, integrating another fighter jet into the fleet could bring challenges to the integration of the Chinese military's weapons and equipment systems and disrupt development and training plans, he said.
He noted that a technical study is possible, using the Su-57 in the Chinese military is unlikely.
The Su-57 could also become a strong market competitor to the Chinese FC-31 stealth fighter jet, Weihutang, a column affiliated with China Central Television (CCTV), reported on Friday, noting that the FC-31 and the US' F-35 are the only two current fifth-generation fighter jets available on the international market.
