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Chinese movie makers pay $$$ Japanese stuidents to play Japs Army to be killed in their films

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Come come come and play villain Japs in my movie to be killed! We pay you RMB$5000! Our movies needs Bakayaro Japs army actors. Japanese student told reported his experience in earning money with taking part in movie acting.

Chinese TV & Movie audience love to watch fighting and killing Japs.


http://mil.news.sina.com.cn/china/2018-04-25/doc-ifzqvvsa9449264.shtml

日本演员谈抗日神剧内幕:剧组竟称给你5千块来玩啊
日本演员谈抗日神剧内幕:剧组竟称给你5千块来玩啊

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  美浓轮泰史在《香港大营救》中扮演日本军官。

  [环球时报记者 邢晓婧]还记得“裤裆藏雷”“子弹拐弯”“石头砸飞机”这些雷人桥段吗?近来,一本名为《中国抗日神剧读本:出乎意料的反日·爱国喜剧》的书“走红”日本。该书汇总《抗日奇侠》《孤岛飞鹰》《觉醒者》等21部中国“神剧”,合计678集、30180分钟,附带剧集简介、人物关系图,以及对某些拍摄画面的吐槽。谈及这些,曾30多次在中国影视剧中扮演日本军人的日本演员美浓轮泰史十分感慨,“有些错误很基本,他们需要的就是一副日本人面孔”。

  在接受《环球时报》记者采访时,美浓轮泰史刚刚拒绝了一部“抗日神剧”的邀请。他表示,中国也有很多优秀的抗日题材作品,自己在《南京!南京!》《金陵十三钗》与中国顶尖导演合作时,获益匪浅。

  从小迷成龙,到香港再北上

  接受《环球时报》记者采访当天,日本演员美浓轮泰史本来可以出现在宁波某片场,第37次出演日本军人,这一次他拒绝了。剧组给他打电话的时候说,“给你5000块钱,来玩儿啊。”这让他感到不受尊重,“我是演员,让他们找别人去玩儿吧”。

  美浓轮泰史从小着迷成龙,立志“长大去香港”。高中毕业后进入日本动作俱乐部学习武打,靠着打零工攒下些钱2006年前往香港。初来乍到的美浓轮当时既没人脉,语言又不过关,只能在武行当替身、搬道具。后来听说“香港没机会了,应该去内地”,便动了心。

  2009年美浓轮泰史北上,他的机会确实多了不少,却也和各种各样的抗日剧结下不解之缘。在《战火中青春2》《先锋1931》《光荣大地》《那年来了鬼子兵》等30余部影视作品中,美浓轮泰史无一例外地饰演日本军人。

  台词随便说,“我还不如回家”

  扮演“鬼子”没有想象中那么简单。不是面露凶相、挥舞刺刀、喊“八嘎丫路”就行,大到当时背景下的历史知识,小到日军的服饰、姿势以及说话方式,都要深入研究。作者岩田宇伯在《中国抗日神剧读本》一书中吐槽:有的“日本人”把衣襟压反,愣把和服穿成“寿衣”;有的日本军官竟然梳着明治维新以前的发髻;时代设置明明是1937年,“红外线激光检查入侵者”“蓝光认证活体”等高科技轮番上阵……在《孤岛飞鹰》里,演员戴着奇怪的面具,机密文件里的日语写得乱七八糟,在组织成员名单里,AV女优、日本前首相的名字赫然在列。美浓轮泰史的手机里也存了几张“机密文件”,他向《环球时报》记者展示,“这些根本不是句子,连不成文,道具组是用百度翻译的”。

  “有些错误很低级,”美浓轮泰史告诉《环球时报》记者,“比如中国抗战剧中经常出现日本女性军官的形象,实际上那个时候日本根本没有女性军官,除了个别女间谍”。再比如,要拍摄空手道的镜头,剧组却准备了跆拳道服,最后他不得不自掏腰包买戏服。

  如果说技术上的差错还能理解,工作态度不端是美浓轮怎么也忍不了的。有一次,导演要求美浓轮“动作表情要坏”,台词“随便说”,“反正还要后期配音,喊一二三四也没关系”。这让美浓轮很生气,“我是来演戏的,你让我说数字,我还不如回家呢”。“神剧”工作人员普遍不喜欢和日本演员沟通,哪怕美浓轮指出错误也得不到修正,“他们需要的就是一副日本人面孔”。

  “中国也有很多抗日优秀作品”

  同样是扮演日本士兵,美浓轮泰史也曾在《南京!南京!》《金陵十三钗》《厨子戏子痞子》等经典影视作品中亮过相。谈起和中国顶尖导演的合作经历,美浓轮坦言“获益匪浅”。在《厨子戏子痞子》里,美浓轮扮演的日本军官五十岚闯进日本料理店,对着水缸说一句“这是河豚啊”。实际上河豚是后期补上去的,拍的时候只有一个空水缸。美浓轮先按照自己的方式演了一遍,导演管虎对他说,“你的眼珠为什么没动?你得想象现在这里有河豚在游来游去。”这个细节让美浓轮很受触动。

  《南京!南京!》和《金陵十三钗》剧组还设有军事指导者,辅导日本演员最大程度再现日本士兵。美浓轮告诉《环球时报》记者,其实中国有很多抗日题材的优秀作品,之所以出现“抗日神剧”主要是主创人员态度问题,事实证明这些人确实也没能成为行业佼佼者。

  知名作家陆天明接受《环球时报》记者采访时称,抗日神剧荒唐到极点的剧情永远不可能提高中国电视剧的水平。可是现在仍然有很多人靠拍“抗日神剧”挣钱,反正大方向是“抗日”,政治上不出问题。他们没有想过,这样的“文化创作”一定是没有希望的。文化创作可以有娱乐性,但不能娱乐化,编剧、作家、导演只有忠于史实,才能走上正道,避免拍出“神剧”闹剧。

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Japanese actors talk about the inside story of the anti-Japanese drama: The crew claimed to give you 5,000 to play.
Japanese actors talk about the inside story of the anti-Japanese drama: The crew claimed to give you 5,000 to play.
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Mino Intan Taishi played a Japanese officer in "Hong Kong Big Sale."

[Global Times reporter Xing Xiaokai] Do you remember these “Crossings in the Pants,” “Bullets, Turns,” and “Stones, Planes, and Aircrafts?” Recently, a book titled "Chinese Anti-Japanese Stories Reader: Unexpected Anti-Japanese Patriotic Comedy" has become popular in Japan. The book summarizes 21 Chinese “Soul Operas” such as “Anti-Japanese Fantasy”, “Island Flying Eagle” and “The Awakening”, totaling 678 episodes and 30,180 minutes, with episode briefings, character diagrams, and tweets to certain shooting screens. . Talking about these, Japanese actress Miyamoto Tan Shih, who has played more than 30 Japanese soldiers in Chinese film and TV dramas, was very impressed. “Some errors are basic, they need a Japanese face.”

In an interview with a Global Times reporter, Mio Wheels' Thai history has just rejected an invitation to "Anti-Japanese Opera". He said that China also has a lot of excellent anti-Japanese themes and he himself is in Nanjing! Nanjing! When "Jinling 13" and China's top directors cooperated, they benefited a lot.

From Jackie Chan to Hong Kong and then North

On the same day as an interview with a Global Times reporter, Japanese actor Mio Wheels' Thai history could have appeared on a shooting ground in Ningbo. The 37th time he appeared in a Japanese soldier, this time he refused. When the crew called him, he said, “Give you 5000 yuan to play.” This made him feel unrespectable. “I'm an actor and let them find someone to play with.”

Minomoto's Taishi has been fascinated by Jackie Chan and determined to “grow up to Hong Kong”. After graduating from high school, he entered the Japan Action Club to learn martial arts and made some money by playing odd jobs. He went to Hong Kong in 2006. The Mino’s turn that came first arrived at the time and there was no pulse at the time, and the language was not too close. It was only possible to substitute and move props in the military. Later I heard that "Hong Kong has no chance and we should go to the Mainland," and we moved.

In 2009, the history of Mino's round of Thai history went north. His chances were indeed a lot more, but he also had a close relationship with various anti-Japanese operas. In more than 30 film and television works such as "The Youth in the War", "Pioneer 1931", "Glorious Earth" and "The Devil's Soldiers in the Year", Mino's round of Thai history was invariably performed by Japanese soldiers.

The lines casually said, "I might as well go home."

Playing "devil" is not as simple as imagined. It is not a matter of revealing fierceness, wielding a bayonet, or calling the “eight-fold road”. It is necessary to study in depth the historical knowledge of the background and the Japanese clothing, posture, and manner of speaking. Author Iwata Yubo in the "Chinese anti-Japanese drama play" a Tucao: some "Japanese" to oppress the clothing, the kimono dressed as "shroud"; some Japanese officers even combed before the Meiji Restoration The era was set in 1937, when "high-tech infrared laser inspection intruder" and "Blu-ray certified living organisms" and other high-tech industries took turns.... In the "Island Flying Eagle," the actor wore strange masks, and the Japanese in the confidential documents was in a mess. In the list of members of the organization, the names of the AV actress and former Japanese prime minister are impressively on the list. There are also several “confidential files” in Mio Wheels’s history on the phone. He told the “Global Times” reporter that “these are not sentences at all, not even written, and the props are translated using Baidu”.

“Some mistakes are very low,” Miyato Tan told the Global Times reporter. “For example, the image of Japanese female officers often appears in Chinese anti-war dramas. In fact, at that time, Japan did not have female officers at all, except for individual female spies.” For another example, to shoot a karate shot, the crew prepared a Taekwondo suit and finally he had to buy a costume for himself.

If technical errors can be understood, the misbehaviour of the work can not be tolerated by the Mio Wheels. On one occasion, the director requested that Mino's wheels “have a bad expression in his actions”, the lines “arbitrarily say,” and “anyway, I have to dub voices later, and it doesn’t matter if I call one or two or three or four.” This made Minoan very angry. "I came to act. You asked me to say numbers. I might as well go home." The staff of “Sao Opera” generally do not like to communicate with Japanese actors. Even if Mino’s round pointed out that mistakes are not corrected, “What they need is a Japanese face”.

"China also has many excellent anti-Japanese works."

The same is played as a Japanese soldier. Mino's round of Thai history was also in Nanjing! Nanjing! The classic film and television works such as "Jinling 13" and "Cookman's Opera Zizi" appear in the light. Talking about the experience of cooperation with the top Chinese filmmakers, Mio Wheels frankly stated that "they have benefited a lot". In the “Kitchen Drama Rinko”, the Japanese military officer who was acting as a Mikoto Fifty entered the Japanese restaurant and said “This is a pufferfish” against the water tank. In fact, the puffer fish is made up later, and only an empty water tank is used for shooting. Mino was performed in his own way. The director Guan Hu told him, "Why didn't your eyes move? You have to imagine that there is a pufferfish swimming here." This detail made Mino Wheel very touched. .

"Nanjing! Nanjing! The "Jinling 13" movie crew also has military instructors to guide Japanese actors to maximize the reproduction of Japanese soldiers. Mino Wheel told the Global Times reporter that in fact there are many excellent works on anti-Japanese themes in China. The reason why the "anti-Japanese drama" appeared was mainly the attitude of the creative staff. It turned out that these people really did not become industry leaders.

Lu Tianming, a well-known writer, interviewed by a reporter from the “Global Times” said that the plot of the anti-Japanese drama that is ridiculously absurd can never improve the level of Chinese TV dramas. However, many people still make money from the “anti-Japanese drama”. In any case, the general direction is “anti-Japanese” and there is no political problem. They did not think that such "cultural creation" must have no hope. Cultural creation can be entertaining but not entertaining. Screenwriters, writers, and directors who are loyal to historical facts can only take the right path and avoid making “Surasian” farce.
Keywords: Anti-Japanese drama, China, Japan
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Chinese always taught they were the best. Outsiders are barbarians. So the gods sent outsiders inside to loot, kill and rape the chinese.
Eventually, that resulted in chinese women evolving with having smaller breast and buttocks as a self defence mechanism and slerping with a huge number of men does not make it traumatic anymore and making them the best choice in whorehouses.
 

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they will need more tiong extras as many more chinks got killed in ww2 than japs.


This is the correct way for brutal-ism to work properly, to let more of your own guys die and win war.

This is how things work perfectly for Vietnam & Korean wars also.

Why America's enemies especially 3rd world, Iran NK Somalia etc are fearless against USA? Even Duterte not afraid. Because they know American can not afford their own losses, and they only go can kill people when their own losses are minimum. Majority are afraid of Soviet China Vietnam and North Korea, because the communist like to war with their own death toll very high and not feeling pains, they basically win their war by out dying especially Americans. Perfectly good strategy, because you know that you are doing nothing to them even by killing countless number of them. They will keep coming rapidly until your ammo finished and you are dead meat.

The Magic is their Regime Leaders are Brutal and Effective. They solved resources and over population problem within their own countries by having massive bloody wars against Ang Moh, as long as Ang Moh do not retreat they are happy to continue and death toll feels like nothing at all - just a number.

This is the open secret of victory. Must NEVER CHANGE.
 

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Chinese always taught they were the best. Outsiders are barbarians. So the gods sent outsiders inside to loot, kill and rape the chinese.
Eventually, that resulted in chinese women evolving with having smaller breast and buttocks as a self defence mechanism and slerping with a huge number of men does not make it traumatic anymore and making them the best choice in whorehouses.


Chinese carnage history is very strong and lasting with countless torture and rape without any limits. It is a standard culture, to rape and get rape, and the fun in war is mainly here.

China is a giant country because it invaded conquered by carnage including rape and torture, to expand by consuming many many smaller countries. They some time break apart into smaller countries again and get conquered again, called UNIFICATION what so ever. This is good healthy way of writing the history in blood. Must never stop nor change. What is more exciting than rape? BDSM? Also part of war and carnage mah. Chinese is the global master in this art. Never in any other culture you have so much martial arts and arts of wars, and war histories etc etc. Chinese stage operas and books, and poems, and paintings, full of war carnage recorded.

Confucius a civilian scholar master, also must carry a sword to be considered as fully dressed.

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Every other scholar masters are the same dress code.
 

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Soon need more ah neh actors to be BE soldiers for colonial Singapore movies killed by Japs.

Useless ah neh fight for Pommies to expand BE and end up getting nothing.


they will need more tiong extras as many more chinks got killed in ww2 than japs.
 

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Chinese historian described how the example of recently popular topic of Carnage King 张献忠 because tons of his treasure trove had been recovered from the river bed where his fleet was sunken when his army was defeated. He killed and raped and tortured 10X larger scale and brutality than Nanking massacre. The Chinese history got at least 50 such carnage kings if not 500 of them. Japs is indeed just a tiny small fly that learned only an insignificant amount of such carnage power from Chinese. Really Sap Sap Soy. The currently too civilized Chinese just ignored the history facts and pick on the Japs because Japs are now a separated country. After PLA conquered and carnage entire Japan, they will get 50X more carnage than Nanking and got forgotten just alike what happened with the many carnage kings such as 张献忠.


You can play most of these youtubes with English subtitles auto generated by youtube.







http://history.people.com.cn/n/2014/0416/c372327-24905110-2.html

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掳来的妇女,凡是有姿色的都被轮奸得奄奄一息,然后割下首级,将尸首倒埋进土中。女人的下体朝上,据他们认为可以压制炮火。除了在一种情况下妇女可以免死,那就是张献忠的士兵一进入百姓家,家里的妇女装出十分情愿的样子主动与士兵相淫。因此张献忠的士兵经过的地方,妇女不得不首先迎出来,自己脱衣供他们侮弄,这样才有机会救一家人的性命。
张献忠出身草莽,粗鄙无文,出于一种猜忌、仇视文化人的本能,他必然大杀读书人。据《蜀碧》记载,他的大西政权在四川各州邑安置官员,用军令催逼周围士子乡绅到城镇,由东门入,西门出,尽杀灭。攻陷成都仅二月,杀进士、举人、贡生一万七千人于东门外。又召集生员,拿出一面一百平方尺的大旗,令其在上写一满幅“帅”字,且须一笔书成,能者免死。有夹江生员王志道缚草为笔,浸大缸墨汁三日,直书而成。张献忠仔细看后曰:“尔有才如此,他日图我必尔也!”即刻杀死祭旗。

张献忠攻陷成都,建立大西国政权,两个月后开科取士。严逼各州县士子前来考试,不来者杀头,并连坐左右邻居十家。他在成都贡院前设长绳离地四尺(约1.3米),让考试的人依次过绳,凡身高于绳者,全部赶到西门外青羊宫杀之。前后万余人,死者留下笔砚堆如山积,张献忠前往观看,拊掌大笑开怀。

使人匪夷所思的是张献忠的自毁自杀行为。据《蜀破镜》记载,某日晚,他的一个幼子经过堂前,张呼唤,子未应,即下令杀之。第二天晨起后悔,召集妻妾责问她们昨晚为何不救,又下令将诸妻妾以及杀幼子的刀斧手悉数杀死。

待到后来,他越是军事失败,越是心情焦虑,而大杀自家兵士。据《蜀难叙略》上说,清军进剿追击,张献忠兵败弃成都逃到西充时,已无百姓可杀,乃自杀其卒,每日一二万人。初杀蜀兵,蜀兵尽,次杀楚兵,楚兵尽,后杀同起事之秦兵。一百三十多万人马,两个多月,斩杀过半,以此减负逃窜。张献忠责其下属杀人不力,骂曰:老子只需劲旅三千,便可横行天下,要这么多人做甚!

张献忠一再称梦中得天启,上帝赐天书命他杀罪人。《蜀难叙略》记载,“逆尝向天诅云:人民甚多且狡,若吾力所不及,愿天大降灾殃,灭其种类。又每于随身夹袋中取书册方二三寸许,屏人检阅,然逆初不识字,不知何故。”因此他杀人是负有神圣使命感的,有点像当今以真主名义杀人的恐怖分子,且还要装神弄鬼,谎言欺人。

张献忠还列木为台,命男女共登台上,然后在四面纵火焚烧,一时间惨叫声震天动地,张献忠与属下看着狂笑不已。他为了喂养战马,在杀人剖腹后挖去脏腑,然后用人血浸过的米豆喂马,使马长得十分肥壮。

假如在攻城的时候遇到激烈的抵抗,张献忠就让所掳掠的妇女赤身裸体向城上辱骂。

掳来的妇女,凡是有姿色的都被轮奸得奄奄一息,然后割下首级,将尸首倒埋进土中。女人的下体朝上,据他们认为可以压制炮火。

除了在一种情况下妇女可以免死,那就是张献忠的士兵一进入百姓家,家里的妇女装出十分情愿的样子主动与士兵相淫。因此张献忠的士兵经过的地方,妇女不得不首先迎出来,自己脱衣供他们侮弄,这样才有机会救一家人的性命。

而且张献忠对付妇女还有特别的办法,他设计了一种叫做“骑木驴”的酷刑用来对付不合作的女子:首先将该女子吊起来,使其阴部对准一根直立的木杆,然后割断绳子使该女子坠落下来,木杆遂从女子的阴部穿进,再从口鼻中穿出去。被折磨的女子直到三四天后才死去。民女惊骇之极,只好纷纷主动献身,比娼女还像娼女。

张献忠每攻陷一城,所掳掠的妇女必须由他先挑选出几个姿色美艳的轮流伴宿。这些美女们上半身穿着艳装,下半身赤裸什么也不穿。无论什么时间、什么地点,只要张献忠淫兴勃发,立刻命这些美女横倒在地,进行奸污。等到他玩腻了的时候,便将她们洗剥干净杀死,蒸着或煮着吃。有时他等不及这些美女煮熟了,就带着血大嚼起来。

崇祯十六年(1643年)春天,张献忠连陷广济、蕲州、蕲水等地。他进入黄州的时候百姓都逃走了,于是他驱赶妇女铲城,之后将城里的妇女全部杀死填入沟堑。张献忠的军队由鹦鹉洲进至道士,沿路浮尸遮蔽江面,水面上人的脂油厚达几寸,水里的鱼鳖都不能再吃。

崇祯十七年(1644年),李自成攻入北京,崇祯皇帝在煤山自缢。接着清军入关,张献忠攻占成都,称大西王,建立大西政权。张献忠到了蜀地后大开杀戒,男子无论老幼一律杀死,或者剥皮后剁碎制成醢酱。妇女们被兵士集体轮奸,轮奸后用刀杀死。张献忠患了疟疾,他就对天许愿说如果病好了就以“朝天蜡烛两盘”贡奉给上天,直到他病好以后周围的人才明白这话是什么意思。张献忠命令兵士,专砍女子的纤足,每个兵士必须至少进献十双小脚。那些如狼似虎的士兵专门搜寻女子的纤足,只要遇见女子就地先将脚砍下来。不到半天军营中的小脚已经堆积如山。张献忠命人将收集来的三寸小脚堆成一座山的形状,称为莲峰。他回头一看自己的小妾的脚也很小,就顺便砍下来堆在莲峰顶上,随后再将这些小脚架火烧毁,名为点朝天烛。至于男子则被砍脑袋或割下阳具,也堆在一起在太阳下暴晒。

张献忠性格狡谲嗜杀,一天不杀人就悒悒不乐。他在蜀地开科取士,取中一名姓张的状元。张状元的外表学问都很优秀,容貌长得像美女一样娇艳。张献忠对他非常宠爱,吃饭睡觉形影不离。但是有一天张献忠忽然对左右随从说:“我很爱这个状元,一刻舍不得他离开,还不如杀死了他,免得整天牵肠挂肚。”于是将张状元砍成好几块,用布囊装了挂在床边。接着他又悬榜诡称开科取士,召诱士子前来应考,令人在地上挖掘一个深三四丈的大坑,待这些寒窗十年的读书人来到青羊宫考场后,就被张献忠下令推进土坑活埋。张献忠在中园坑杀成都百姓,明朝投降的各卫籍军九十八万人全部被杀死。他派遣手下四个将军分道屠戮蜀中的各府各县,名为“草杀”。张献忠又创造了生剥皮法,就是在人皮还没有被完全剥下而人已经死去的,刽子手抵死。属下的将卒以杀人数目的多少叙功。若属下表现出不忍心的神情,张献忠就将他们处死。都督张君用、王明等数十人都因为杀人少而被剥皮。

当时川中百姓被屠杀一空,据《明会要》卷五十记载:明万历六年(1578年)四川有“户二十六万二千六百九十四,口三百一十万二千七十三”,到清康熙二十四年(1685年)就陡减至“一万八千零九十丁”。一些四川县志上的户口记载也可以说明,如民国《温江县志》卷一记载:温江县在张献忠死去十三年后仅存三十二户。经过这一次劫难,可以说如今没有几个四川人是土生土长的。当时的民谚说:“岁逢甲乙丙,此地血流红”,“流流贼,贼流流,上界差他斩人头。若有一人斩不尽,行瘟使者在后头。”平民被杀完了,张献忠就派心腹去士兵中间窃听,士兵偶有怨言,就会全家被杀。

张献忠为什么要将四川人杀之一空?有个荒诞不羁的说法是因为当时的四川人过于奢靡淫逸,因而上天降怒,让张献忠杀尽四川平民。当时蜀中妇女的裙子,都是在白罗上用红丝碧线绣成风流的香艳诗句,然后飘若惊魂地在市井间盈盈经过,路上行人都注视着绣裙上的文字。另外蜀中女子流行穿一种高底、厚约三四寸的绣鞋,鞋跟是用檀木雕琢而成,里面藏着香檀雕的花蕾,并放入香末,高底鞋跟下开个小孔,每走一步,足底就会漏出一朵花状的香末。因为张献忠的肆虐,后来的四川女子或许美艳的还有,但再也没有以前的那种诗意盎然的风流韵致了。

川中自从遭到张献忠的杀戮,城内都杂树成拱,野狗吃起人肉像虎豹那样的凶猛,在路上咬死人,不吃干净就走了。百姓逃到深山中,穿着草编的衣服,遍体都生了毛。顺治三年(1646年),在四川已经赤地千里之后,张献忠向陕西进发,企图与清军争夺西安。他焚烧了成都的宫殿庐舍,率众出川北进,又想尽杀川兵。属下的将军刘进忠统率川兵,听到这个消息逃跑了。在盐亭界凤凰坡,张献忠被清兵捕获斩首。当清军到达成都府时,整个成都只剩下不到二十户人。

清代彭遵泗所写的四卷《蜀碧》记述了张献忠在四川时的所作所为,书前作者自序说全书是他根据幼年所听到的张献忠遗事及杂采他人的记载而成。当时的西洋传教士也有相关的记载。

张献忠的残忍或许让人难以接受,其实这是游民的最真实一面。王学泰先生在《游民文化与中国社会》中指出:游民不同于农民,历代王朝末世乱局中的许多起义者都是游民而绝非农民。而且张献忠与腐朽的明朝政府为敌,缺少切实的目的。他占领一个地方然后再放弃,转移到另一个地方,并且不停地杀戮,如此才使他的毫无目标的行为具有存在下去的活力。


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The women who had come were all gang raped and were dying. Then they cut off the head and buried the corpses in the soil. The women's bodies are facing upwards, according to them, they can suppress gunfire. In addition to the fact that women are free from death in one situation, it is that Zhang Xianzhong’s soldiers enter the homes of the people. The women in the family are willing to take the initiative to engage in kinship with the soldiers. Therefore, where Zhang Xianzhong’s soldiers passed by, women had to first come out and undress themselves for them so that they would have the opportunity to save the lives of the family.
Zhang Xianzhong was born in grassland, rough and without text. Out of an instinct of suspicion and hatred of literators, he must kill scholars. According to the records of "Yi Bi," his Daxi regime installed officials in various Sichuan provinces, and used military orders to urge the surrounding scholars to squat to the towns and cities, enter from the east gate, exit from the west gate, and kill. Chengdu was captured only in February and 17,000 Jinshi, Juren and Gongsheng were killed outside the East Gate. They also convened the students and took out a banner of 100 square feet so that they could write a full "shuai" on them. A member of Jiajiang's Wang Zhidao bound the grass with a pen, and dipped in a large cylinder of ink for three days. Zhang Xianzhong looked closely and said: "I have to be so, he plans to be my day!" Immediately kill the flag.

Zhang Xianzhong captured Chengdu and established the regime of the Great Western States. Strictly forced scholars from all states and counties to come to the exam, not to kill the head, and even sit around 10 neighbors. In front of the Chengdu Gongyuan, he set up a four-foot long rope (about 1.3 meters) off the ground, so that the testers passed the ropes in sequence. All those who surpassed the ropes rushed to the Qingyang Palace outside Ximen to kill them. Before and after the death of more than 10,000 people, the deceased left a stack of pens and piles, such as the plot, Zhang Xianzhong to watch, laugh and laugh.

What makes people incredible is Zhang Xianzhong's self-destructive suicide. According to the document “Smashing the Mirror,” one of his young children passed by the front of the church on a late evening. Zhang called, and the son did not respond, that is, ordered to kill it. They regretted the next morning and called on their wives to scold them for asking why they were not saved last night. They also ordered to kill all the wives of the wives and the knife-killers of the children.

Afterwards, the more he defeated the military, the more he felt anxious and he killed his own soldier. According to "The Sorrowful Syria," the Qing army pursued the battle, and when Zhang Xianzhong defeated Chengdu and fled to Xichong, no one could kill, but he committed suicide, with one to two thousand people a day. At the beginning of the killing of the squadrons, the squatting was completed, the soldiers were killed at the time of the killing of the Chu soldiers, and the soldiers of the Qin dynasty were killed after the killing. There are more than 1.3 million horses. In more than two months, more than half of them have been killed in order to reduce their chances of fleeing. Zhang Xianzhong accused his subordinates of killing poorly, saying: I only need three thousand strengths to be able to run the world, so many people must do it!

Zhang Xianzhong repeatedly called the dream apocalypse. God gave the book of heaven to kill him. "Difficulties in Narratives" records that "the opposite of tastes to the heavens and clouds: the people are numerous and embarrassed, and if we fail to do it, we would like to bring down the disaster and destroy the species. Intimacy, screen review, then the beginning of the illiterate, and for unknown reasons.” Therefore, he kills people with a sense of sacred mission, a bit like today’s terrorists who kill in the name of Allah, and they have to pretend to be fools and lie.

Zhang Xianzhong also listed the wood as a table and ordered men and women to go on stage. Then he set fire to all sides and screamed for a moment. Zhang Xianzhong and his subordinates looked mad and laughed. In order to feed the warhorse, he dug out the viscera after killing the caesarean section and fed it with blood-soaked rice beans to make the horse grow fat.

If he encounters fierce resistance during the siege, Zhang Xianzhong will let the robbed women naked to the city.

The women who had come were all gang raped and were dying. Then they cut off the head and buried the corpses in the soil. The women's bodies are facing upwards, according to them, they can suppress gunfire.

In addition to the fact that women are free from death in one situation, it is that Zhang Xianzhong’s soldiers enter the homes of the people. The women in the family are willing to take the initiative to engage in kinship with the soldiers. Therefore, where Zhang Xianzhong’s soldiers passed by, women had to first come out and undress themselves for them so that they could have the opportunity to save the lives of the family.

Moreover, Zhang Xianzhong had a special way to deal with women. He designed a kind of torture called “riding wooden donkeys” to deal with uncooperative women: first, the woman was hung up and her pudenda was aligned with an upright wooden pole. Then she cut the rope to make the woman fall down. The wooden pole was cut through the woman's genitals, and she was passed out of her mouth and nose. The tortured woman did not die until three or four days later. Extremely shocked, the women had to voluntarily sacrifice their lives and act like prostitutes rather than prostitutes.

Every time Zhang Xianzhong conquers a city, the women who have been robbed must be selected by him to pick up a few beautiful and charming turns. These beautiful women were dressed in camouflage costumes on the upper body and naked on the lower body. No matter what time or place, as long as Zhang Xianzhong was prosperous, he immediately ordered these beautiful women to fall to the ground and commit adultery. When he was tired, they washed and killed, steamed or boiled. Sometimes he couldn't wait for the beauty to be cooked and chewed up with blood.

In the spring of 16 years (1643) of Chongzhen, Zhang Xianzhong even fell into Guangji, Zhangzhou, and Surabaya. When he entered Huangzhou, the people fled, and he drove the women to shovel the city. Afterwards, all the women in the city were killed and filled into the ravine. Zhang Xianzhong’s army went from Parrot Island to the Taoist priest. The dead bodies along the road covered the river. The fat on the surface of the water was a few inches thick, and the fish in the water could no longer eat it.

In the 17th year of Chongzhen (1644), Li Zicheng broke into Beijing, and the Chongzhen Emperor swore himself in the coal mountains. Then the Qing army entered the customs, Zhang Xianzhong captured Chengdu, called the Great West King, and established the Great Western regime. When Zhang Xianzhong came to the depression, he killed him and killed all men, young and old, or smashed them and made them. Women were gang-raped collectively by soldiers and killed with a knife after gang rape. Zhang Xianzhong suffered from malaria. He just wished to make a vow to heaven and said that if he had a good illness, he would be given to Heaven with "two candles in the sky." Until he became ill, the people around him would understand what this meant. Zhang Xianzhong ordered the soldiers to specifically cut the slender feet of women. Each soldier must contribute at least ten pairs of feet. The wolf-like soldiers specifically search for the woman's feet, as long as she meets the woman and cuts her feet first. Less than half a day in the barracks, the feet have piled up. Zhang Xianzhong ordered that the three-inch feet collected be piled up into the shape of a mountain called the lotus peak. He looked back and saw that his little sister's feet were also very small. He cut it down and piled it on top of the lotus peak. Then he burned the tiny firecrackers and called it upside down. As for the man, he was cut off his head or cut the penis, and he was also piled up in the sun.

Zhang Xianzhong's personality was killing and he was unhappy when he didn't kill one day. He took a doctorate in the open field and took a champion named Zhang. The top scholar's appearance is very good, looks like a beautiful woman. Zhang Xianzhong was very fond of him, eating and sleeping inseparable. But one day, Zhang Xianzhong suddenly said to the right and left, “I love this champion. I can't bear to leave him at the moment. I might as well kill him so I don’t have to worry about it all day.” So he cut Zhang Zhuang into pieces and put it in a cloth bag. Hang on the bedside. Then he suspended the list and claimed that he had taken a bachelor's degree and called the inquisitor to come and take a test. This made it possible to dig a deep pit of 34 to 40 feet on the ground. After these ten years of studying, he came to the Qingyang Palace examination room and was Zhang Xianzhong ordered the burying of earth pits. Zhang Xianzhong had killed the people of Chengdu in the park and all the 98,000 people who had surrendered in the Ming Dynasty had been killed. He dispatched his four generals to separate and slay the prefectures and counties in the counties and called them "grasses." Zhang Xianzhong also created a skin peeling method, in which the human skin has not yet been completely peeled off and the person has already died. The executioner resists death. How much is the purpose of the number of people who will be killed or killed. If they showed an unbearable look, Zhang Xianzhong would execute them. Dudu, Zhang Junyong, Wang Ming, and other dozen people were skinned because they had fewer murders.

At that time, the Chuanzhong people were slaughtered. According to the “Ming Hui Yao” volume 50 records: Ming Wanli six years (1578) Sichuan had “Household 262,694, 3,110,200 Seventy-three years ago, in the twenty-fourth year of Qing Emperor Kangxi (1685), it was abruptly reduced to “18,090 Ding.” Some account records in the Sichuan county records can also be illustrated. For example, in the Republic of China, “Wenjiang County” volume 1 records: Wenjiang County had only 32 households after Zhang Xianzhong died for 13 years. After this catastrophe, it can be said that few people in Sichuan today are native-born. The folks at the time said: "When you are old, you are in A and B. The blood is red." "The thief is running, the thief is turbulent, and the upper bound is worse. If there is one, the cleaver is behind." The civilians were killed. After they were finished, Zhang Xianzhong sent his henchmen to eavesdropping among the soldiers. The soldiers occasionally complained and they were killed.

Why did Zhang Xianzhong kill Sichuan people? There is an absurd statement because the Sichuanese people were too extravagant and obscene, so they were angry and let Zhang Xianzhong kill civilians in Sichuan. At the time, the women's skirts in Suizhong were all embroidered in white silk with beautiful lines of silk and blue lines, and then passed through the city. The pedestrians were watching the text on the embroidered skirt. In addition, the Suizhong woman popularly wears a high-heeled, embroidered shoe with a thickness of about 34 inches. The heel is made of sandalwood and it contains the buds of the incense sandalwood. It is put in the incense, and the high-heeled heel opens. A small hole, each step, the foot will leak a flower-like incense. Because Zhang Xianzhong's raging, the later Sichuan women may be glamorous but there is no longer a poetic charm of the past.

Since Chuanzhong was slain by Zhang Xianzhong, all the city's streets were miscellaneous and arched. Wild dogs ate human flesh like tigers and leopards, killed people on the road, and left without eating clean. The people fled into the mountains, dressed in straw-like clothes, and had hair everywhere. In the three years of Shunzhi (1646), Zhang Xianzhong made a march to Shaanxi in an attempt to compete with Qing for Xi’an after thousands of miles away. He burnt a palace in Chengdu and led the audience to go northwards and try to kill the Sichuan soldiers. The general Liu Jinzhong, commander of the army, commanded the Sichuan soldiers to escape and heard the news. In Fenghuangpo, Yantingjie, Zhang Xianzhong was captured by Qing soldiers. When the Qing Army arrived in Chengdu, only 20 households remained in Chengdu.

The four volumes of Peng Bi, written by Peng Zongxi in the Qing Dynasty, describe what Zhang Xianzhong did when he was in Sichuan. Before the book, the author stated that the whole book was based on the records of Zhang Xianzhong’s legacy and miscellaneous collections he heard from childhood. The Western missionaries at that time also had relevant records.

Zhang Xianzhong’s cruelty may be difficult to accept. In fact, this is the most real aspect of the people. Mr. Wang Xuetai pointed out in "Youmin Culture and Chinese Society": Youmin differs from the peasants, and many of the insurgents in the turbulent dynasties of the dynasties were migrants and not peasants. Moreover, Zhang Xianzhong is an enemy of the decadent Ming government and lacks practical goals. He occupied a place and then gave up, moved to another place, and kept killing, so that his goalless behavior had the vigor of existence.
 

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Let me give my translation for the 1st part.

Carnage troop gang rape and killed women after, and bury their corpse in a unique position exposing their CB / Butt pointing up towards enemy's direction, as they believe this ritual of black magic will suppress enemy artillery and archery fire. Corpse assholes / cunts pointing at enemy give them ass luck is their logic. The more the number of such corpses point towards enemies they get bigger victory. (I read these from many similar historic sources).

The only way civilian women can prevent their own deaths is to await naked outside their houses or villages and welcome troops and willingly and full heartedly have a gang bang orgy with soldiers, and if soldiers are happy with their orgies, the family & village will be spared from carnage. Therefore nude women always await to please troops when they are anticipated to arrive.

Total Carnage figure after his army entered and left 四川 3 times, is recorded to be 600million. Japs Nanking is a tiny poor figure compared.


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逝川:“八大王”张献忠在明末清初三次入川的来龙去脉

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围绕在张献忠身边的,总是少不了他在四川的“暴行”。《明会要》记载万历六年(1578年)四川有人口三百一十万,而到了清初四川结束战乱的顺治十八年(1661年),根据《四川通史》数据,在籍人口锐减到了1.6万户,约8万人(但实际人口肯定不止8万,因连年战乱,有大量流民无法统计)!上百万的人口锐减,自然不会是自然死亡,那么谁是这个罪魁祸首呢?

在民间流传深远的一种观点是:张献忠是屠川的刽子手,他统治四川期间为巩固统治,报复地主阶级和四川百姓,进行了惨无人道的屠杀。以至于川省十室九空,清康熙年间不得不移湖广百姓填实四川。此种观点也有众多史料支撑,《明史》、《蜀碧》、《蜀警录》、《蜀难叙略》、《蜀龟鉴》、《后鉴录》、《客滇述》、《圣教入川记》中都有部分记载:

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这些史料或为清朝官修正史,或为明朝遗民笔记,或为西方传教士的记录。从不同方面记录了张献忠的大西政权在四川的杀戮行径,也正是有着这样一些史料的支撑,使得张献忠“坐实”了“川中屠夫”的名号。

然而,进行深入考究就会发现,以上史料存在诸多疑点,尤其在所涉及的杀戮人数上有重大偏差。《明史》中记载“共杀男女六万万有奇”就是一个非常尴尬的数字,《明会典》统计万历年间全国人口为六千多万,而明朝峰值人口在不同学者间有不同说法,在6000万至2亿之间。但不管怎么说,光在四川就屠杀了6亿人,无论如何是不可能的。而《后鉴录》中四路屠蜀的记载更是匪夷所思:

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1646年四路所屠杀的人数加起来,达到了6亿9948万之多,同《明史》记载中远远超出四川人口的错误一样。并且1646年是大顺三年,正是大西政权受到清军和南明南北夹击处境困顿的时候,川南州县已经被明参将杨展夺去,汉中地区处于满清靖远大将军豪格的威胁之下,重庆也已经在去年被大明四川巡抚马干收复。可见大西政权实际控制区域有限,且要防备来自各方的威胁。在这种情况下还要将部队分四路“草杀”,且从当年元日杀到五月,实在不符合逻辑。

除了数字有漏洞,张献忠在四川的统治也并不是一路残暴到底。从他在武昌称王时开科取士招揽人才,到占据长沙后免征税粮,军纪严明来看,张献忠并非是天生嗜杀,尤其是对普通百姓。大西王也是有着收民心夺天下的野心的。

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八大王前两次入川主要是辗转作战,时间都不长,也没有对蜀地百姓产生深远影响。具体的“屠蜀”行径可以从张献忠第三次入川作战(1644年1月)到放弃成都北上(1646年9月)间二年多的时间内进行辨析。

如同上文所说,入川之前,张献忠是很少对普通百姓举起屠刀的,只是对明朝藩王和官员地主进行处决。入川初期,也是极少见到杀戮记载的,这是因为农民起义军得到百姓支持,军事进展顺利,所到之处无不“箪食壶浆以迎”。主要有攻击的大规模“屠杀”,主要集中在以下三次:一是1644年6月克重庆,二是1644年7月克成都,三是所谓屠杀士子案。那么我们就来探究以下张献忠为什么要进行杀戮,对象又都是些什么人,大体杀了多少?

首先是攻克重庆之时,《明史纪事本末》的记载是“‘贼’屠重庆”,《明季南略》则记载“城中百万圣灵,无一逃者”。看起来似乎是把重庆人民给杀光了,但一来这不合情理,否则后来南明收复重庆一座空城意欲何为?二来随着张献忠的大西军声势逐渐壮大,张献忠本人和部将都会产生谋求更高政治诉求的动机。张献忠的义子,在张献忠称帝后被封为平东王的平东将军孙可望就曾对他说过:“今出万死争斯土,庶几为王成霸业耳。若又屠其众,某等何用生为!”(《绥寇纪略》)。可见,大西集团的上层是懂得“民为贵,君为轻”的道理的,而不肯任意乱杀的。

那么真正的事实,也许可以从《续绥寇纪略》中窥见:

“引瑞王入……遂命凌迟。时赤日正中,忽黑云弥漫,雷电大作。献忠惧,刺王速死,盛以棺。初欲屠重庆,因是亦止。”

虽然这段记载有着浓浓的迷信味道,但却侧面反映了重庆当时的事实真相,即农民军并没有屠重庆。

当然,没有屠城并不代表没有在重庆杀人。《蜀碧》记载的是:“‘贼’陷重庆,瑞王常浩及巡抚陈士奇以下各官死之……自瑞王以下,死者万人”。《怀陵流寇终始录》记载的是:“重庆陷,士奇与太守王行俭、巴令王锡皆被杀害……衣冠死者甚众。”可见,张献忠在重庆所杀戮的,同他在凤阳、襄阳、武昌所杀戮的朱国正、襄王、楚王一样,是以瑞王朱常浩和巡抚陈士奇为代表的朱明宗室和明朝上层官员。

其次是攻克成都之时,同样有史料指证张献忠在成都大肆屠杀。《明史》有载:“坑成都民于中园”,“遣四将军分屠各府县”等。而实际情况,也与在重庆大体相似。一方面大西政权初立,急需稳定民心巩固后方,此时大肆屠杀无异于四处树敌,如果真如这些史料记载,恐怕大西政权连大顺二年都呆不下去。另一方面,大西政权为了经营四川也做了许多事情,颁行《通天历》、铸“大顺通宝”行用、开科取士“中乡试者八十人,中会试者五十人”(《锦里新编》)并任命为四川各郡县官员,张献忠甚至下了严格的禁令,约束部下不得“擅自招兵、擅受民词、擅取本土妇女为妻”(《平寇志》)。这一切都和屠杀成都的描述相矛盾。
 

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Carnage of 张献忠 is very colorful and creative. But he is not the biggest nor most powerful carnage king, there are many more. His art of carnage makes Japs WW2 a pale colorless record in comparison. Try the above video with English subtitles.


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天生万物以养人
人无一无以报天
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张献忠 motto is very true and very real.

Heavens produced everything on the earth to feed man
Yet man contributes nothing back to the heaven and earth
So thus, massive carnage is well justified !!

Perfect Spirit! Honesty!


Man only fucking ruined the planet earth and plundered every bit of resources from planet earth! So man deserve every carnage! Bravo!
 
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