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China released Statistic figure even Hubei HEALING RATE from COVID now EXCEEDED 90%

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https://www.sohu.com/a/383309679_162522?spm=smpc.home.fspic.1.1585208902345ODohMBY

湖北省治愈率首次突破90%
2020-03-26 14:56

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截至3月25日24时,湖北省累计治愈出院病例61201例,累计确诊67801例,治愈率超90%。周知,继续加油! 返回搜狐,查看更多
 

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Zero dead rate in several Chinese provinces. In 湖北 and mostly of 武汉, there are still 4493 hospitalized old cases which are the most complicated because these mostly senior citizens already have multiple complex ailments before getting COVID. They are too weak and tricky to heal normally. Chinese medical miracles are saving them anyway. These patients have e.g. cancer - some in lungs before COVID. Hypertension Stroke, diabetic, cardiac etc are many cases among. This 4493 figure was this morning's figure and hundreds daily are healed and discharged, rapidly reducing this last backlog figure.
 

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It just proves what I've been saying all along. This virus is no big deal. Most pull through. It's just like any other disease. Some are fucked but most are not.
 

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It just proves what I've been saying all along. This virus is no big deal. Most pull through. It's just like any other disease. Some are fucked but most are not.


Nope!

Health & Luck also not sufficient. You need to be RICH because COVID medical bill IS A BOMB! Cannot afford to pay then buy coffin instead. You need to be in a good country like China where their medical are CAPABLE of saving your ass, with profound experience profound knowledge and adequate good facilities + availability.

Availability means there are not too many patients to each doctor/nurse ratio, Equipment / bed sufficient, no long-long waiting time until you stopped breathing. Medical Oxygen supplies enough to prevent you up lorry.

You lack any of these up lorry just like those in Italy Spain etc now. Queuing for cemetery.
 

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Nope!

Health & Luck also not sufficient. You need to be RICH because COVID medical bill IS A BOMB! Cannot afford to pay then buy coffin instead. You need to be in a good country like China where their medical are CAPABLE of saving your ass, with profound experience profound knowledge and adequate good facilities + availability.

Availability means there are not too many patients to each doctor/nurse ratio, Equipment / bed sufficient, no long-long waiting time until you stopped breathing. Medical Oxygen supplies enough to prevent you up lorry.

You lack any of these up lorry just like those in Italy Spain etc now. Queuing for cemetery.

Same applies to any other disease. Money buys the best treatment. It has always been that way.

Why would those with no means want to live such a long life anyway. They should thank Covid-19 for putting them out of their misery.
 

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Nope!

Health & Luck also not sufficient. You need to be RICH because COVID medical bill IS A BOMB! Cannot afford to pay then buy coffin instead. You need to be in a good country like China where their medical are CAPABLE of saving your ass, with profound experience profound knowledge and adequate good facilities + availability.

Availability means there are not too many patients to each doctor/nurse ratio, Equipment / bed sufficient, no long-long waiting time until you stopped breathing. Medical Oxygen supplies enough to prevent you up lorry.

You lack any of these up lorry just like those in Italy Spain etc now. Queuing for cemetery.


If hospitals are overloaded and super long Q, then will die before reach your turn to see any doctor.
 

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No one believes news the chinks put out. Besides, all the older folks who contracted the virus have already up lorry.
 

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No one believes news the chinks put out. Besides, all the older folks who contracted the virus have already up lorry.

Upping lorry is the only thing that old folks excel in so there's nothing out of the ordinary going on.
 

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Upping lorry is the only thing that old folks excel in so there's nothing out of the ordinary going on.
Yes, but they helped make the "healing" numbers look better now, since they were mostly the ones contributing to the death aka "unhealed" rate.
 

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Yes, but they helped make the "healing" numbers look better now, since they were mostly the ones contributing to the death aka "unhealed" rate.

Everyone is trying to spin the numbers to their own advantage. However the fact still remains that the virus is relatively harmless in all except the elderly which mirrors any respiratory disease.

This is far less serious than diseases like polio that were wiping out 5 year olds in large numbers before a vaccine was discovered.

There is an excellent chart at https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-d...rs-produce-new-coronavirus-fatality-estimate/ which takes into account asymptotic infections and not just those that have ended up testing positive through testing regimes that are limited in capacity.

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It shows just how mild the virus is as why it is a dead squid for most, except of course, for those that succumb.

We are destroying whole communities with the response to this imagined threat. The world has gone crazy.
 

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Everyone is trying to spin the numbers to their own advantage. However the fact still remains that the virus is relatively harmless in all except the elderly which mirrors any respiratory disease.

This is far less serious than diseases like polio that were wiping out 5 year olds in large numbers before a vaccine was discovered.

There is an excellent chart at https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-d...rs-produce-new-coronavirus-fatality-estimate/ which takes into account asymptotic infections and not just those that have ended up testing positive through testing regimes that are limited in capacity.

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It shows just how mild the virus is as why it is a dead squid for most, except of course, for those that succumb.

We are destroying whole communities with the response to this imagined threat. The world has gone crazy.
That's an estimate that'll put a lot of mind to rest. One of my much younger friends (he's 45) told me today that he thought he might've caught the virus in Dec 2019, felt lethargic and feverish with a cough.

This is a new strain of SARS the world is dealing with. Nobody wants to be on the wrong side of history and publicly make light of the situation. Everyone wants to err on the side of caution. The high death rate in China, Italy, US, UK etc over a very short period of time is very unnerving.
 

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That's an estimate that'll put a lot of mind to rest. One of my much younger friends (he's 45) told me today that he thought he might've caught the virus in Dec 2019, felt lethargic and feverish with a cough.

This is a new strain of SARS the world is dealing with. Nobody wants to be on the wrong side of history and publicly make light of the situation. Everyone wants to err on the side of caution. The high death rate in China, Italy, US, UK etc over a very short period of time is very unnerving.

When my mum went in for an operation at 83 my doctor buddy already warned me that those in their 80s and 90s are very prone to CATCHING pneumonia when they went in for ANY procedure.

However we discussed her case and decided that because her quality of life was so poor because of her ailment that it was a risk that was worth taking.

Needless to say she caught pneumonia and passed away. However there were no regrets because her death came as a relief for everyone I'm pretty sure she was glad to go too.

What the stats are telling me is that an 80+ year old has more than an 80% chance of beating this virus which is fantastic odds.

Hip fractures have far worse outcomes than the coronavirus. However they are not newsworthy.

https://theconversation.com/why-hip-fractures-in-the-elderly-are-often-a-death-sentence-95784

The news an elderly relative has broken a hip tends to sound alarm bells, perhaps more than breaking another bone would. That’s because a hip fracture dramatically increases an older person’s risk of death.

One in three adults aged 50 and over dies within 12 months of suffering a hip fracture. Older adults have a five-to-eight times higher risk of dying within the first three months of a hip fracture compared to those without a hip fracture. This increased risk of death remains for almost ten years.

Beyond suffering pain, a hip fracture results in a loss of physical function, decreased social engagement, increased dependence, and worse quality of life. Many people who have a hip fracture need to change their living conditions, such as relocating from their home into a residential aged care facility.

Ultimately, the often rapid regression of an older person’s health following a hip fracture means outcomes are poor.
 

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https://www.verywellhealth.com/how-dangerous-is-a-broken-hip-when-youre-older-2223520

Causes of Death After Hip Fracture

What do patients die from after a hip fracture? The 2011 study found that when compared with controls of similar ages, a greater number of women died of pneumonia and cognitive disorders. In the Archives of Internal Medicine analysis, a number of causes of short-term mortality were suggested, including problems that can occur after surgery (such as pulmonary embolism, infection, and heart failure). In addition, health problems that could have led to the fall in the first place —such as dementia, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD), and cardiovascular disease—are also cited as contributors to the increased mortality. The researchers note that generally speaking, people who break a hip are more functionally impaired before the fracture when compared with those who do not have a fracture.5

While age is a major risk factor for falls, a person who is healthy and fit may be considered to have a lower chronological age, leaving them less susceptible to falls
 

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the one statistic cumming out of the prc that can be believed is that there are 6.9m sex workers, a.k.a. prostitutes. that's according to the world health organization in 2010, and prc did not dispute the number. the actual number in 2020 may be 69m, with many millions already overseas spreading the ccp virus. the 2nd fact about the prc that can be believed is that the prc prostitute is 6.9 times more trustworthy than the prc regime, cumming 3rd behind the farmer (1st) and religious leader (2nd).
 

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When my mum went in for an operation at 83 my doctor buddy already warned me that those in their 80s and 90s are very prone to CATCHING pneumonia when they went in for ANY procedure.

However we discussed her case and decided that because her quality of life was so poor because of her ailment that it was a risk that was worth taking.

Needless to say she caught pneumonia and passed away. However there were no regrets because her death came as a relief for everyone I'm pretty sure she was glad to go too.

What the stats are telling me is that an 80+ year old has more than an 80% chance of beating this virus which is fantastic odds.

Hip fractures have far worse outcomes than the coronavirus. However they are not newsworthy.

https://theconversation.com/why-hip-fractures-in-the-elderly-are-often-a-death-sentence-95784

The news an elderly relative has broken a hip tends to sound alarm bells, perhaps more than breaking another bone would. That’s because a hip fracture dramatically increases an older person’s risk of death.

One in three adults aged 50 and over dies within 12 months of suffering a hip fracture. Older adults have a five-to-eight times higher risk of dying within the first three months of a hip fracture compared to those without a hip fracture. This increased risk of death remains for almost ten years.

Beyond suffering pain, a hip fracture results in a loss of physical function, decreased social engagement, increased dependence, and worse quality of life. Many people who have a hip fracture need to change their living conditions, such as relocating from their home into a residential aged care facility.

Ultimately, the often rapid regression of an older person’s health following a hip fracture means outcomes are poor.
Sorry to hear about your mother.

In old age, if one thing doesn't get us, another thing will. Everything leads to something. And as we get older, we ought to be more careful and mindful of our limitations. We also tend to be more forgetful, more liable to make mistakes which can prove fatal. But like you mentioned, do all we can to protect ourselves and live life to the fullest.
 

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Sorry to hear about your mother.

In old age, if one thing doesn't get us, another thing will. Everything leads to something. And as we get older, we ought to be more careful and mindful of our limitations. We also tend to be more forgetful, more liable to make mistakes which can prove fatal. But like you mentioned, do all we can to protect ourselves and live life to the fullest.

Politicians are quick to make judgement calls because they'll still have their salaries at the end of the lockdown period and the left wing retards figure that their touchy feely message that lives matter more than the economy will resonate with their support base.

Here are the stats that actually matter :

Westpac forecasts unemployment will climb by 200,000
Tom Pullar-Strecker08:56, Mar 27 2020


Westpac has put out a bleak assessment of the economic impacts of the coroanvirus.

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Westpac has put out a bleak assessment of the economic impacts of the coroanvirus.
Westpac is forecasting 200,000 jobs will be lost in New Zealand as a result of the response to the coronavirus pandemic.
Chief economist Dominick Stephens estimated that economic activity during the four week lockdown would decline by a third, despite the Government and the Reserve Bank having "done a lot to calm financial markets".
It was obvious the country was going into a "severe economic crunch", he said.

Stephens said his feeling was that GDP in the three months to June would fall by more than 10 per cent "which is completely unprecedented in our lifetimes".

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"But our early is estimate is that about 200,000 jobs will be lost, which is about 7 per cent of the workforce."
The unemployment rate would rise into the "high single digits for the first time since the 1990s", he said.
BNZ research head Stephen Toplis also forecast on Wednesday that GDP could easily decline by 10 per cent and said its "central scenario" was that unemployment would rise to 9 per cent, though it has "pencilled in" only a 5 per cent GDP drop for the second quarter.
"We think the unemployment rate will peak at the end of next year but that it will drop sharply thereafter," Toplis said.
Stephens said he "didn't believe for a second" that the long term value of firms had fallen as far as sharemarket prices over the last few weeks.
"When financial markets calm, I wouldn't be surprised by a rebound," he said.
A rebound appeared in evidence in the United States overnight, with the Dow Jones industrial average closing 6 per cent higher at 9am New Zealand time on Friday.
The index is now 23 per cent up on the low it reached on Monday, but 24 per cent off the record high it reached in February.
ASB economist Mike Jones said "a nervous calm" appeared to have returned to financial markets.
"While Covid-19 continues to rapidly spread, there is increased confidence that unprecedented policy support will stave off the most dire outcome for the global economy," he said.
But consumer confidence appeared to have plunged. The ANZ-Roy Morgan Consumer Confidence Index fell in March, new data on Thursday showed.
The proportion of households who thought it was good time to buy a major household item plummeted from 41 per cent to 16 per cent, the bank said.
"Even if consumers wanted to spend, their ability to do so is now severely curtailed," ANZ chief economist Sharon Zollner said.
Perceptions regarding 2021 economic outlook fell 42 points, with a net 39 per cent expecting conditions to worsen, the weakest since March 2009.
"New Zealand consumers were feeling pretty good in February, with a lifting housing market, plentiful job opportunities, and low interest rates. Times have changed rapidly – more so than what's been captured in this month's survey," Zollner said.
 

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Any figures from China ought to be scrutinised. That said, the infection rate of this virus is high never mind if it don’t kill as fast. It’s the infection rate that scares and every infection carries a risk of dying or tying up medical resources.
They should open up st John island and place all infected there. Let the fittest survive.
 

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China can have 100% healing rates at many places and globally lowest fatality rates. Others can not expect to have the same. World is UNEQUAL forever.

Difference between STRONG / WEAK; BIG / SMALL; WIN / LOSE; SMART / STUPID; FAST / SLOW; LIVE / DIE; SURVIVE / PERISH must all show up very drastically and clearly.
 
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