China lands high-tech J-15 jet on new carrier

[yellowarse]

So I think China is merely a power today by virtue of its size. It will not be a superpower in our lifetime, and probably not even in our grandkids lifetime.

Your reading is unduly pessimistic, having assumed that China's socio-political structure (and its constraints) will remain the same forever.

The one factor justifying guarded optimism for China's future is that once the economic potential of the people has been unleashed in the post-commie era, nothing can take it back. Ditto for the freedom—although limited compared to the West—that the masses have tasted for the first time in 5,000 years. Plus the effects of globalization.

You can't turn back the clock. Of course, there will be a lot of dislocations, booms and busts, social and political change before China finds its way to superpower-dom. I see a loosening of central authoritarian rule with some kind of democracy introduced at county and provincial level. Things will turn ugly in the short and medium term, to be sure, but trajectories for the Chinese nation have always been measured in decades and centuries, never in terms of years.

When Napoleon said, 'Let the sleeping giant lie. For when it awakes, it will shake the world' he wasn't thinking in 5 or 10-year cycles.

 

[watchman8]

Your reading is unduly pessimistic, having assumed that China's socio-political structure (and its constraints) will remain the same forever.

When Napoleon said, 'Let the sleeping giant lie. For when it awakes, it will shake the world' he wasn't thinking in 5 or 10-year cycles.

I believe Napoleon has never even been to china, and neither does he speak the language.
What has happened to Japan since 1990 has started in China recently. And it will be far worse in China.

 

[sleaguepunter]

I believe Napoleon has never even been to china, and neither does he speak the language.
What has happened to Japan since 1990 has started in China recently. And it will be far worse in China.

japan was a backward nation ruled by a despot shogun who split japan into many parts rule by different damiyos but within 50yrs japan already a powerful east asian power that defeat tsar russia and went on to challenge the western nations for control of the far east. China only start her reform in the early 1980s, it only 30yrs since then. A nation which had atmost a million automobiles in the 80s, almost all owned by the State, to now a car sold every 30s to private owners. As long China dont make the same mistake as the japanese in the 1930s and bide her time, China can become the new superpower in another 30-50yrs which seriously most of us will not be around to see.

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

My thinking about China is that the country has too much baggage and the current political system will eventually doom the country. China has not completed its "French revolution" that will create a more sustainable system in which greviances can be settled via voting. The current system is so broken that a permanent underclass has formed and the ruling class will continue to steal and rob without checks. That's why I think if the USA is to engage China militarily, the Chinese masses may in fact cheer for team USA if the US manages the optics properly.

That said, the Chinese race will still thrive outside of China. The talented Chinese will continue to flow out of the country into countries that they deemed to offer a better life for themselves and their offsprings. The massive brain drain combined with low birthrate will doom the country for a few more decades or even centuries. The main beneficiaries of this brain drain will be North America, Australia, Southeast Asia and Europe.

The pollution, political environment, deficit education system, poor healthcare etc will ensure that the brain drain will not reverse for several more decades. You can already see the decline starting now, just as the population is starting to age (one child policy started in 1978, so the number of young adults entering the workforce are declining annually since 2010).

The decline of China will be like Japan on steriod. My bet is that it will be scary because Japan, in contrast, has accumulated more wealth before GDP stagnated, and the brain drain has been limited.

So I think China is merely a power today by virtue of its size. It will not be a superpower in our lifetime, and probably not even in our grandkids lifetime.

I concur that the communist system does deny certain freedoms to the people but hey let's be honest. It also occurs right here. In fact there are less freedoms in singapore in some aspects compared to china and this country isn't communist. It's the same in the US and even india. These are democracies only in name but they actually deny many individual rights even in the US. I'm not really sure about permananent underclass but hey comeon. There are poor people in every country even the US. In the US the black people have traditionally been poor for generations ever since they were slaves. Isn't that an underclass? The rich in the US do steal from the poor if you want to put it that way.

I do believe that there are actually many china ppl returning to china. Also comeon china still has 3-4x the population of the USA and you're talking about declining population? If we followed your line of thinking countries like japan and germany must be really struggling since they have much smaller populations and they aren't reproducing fast enough and many european countries have many muslim immigrants on top of that.

See the parts of your statements that i have highlighted in red? Yup your opinions and you are entitled to them but might i add you're actually painting a very negative and bleak picture too early. Japanese brain drain limited? Now i'm not really sure how many japs actually emigrate from japan but japan has stagnated since the 80s and even if fewer japs do emigrate compared to china well somehow their limited brain drain assuming fewer japs emigrate has not actually helped the country at all.

Btw what do you mean power by virtue of its size? I just hate the way you use your terminology. Russia is a power cos of its size, same as the US. The european nations formed the EU to grow larger in size. It's a no brainer larger countries tend to be more powerful. There are countries with large populations but aren't that powerful. India has a similar population size to china but isn't as powerful as china but yeah it does have some power "by virtue of its size".

It actually shows extreme biasness on your part but you don't really have compelling reasons at all. Merely a power by virtue of its size. That's like saying usain bolt is a good runner by virtue of his height. Like taking away the glory of a person or entity unfairly. Can you imagine the sort of backlash someone would get if he said hey usain bolt wouldn't be the fastest man alive if he weren't so tall and his legs were so long. It's a very sour grapish type of comment to make. I could similarly say hey the US wouldn't be a superpower by virtue of its size too.

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

Your reading is unduly pessimistic, having assumed that China's socio-political structure (and its constraints) will remain the same forever.

The one factor justifying guarded optimism for China's future is that once the economic potential of the people has been unleashed in the post-commie era, nothing can take it back. Ditto for the freedom—although limited compared to the West—that the masses have tasted for the first time in 5,000 years. Plus the effects of globalization.

You can't turn back the clock. Of course, there will be a lot of dislocations, booms and busts, social and political change before China finds its way to superpower-dom. I see a loosening of central authoritarian rule with some kind of democracy introduced at county and provincial level. Things will turn ugly in the short and medium term, to be sure, but trajectories for the Chinese nation have always been measured in decades and centuries, never in terms of years.

When Napoleon said, 'Let the sleeping giant lie. For when it awakes, it will shake the world' he wasn't thinking in 5 or 10-year cycles.

Seriously if he wanted to be more compelling he should have written that about china during the 1970s or in the early 20th century which were the worst periods of modern china. China managed to overcome those periods and make it out and still he refuses to believe it. He's bias and no amount of accomplishments china makes will ever convince him.


If you read about how internet users in china have such a huge impact in stopping corruption in the govt or bringing other evil internet users to justice it shows that china is improving in terms of social stability.

He could even dismiss what a great leader and military strategist says about china shows his biasness. Like somehow his opinion carries more weight than napoleon's.

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

I believe Napoleon has never even been to china, and neither does he speak the language.
What has happened to Japan since 1990 has started in China recently. And it will be far worse in China.

What does not being able to speak the language have to do with his comment? See you don't even have any compelling reasons to dismiss napoleon's observations. I don't speak russian nor have i ever been to russia so following your logic hey russia must be a very weak country with no military might whatsoever.


Actually care to explain to me why napoleon would make that sort of comment about china then? Doesn't speak chinese or has not been to china but calls china a sleeping giant. Napoleon a great conqueror who surely knows about military strategies and the might of various countries actually makes up "shit" about another country and calls it a sleeping giant. So i suppose he was talking crap about china and your opinion carries more weight than napoleon's?

 

[Sunstreaker]

What does not being able to speak the language have to do with his comment? See you don't even have any compelling reasons to dismiss napoleon's observations. I don't speak russian nor have i ever been to russia so following your logic hey russia must be a very weak country with no military might whatsoever.

Actually care to explain to me why napoleon would make that sort of comment about china then? Doesn't speak chinese or has not been to china but calls china a sleeping giant. Napoleon a great conqueror who surely knows about military strategies and the might of various countries actually makes up "shit" about another country and calls it a sleeping giant. So i suppose he was talking crap about china and your opinion carries more weight than napoleon's?

talking about Russia. "Whoever control China will control the world." - Vladimir Lenin.

that's why white men, be it communist, capitalist, democrat or colonist had been persistently trying to undermine and subvert the powers of China ( ROC past and now PRC ) for over a century.

 

[The_Hypocrite]

Hi,,with regards to the USA and China 'war'. My take is where is the war going to be fought? On China's soil? In South Korea via North Korea? In the South China sea? on on the USA West Coast? In Hawaii?

The point is China has a huge population and it also has a huge aging population,,and 1 child policy is still in place. Now how big is the Chinese armed forces? will it be able to continue growing when the next generation is shrinking? Like singkie NS...during my time,,the amount of KPKB about not enough boys to serve, units being understrength etc etc..is China not having such problems? or will have? Children now are precious to the Chinese as each couple has only 1,,,and the Cantonese has a saying,,'Good sons do not become soldiers'. So if you are part of the chinese middle class,,will u let the kids join the armed forces? So is the Chinese armed forces that big with a shrinking next generation?

Now lets look at the Soviets in Afghanistan.. USSR has a border with Afghanistan and their troops just invade via the land route,,after several years,,the injured return to USSR being maimed, shell shock etc,,and it was bad press in the USSR,,,

Contrast that to China, with internet and an out spoken population not as docile as the Mao era,,will the chinese people really self sacrifice for the nation? 1/2 the rich in china are seeking overseas citizenship, the wounded etc will be bad press for the CCP,I do not think china has the internal capabilities like in the old days to fight a war indefinately like in the past.

Ok now on the more realistic side..if war was to happen, it will most likely be in the South China Sea,,between the 2 navies..USA if it gets it proper act together and continue to develop better weapons,,it will out fight the chinese easily,,but China will outfight all of the SEA countries combine,,they can easily run over the Philippines,,and Taiwan..but how will the USA get involve in this conflict and end up coming on top? It can defeat the Chinese navy easily for now,,,but in 10 years time,,it will be harder to defeat the Chinese,,

just my rants

yeah. and once the US suffer high death counts and the war drags on inconclusively, the American people will pressure their congressmen to bring their sons home. the congressmen in order to please the constituents will put heavy pressure on the government to reduce troops, reduce the scale of the war or bring the war to a termination. this scenario repeated several times for US over the last 60+ years from the Chinese civil war, Korean, Vietnam wars to the withdrawal of US troops from Iraq. the authoritarian PRC state can easily devote the entire country resources and efforts to fight the war to it's satisfactory conclusion with no timescale but US simply don't have the conditions to do it.

 

[yellowarse]

but how will the USA get involve in this conflict and end up coming on top? It can defeat the Chinese navy easily for now,,,but in 10 years time,,it will be harder to defeat the Chinese

That's why the odds of the US and China going to war are one in a million. It just doesn't make sense for the US to get involved in the South China Sea or Sea of Japan. Plus the two economies are so integrated (one lends the other huge sums of money, the other consumes all the stuff that this one makes) that even if there was a winner in the war, both would end up losers.

 

[watchman8]

japan was a backward nation ruled by a despot shogun who split japan into many parts rule by different damiyos but within 50yrs japan already a powerful east asian power that defeat tsar russia and went on to challenge the western nations for control of the far east. China only start her reform in the early 1980s, it only 30yrs since then. A nation which had atmost a million automobiles in the 80s, almost all owned by the State, to now a car sold every 30s to private owners. As long China dont make the same mistake as the japanese in the 1930s and bide her time, China can become the new superpower in another 30-50yrs which seriously most of us will not be around to see.

I think a better comparison is with Japan in the 80s, as colonial strategy is no longer used after WW2. China has industrialised and aged prematurely because of their very effective and brutal one child policy.

I would not place my bet on china becoming a super power in the next 100 years. And this view is shared with many of highly successful PRC friends I have. There is simply no example in the history of emergence of a super power (since the days of roman empire) where you see such a large proportion of a country's elites getting ready to abandon ship, if they have not already done so.

 

[Sunstreaker]

Hi,,with regards to the USA and China 'war'. My take is where is the war going to be fought? On China's soil? In South Korea via North Korea? In the South China sea? on on the USA West Coast? In Hawaii?

Contrast that to China, with internet and an out spoken population not as docile as the Mao era,,will the chinese people really self sacrifice for the nation? 1/2 the rich in china are seeking overseas citizenship, the wounded etc will be bad press for the CCP,I do not think china has the internal capabilities like in the old days to fight a war indefinately like in the past.

you are right. even authoritarian China need to listen to it's people today. the Chinese leaders also have to tackle very challenging economic, political and social issues in a constantly changing China and world. it's no longer the old Mao era. the Chinese will not commit to any war rashly without weighing the situation carefully.

 

[Agoraphobic]

Oh sure i am sure what you have written about the american ppl similarly applies to china. Did you know there's a difference between the chinese citizens and the ccp? Yet i believe so far you have made the chinese ppl all seemingly of 1 entity of 1 mind like the ccp leaders are somehow mind controlling all the citizens in china like some huge evil super computer brain controlling a bunch of robots.

Btw i find it strange that you think it's perfectly all right for the US to sabotage other nations surrounding it so that americans can maintain their standard of living but if china were to do the same. Oh that's evil! Yet when americans do it perfectly fine. Mind explaining to me why do you think in this manner and pls don't deny it.


Oh serious? The americans all know how to act when americans are known as one of the dumbest people in the world? Chinese ppl also know how to act what. The tiananmen incident and the incidents on ccp corruption being exposed are well known yet if i were to ask you you would somehow say chinese citizens are all robots correct?

Difference between the Chinese ppl and the CCCP. Oh yes, I am sure individualism exists there too, but they (the people) don't seem to make it felt. There aro no known independent publications, and the state controls the reins for internet use.

Why do you say about what I think? I may be wrong. USA has already openly exerted its influence on lesser countries, right or wrong it has done it, Let's wait for China to do it. Let's wait.

Americans are the dumbest people? Then why are so many Chinese (and others) students trying to get to US Universities? Aiyah, don't talk cock lah. I have yet to see any other country produce a TV game show that equals the intellectual level of Jeopardy. Americans are a people who are able to laugh at themselves and take a joke on them like gentlemen, unlike others who get all agitated and go balllistec when the joke's on them. Video cameras have been available to all peoples in the industrialized world for a few decades already, why is it only USA has a national funniest video show? They may not have done everything to e everyone's liking, but they've done what a leader to the world needs to be done. In this, China still has a long way to go. But I am glad she is working on it.

Cheers!

 

[watchman8]

I concur that the communist system does deny certain freedoms to the people but hey let's be honest. It also occurs right here. In fact there are less freedoms in singapore in some aspects compared to china and this country isn't communist. It's the same in the US and even india. These are democracies only in name but they actually deny many individual rights even in the US. I'm not really sure about permananent underclass but hey comeon. There are poor people in every country even the US. In the US the black people have traditionally been poor for generations ever since they were slaves. Isn't that an underclass? The rich in the US do steal from the poor if you want to put it that way.

I do believe that there are actually many china ppl returning to china. Also comeon china still has 3-4x the population of the USA and you're talking about declining population? If we followed your line of thinking countries like japan and germany must be really struggling since they have much smaller populations and they aren't reproducing fast enough and many european countries have many muslim immigrants on top of that.

See the parts of your statements that i have highlighted in red? Yup your opinions and you are entitled to them but might i add you're actually painting a very negative and bleak picture too early.

Dude, this is merely an academic discussion on China's future, not your spouse. Why the emotional rant?

I formed my opinion on China over 2 decades, from believe that it was going to rise up since the 1980s, to getting really exciting, and now feeling that it has passed its peak. I have travelled and worked in a number of countries, including China, US and Europe, and have discussions over the years with people from all walks of life from these countries. So this is not an impression of China from a laptop or as a tourist.

I have laid out my thoughts briefly because this is just an informal online forum, not a place to present any full thesis. No one is forcing it down your throat. If you like, keep this discussion and relook at it 5, 10, 15, 20 years from now and see if it makes sense. Either way, it will be a great learning experience if you keep an open mind.

You should go read up more on the impact of aging population, brain drain and such. You should also read up more on definition of superpower. Historians and political scientists have already extensively covered this topic. If you don't like to read the boring literature, perhaps you can get the CCTV production "Rise of the Great Powers". I think there is English subtitle, though the Chinese narration will give you a slightly different insight.

 

[watchman8]

Difference between the Chinese ppl and the CCCP.

sorry to correct you. It is usually referred to as CCP (Chinese Communist Party).

CCCP stands for Soyuz Sovyetskikh Sotsialistichestikh Respublic, the defunct soviet union.

 

[Agoraphobic]

I'm not getting personal at all but let's be honest we have to be responsible for terminology used. Like the way you put how china will not be accepted by the world unless it changes its ways. Hey comeon why do you write like this? The world isn't USA and only the US and some western nations aren't happy with the way china runs things. China runs things like how many nations run them. Even india which claims to be a democracy has a pretty authoritarian rule for eg. You see if you aren't careful or you use your terminology carelessly then i would need to question you about it.

It's good you think the US sucks for accepting saudi arabia i'll not question if it's genuine or not. The thing is when you start discussing about morality about how upright the US is well that isn't true at all like the case of saudi arabia where the US is willing to over look their draconian laws and embrace them as a friend simply because they have oil. That's isn't moral at all isn't it. Therefore to argue it from a moralistic viewpoint sounds rather silly.

As for the space station issue. OK maybe china doesn't have the technology to offer so they weren't invited but have you thought about this? Why don't they have the tech? Cos they just started space exploration. Correct? Do you agree? If they have just started it of course they wouldn't have anything new to offer. They would need to have a few more yrs of experience in space exploration before they can create new space technology. Agree? Yet remember what you were mocking china about? You were mocking china about using space exploration as a means of national pride and not for the good of mankind. Do you remember that? OK but here's the paradox. How in the hell do you expect china to bring anything new to the table like the Salyut rockets if they don't have their own space exploration. How?

You always seem to somehow totally go off tangent from the topic or like totally change the stance of your argument. Like you claim china has nothing new to offer for the space station. Well yeah how could they when they have just only recently reached the moon while US has done that 50 yrs ago. Then yet in your earlier post you were mocking china for doing this moon landing for the sake of national pride and yet in the post i am quoting you claim china has nothing new to offer thus the paradox.

Ok. Let's not launch missiles at each other. For a start, I may mock any country, nationality, religion, not for what they are but for the ethics they may have overlooked. I do not mock PRC for the efforts they are making, I think it is better than not doing anything about it. If US has gone to the moon, Russia has pioneered space, PRC should be up there too. Someday, generations from now, Earth Ship will be composed of al nations on the planet, that way, all the struggles and rivalry existing today will come to globally benefit ALL peoples on earth. That's how I hope our species one day will become. Inter-country rivalry will only exist in World Cup, I hope.

I have cited (or singled-out) the US as a good example because at the end of WW2, they were the victors and the world's policies and developmetn was shaped largely by their corporate interests and their idea of democracy and Christianity. It didn't not fit all models and today we have woken up to it. They have started to realize that too. With the age of the internet, information gets transferred all over the world, good for most bad for some, The good is likely to prevail.

Cheers!

 

[Agoraphobic]

sorry to correct you. It is usually referred to as CCP (Chinese Communist Party).

CCCP stands for Soyuz Sovyetskikh Sotsialistichestikh Respublic, the defunct soviet union.

Thanks for the correction, CCP is Chinese Capitalist Party ya?

Cheers!

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

Difference between the Chinese ppl and the CCCP. Oh yes, I am sure individualism exists there too, but they (the people) don't seem to make it felt. There aro no known independent publications, and the state controls the reins for internet use.

Why do you say about what I think? I may be wrong. USA has already openly exerted its influence on lesser countries, right or wrong it has done it, Let's wait for China to do it. Let's wait.

Americans are the dumbest people? Then why are so many Chinese (and others) students trying to get to US Universities? Aiyah, don't talk cock lah. I have yet to see any other country produce a TV game show that equals the intellectual level of Jeopardy. Americans are a people who are able to laugh at themselves and take a joke on them like gentlemen, unlike others who get all agitated and go balllistec when the joke's on them. Video cameras have been available to all peoples in the industrialized world for a few decades already, why is it only USA has a national funniest video show? They may not have done everything to e everyone's liking, but they've done what a leader to the world needs to be done. In this, China still has a long way to go. But I am glad she is working on it.

Cheers!

OMG. Americans aren't the smartest they are pretty dumb. Have you ever watched those vids where they don't even know any other country in the world? I'm not talking cock at all.

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Why how many countries tv game shows have you actually watched? I would fanthom probably less than 10 but hey there's your conclusion.

What does laughing at oneself have to do with intellectual capabilities? You're really odd you start making up all of these silly assumptions like game shows ability to laugh at oneself and only americans are capable of doing that that have nothing to do with the discussion. What exactly has america done to be considered a "leader" of the world? Make game shows like jeopardy and laugh at oneself?


Back to the individualism in china. Hey of course they have individualism in china. Yeah their govt is kind of repressive in that respect but so is singapore. What were you driving at again?

If you want to talk about influence on smaller countries oh china has influenced many countries. Japan, korea, vietnam, thailand, singapore. Oh yeah i can bet you're somehow going to dismiss that but the writing that japanese ppl use those are chinese characters. I'm not going to go into length about the other countries i mentioned but hey i have proven you wrong when you say only the US has influenced "lesser countries" how you didn't mention but in any case proven you wrong.

 

[watchman8]

That's why the odds of the US and China going to war are one in a million. It just doesn't make sense for the US to get involved in the South China Sea or Sea of Japan. Plus the two economies are so integrated (one lends the other huge sums of money, the other consumes all the stuff that this one makes) that even if there was a winner in the war, both would end up losers.

it makes a lot of sense for US to stick her fingers into East Asia disputes.

There could be many reasons why US wants to remain the sole superpower. One of which is probably related to the status of USD as reserve currency. If RMB reaches the tipping point of becoming global reserve currency, then the days of using USD as indirect global tax is over. Which bully likes to lose his alpha dog status and benefits?

My view from watching past 1 year development is that the US government saw an opportunity to ally with china's neighbours because of the bullying stance that China's leadership has been exhibiting in recent years.
The entire ASEAN (except Cambodia), India and Japan have shifted to US side. There is no contest for any maritime war, and no one is that stupid to want to send ground troops into China. Full control the air and sea around China is already a major victory.

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

Dude, this is merely an academic discussion on China's future, not your spouse. Why the emotional rant?

I formed my opinion on China over 2 decades, from believe that it was going to rise up since the 1980s, to getting really exciting, and now feeling that it has passed its peak. I have travelled and worked in a number of countries, including China, US and Europe, and have discussions over the years with people from all walks of life from these countries. So this is not an impression of China from a laptop or as a tourist.

I have laid out my thoughts briefly because this is just an informal online forum, not a place to present any full thesis. No one is forcing it down your throat. If you like, keep this discussion and relook at it 5, 10, 15, 20 years from now and see if it makes sense. Either way, it will be a great learning experience if you keep an open mind.

You should go read up more on the impact of aging population, brain drain and such. You should also read up more on definition of superpower. Historians and political scientists have already extensively covered this topic. If you don't like to read the boring literature, perhaps you can get the CCTV production "Rise of the Great Powers". I think there is English subtitle, though the Chinese narration will give you a slightly different insight.

I'm not really emotional but just pointing out your biasness and how you use your words. There's nothing wrong with that.

Oh ok so you have discussions with many people from many countries but so far you have not given any strong reasons to support your conclusions. Another forummer i think his nick is yellowarse commented that you were unduly pesmesstic. You see there is a difference between one's opinion and strong reasoning to come to a conclusion. So far everything you have written is just simply based on your opinion. Nope no strong reasoning to actually further your opinions. Might i add that unless you are a fortune teller with true supernatural powers no one can predict the future.


That's right it's an informal forum but the fact of the matter is if you want your opinions to stand out from the rest and to be taken seriously you need to have the evidence and the research to back it up. The way you're telling me to relook at this thread yrs from now makes it seem like your hypothesis will definitely be correct. Comeon there's no need to be so arrogant. You seriously cannot believe you can actually predict the future.

Sure we all know about aging populations, brain drains and so on. Many first world nations have aging populations. China's aging population isn't as bad as say germany's or japan's or the US. What does reading up on the definition of superpower have to do with you predicting that china will fall spectacularly? As you put it "japan on steroids".

Tell you what everyone makes predictions on everything. From football matches for example to countries presidents and so on. Let's take football matches for eg. Say 2 english teams maybe Man U vs tottenham. Says a sports analyst makes a prediction on which of these 2 teams will win and these types of ppl usually watch many football matches and have lots of info of the teams involved but hey the point is this. They do get it wrong and right sometimes but nobody treats them will they are some sort of Nostradamus nor do they behave like they are one. My point is this. You shouldn't act like you are some sort of modern day Nostradamus and actually think you are going to be correct. Even professional analysts and economists have gotten things wrong so i just find it odd that you think you're definitely going to be correct.

 

[Agoraphobic]

Ok.

OMG. Americans aren't the smartest they are pretty dumb. Have you ever watched those vids where they don't even know any other country in the world? I'm not talking cock at all.

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Why how many countries tv game shows have you actually watched? I would fanthom probably less than 10 but hey there's your conclusion.

What does laughing at oneself have to do with intellectual capabilities? You're really odd you start making up all of these silly assumptions like game shows ability to laugh at oneself and only americans are capable of doing that that have nothing to do with the discussion. What exactly has america done to be considered a "leader" of the world? Make game shows like jeopardy and laugh at oneself?


Back to the individualism in china. Hey of course they have individualism in china. Yeah their govt is kind of repressive in that respect but so is singapore. What were you driving at again?

If you want to talk about influence on smaller countries oh china has influenced many countries. Japan, korea, vietnam, thailand, singapore. Oh yeah i can bet you're somehow going to dismiss that but the writing that japanese ppl use those are chinese characters. I'm not going to go into length about the other countries i mentioned but hey i have proven you wrong when you say only the US has influenced "lesser countries" how you didn't mention but in any case proven you wrong.

Ok. Let's take a look at some of the "knowlegdge" publications and media that are commonly known.

Encyclopaedia Brittanica, National Geographic, Webster's, Time, Newsweek, Popular Mechanics, Discovery, Smithsonian, McGraw-Hill, not to mention the numerous dalies like New York Times, Washington Post and other specialized topics publications. With all these piblications and literary works, you still call USA dumb? You should start rubbing shoulders with a different bunch of apes.

As for US influence, look at the number of people who work for US corporations, the word globalization largely came about because of companies llike P&G, 3M, Boeing, And how many people over the world consider the following as staples - Subway, McDonald's, Starbucks. And as for culture, Rock and Roll, Rap, Jazz, Breakdance, Disco? Levi's? And our kids, they all know what are Hershey's, M&Ms, Snickers. Just to name a miniscule fraction of US innfluence, and what about Marlboro? Jah, take a trip to USA when you can, rent a car (its cheap) and drive across a few states, East. West, ot doen't matter, then come back and tell me what greatness is! It is no wonder that the US exerts influnence on the rest of the world.

China, Japan, India, Thailand, have all influenced neighbojurs in the past. But for the present, the behemoth is the USA. You will even find Starbucks in the Imperial Forbidden City!

Cheers!