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Assisted dying: Doctors to be paid $1087 to perform procedure, starting next month​

Henry Cooke15:42, Oct 12 2021


The Government have announced the final details of how euthanasia will work in New Zealand when it becomes legal on November 7.

The law change was spurred by ACT MP David Seymour’s members’ bill and a referendum at the 2020 election, where the option to legalise assisting dying won 65 per cent of the vote.

Strict guidelines surround the procedure. People who wish to end their life under the law must be terminally ill and likely to die within the next six months.

They must be in an advanced state of irreversible decline and must be undergoing “unbearable” suffering. And they must be mentally able enough to make an informed decision.

Those who apply for assisted dying need two medical practitioners to agree that the person is eligible under the strict criteria. If there is any uncertainty about their capacity, a psychiatrist must assess their competency.

Strict safeguards surround the procedure.


Strict safeguards surround the procedure.

The Ministry of Health must be informed of anyone who undergoes assisted dying, with a special review committee keeping track.

An official notice has been gazetted setting out a price schedule for the practice, including what medical practitioners will be paid by the Government for performing the procedure – $1087.20.


Other fees can be paid to those involved in assisted dying services, including psychiatrists who can be called upon to declare that the person requesting assisted dying is of sound mind and is not being pressured to do so.

Travelling costs are also included and are likely to be needed - a February survey suggested only about a third of medical practitioners were planning on offering assisted dying services.

Health Minister Andrew Little announced the membership of the committee who will review reports of those undergoing assisted dying: Dr Dana Wesnley, a medical ethicist, Beleinca Close, a health practitioner, and Dr Jane Greville, a medical practitioner practising end-of-life-care.

“This independent review mechanism is one of the many safeguards put in place to ensure the service is operating in line with strict criteria set out by the Act,” Little said.

Health Minister Andrew Little has announced the final details of the process.

ROBERT KITCHIN/Stuff
Health Minister Andrew Little has announced the final details of the process.

“The other body required under the legislation, the Support and Consultation for End of Life in New Zealand group, or SCENZ, was appointed in August. Its responsibilities include maintaining a list of health practitioners providing assisted-dying services, and helping develop and oversee standards of care.”
Little said the funding was key to make sure the service was accessible, and for most people would be free.

“We expect that in most circumstances, these services will be provided in the community and will be free for people who meet the strict eligibility criteria,” Little said.

“Medical and nurse practitioners who provide care as part of the assisted-dying service will be paid for their work and for their travel costs.”


ACT’s End of Life Choice spokeswoman Brooke van Velden welcomed the news.

“On November 7, New Zealanders will be able to access the End of Life Choice Act, with those who are suffering able to end their lives in peace and dignity surrounded by loved ones,” she said.

“We say that a society should be judged by how it treats its most vulnerable. Very soon our country will give those who face terrible suffering at the end of their life compassion and choice. It will be a good day to be a Kiwi.”
 

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Assisted dying: Doctors to be paid $1087 to perform procedure, starting next month​

Henry Cooke15:42, Oct 12 2021


The Government have announced the final details of how euthanasia will work in New Zealand when it becomes legal on November 7.

The law change was spurred by ACT MP David Seymour’s members’ bill and a referendum at the 2020 election, where the option to legalise assisting dying won 65 per cent of the vote.

Strict guidelines surround the procedure. People who wish to end their life under the law must be terminally ill and likely to die within the next six months.

They must be in an advanced state of irreversible decline and must be undergoing “unbearable” suffering. And they must be mentally able enough to make an informed decision.

Those who apply for assisted dying need two medical practitioners to agree that the person is eligible under the strict criteria. If there is any uncertainty about their capacity, a psychiatrist must assess their competency.

Strict safeguards surround the procedure.


Strict safeguards surround the procedure.

The Ministry of Health must be informed of anyone who undergoes assisted dying, with a special review committee keeping track.

An official notice has been gazetted setting out a price schedule for the practice, including what medical practitioners will be paid by the Government for performing the procedure – $1087.20.


Other fees can be paid to those involved in assisted dying services, including psychiatrists who can be called upon to declare that the person requesting assisted dying is of sound mind and is not being pressured to do so.

Travelling costs are also included and are likely to be needed - a February survey suggested only about a third of medical practitioners were planning on offering assisted dying services.

Health Minister Andrew Little announced the membership of the committee who will review reports of those undergoing assisted dying: Dr Dana Wesnley, a medical ethicist, Beleinca Close, a health practitioner, and Dr Jane Greville, a medical practitioner practising end-of-life-care.

“This independent review mechanism is one of the many safeguards put in place to ensure the service is operating in line with strict criteria set out by the Act,” Little said.

Health Minister Andrew Little has announced the final details of the process.

ROBERT KITCHIN/Stuff
Health Minister Andrew Little has announced the final details of the process.

“The other body required under the legislation, the Support and Consultation for End of Life in New Zealand group, or SCENZ, was appointed in August. Its responsibilities include maintaining a list of health practitioners providing assisted-dying services, and helping develop and oversee standards of care.”
Little said the funding was key to make sure the service was accessible, and for most people would be free.

“We expect that in most circumstances, these services will be provided in the community and will be free for people who meet the strict eligibility criteria,” Little said.

“Medical and nurse practitioners who provide care as part of the assisted-dying service will be paid for their work and for their travel costs.”


ACT’s End of Life Choice spokeswoman Brooke van Velden welcomed the news.

“On November 7, New Zealanders will be able to access the End of Life Choice Act, with those who are suffering able to end their lives in peace and dignity surrounded by loved ones,” she said.

“We say that a society should be judged by how it treats its most vulnerable. Very soon our country will give those who face terrible suffering at the end of their life compassion and choice. It will be a good day to be a Kiwi.”
Wow!

I think might be time for me to migrate to NZ to specialize in medical assistance in dying.

Is medical cannabis also legal in NZ? Would be a good synergistic practice. I will prescribe medical cannabis to relieve pain and suffering before we can administer the medication to assist in death finally.
 

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Thanks Sam. Gave me an idea. I will look into the MAID side of medical practice in Canada see how.
 

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Wow!

I think might be time for me to migrate to NZ to specialize in medical assistance in dying.

Is medical cannabis also legal in NZ? Would be a good synergistic practice. I will prescribe medical cannabis to relieve pain and suffering before we can administer the medication to assist in death finally.

There were two referendums tabled at the last election. One was assisted dying which was passed with 65% approval.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_New_Zealand_euthanasia_referendum

The other was the legalisation of Cannabis which was defeated by a narrow margin.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_New_Zealand_cannabis_referendum
 

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I will definitely put my hand up to be euthanized if the situation permits. I'd like to go the same time as my dog. :biggrin:
 

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Assisted dying: Doctors to be paid $1087 to perform procedure, starting next month​

Henry Cooke15:42, Oct 12 2021


The Government have announced the final details of how euthanasia will work in New Zealand when it becomes legal on November 7.

The law change was spurred by ACT MP David Seymour’s members’ bill and a referendum at the 2020 election, where the option to legalise assisting dying won 65 per cent of the vote.

Strict guidelines surround the procedure. People who wish to end their life under the law must be terminally ill and likely to die within the next six months.

They must be in an advanced state of irreversible decline and must be undergoing “unbearable” suffering. And they must be mentally able enough to make an informed decision.

Those who apply for assisted dying need two medical practitioners to agree that the person is eligible under the strict criteria. If there is any uncertainty about their capacity, a psychiatrist must assess their competency.

Strict safeguards surround the procedure.


Strict safeguards surround the procedure.

The Ministry of Health must be informed of anyone who undergoes assisted dying, with a special review committee keeping track.

An official notice has been gazetted setting out a price schedule for the practice, including what medical practitioners will be paid by the Government for performing the procedure – $1087.20.


Other fees can be paid to those involved in assisted dying services, including psychiatrists who can be called upon to declare that the person requesting assisted dying is of sound mind and is not being pressured to do so.

Travelling costs are also included and are likely to be needed - a February survey suggested only about a third of medical practitioners were planning on offering assisted dying services.

Health Minister Andrew Little announced the membership of the committee who will review reports of those undergoing assisted dying: Dr Dana Wesnley, a medical ethicist, Beleinca Close, a health practitioner, and Dr Jane Greville, a medical practitioner practising end-of-life-care.

“This independent review mechanism is one of the many safeguards put in place to ensure the service is operating in line with strict criteria set out by the Act,” Little said.

Health Minister Andrew Little has announced the final details of the process.

ROBERT KITCHIN/Stuff
Health Minister Andrew Little has announced the final details of the process.

“The other body required under the legislation, the Support and Consultation for End of Life in New Zealand group, or SCENZ, was appointed in August. Its responsibilities include maintaining a list of health practitioners providing assisted-dying services, and helping develop and oversee standards of care.”
Little said the funding was key to make sure the service was accessible, and for most people would be free.

“We expect that in most circumstances, these services will be provided in the community and will be free for people who meet the strict eligibility criteria,” Little said.

“Medical and nurse practitioners who provide care as part of the assisted-dying service will be paid for their work and for their travel costs.”


ACT’s End of Life Choice spokeswoman Brooke van Velden welcomed the news.

“On November 7, New Zealanders will be able to access the End of Life Choice Act, with those who are suffering able to end their lives in peace and dignity surrounded by loved ones,” she said.

“We say that a society should be judged by how it treats its most vulnerable. Very soon our country will give those who face terrible suffering at the end of their life compassion and choice. It will be a good day to be a Kiwi
A very idea to legalize in assisting the dying ones from suffering further. Should be done in Singapore as well. I had seen dying ones lying in the hospital suffering for months waiting for their last breathe. Their family became emotionally, mentally, physically & financially exhausted. If dying from illness is inevitable, it is better to die early than dragging the family into prolonged misery & suffering.
 
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There were two referendums tabled at the last election. One was assisted dying which was passed with 65% approval.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_New_Zealand_euthanasia_referendum

The other was the legalisation of Cannabis which was defeated by a narrow margin.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_New_Zealand_cannabis_referendum
Aiyah. Haha.

Both are legal in Canada.

In fact come 2023 Canada will expand the MAID program to include mental health reasons. So the market will get even bigger.

I dont think drs get paid that much for MAID services. Although I may be wrong. I honestly have not looked into the details yet.
 

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@Leongsam

https://www.albertadoctors.org/fee-navigator/hsc/03.7BB

Medical Assistance in Dying - Action Phase, full 15 minutes or major portion thereof for the first call when only one call is claimed​

NOTE:​

  1. May only be claimed for patient management for Medical Assistance in Dying.
  2. Services related to the Action Phase include: a. patient visit and assessment, b. Pharmacy visit, c. Communication with other health care providers, d. Review and administration of medication, e. Coordination of procedure, and f. Completion of appropriate documents and forms.
  3. All services must be provided in accordance with the CPSA standards for Medical Assistance in Dying.
  4. May not be claimed in addition to a visit, consultation or assessment.
  5. May not be claimed for travel time.
  6. The total time spent during the Action Phase may be calculated on a cumulative basis over the course of several hours or several days.
  7. The patient's record must include a detailed summary of all services provided including a summary of time spent per day per activity.
Category:V Visit
Base rate:$51.80

Basically $207.20 billable per hour.

https://www.albertadoctors.org/fee-navigator/hsc/03.7BC

Medical Assistance in Dying - Care After Death Phase, full 15 minutes or portion thereof for the first call when only one call is claimed​

NOTE:​

  1. May only be claimed for patient management for Medical Assistance in Dying.
  2. Services related to the Care After Death Phase include: a. Reporting of event; b. Post event arrangements and, c. Completion of appropriate documents and forms.
  3. All services must be provided in accordance with the CPSA standards for Medical Assistance in Dying.
  4. May not be claimed for travel time.
  5. The total time spent during the Care After Death Phase may be calculated on a cumulative basis over the course of several hours or several days.
  6. The patient's record must include a detailed summary of all services provided including a summary of time spent per day per activity.
Category:V Visit
Base rate:$51.80

Same billing rate.
https://www.albertadoctors.org/fee-navigator/hsc/03.7BA

Medical Assistance in Dying - Determination Phase, full 15 minutes or major portion thereof for the first call when only one call is claimed​

NOTE:​

  1. May only be claimed for patient management for Medical Assistance in Dying.
  2. Services related to the Determination Phase include: a. Patient assessment for Medical Assistance in Dying; b. Obtaining and reviewing medical records; c. Reviewing but not waiting for lab and other diagnostic information, and d. Completion of appropriate documents and forms.
  3. All services must be provided in accordance with the CPSA standards for Medical Assistance in Dying.
  4. May not be claimed in addition to a visit, consultation or assessment.
  5. May not be claimed for travel time.
  6. The total time spent during the Determination Phase may be calculated on a cumulative basis over the course of several hours or several days.
  7. The patient's record must include a detailed summary of all services provided including a summary of time spent per day per activity.
Category:V Visit
Base rate:$51.80

Again same rate.
 

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So for one patient to bill $1087 means spending about 5h15min in total for predetermination assessment actual administration and post death counseling.

Sounds like it could be realistic number of hours billed.
 

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So for one patient to bill $1087 means spending about 5h15min in total for predetermination assessment actual administration and post death counseling.

Sounds like it could be realistic number of hours billed.
For the record for in person Family Physician work the billing is exactly the same for 15 min.

So no difference really. Is MAID work less stressful? I can imagine involves more housecalls? Any legal issues?

Not sure. But there are certainly more lucrative work than MAID.
 

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Very small number of cases. I dont think a practice can be sustained doing this work alone.

https://globalnews.ca/news/5784651/alberta-challenges-medical-assistance-in-dying/

Medical assistance in dying (MAID) became legal on June 17, 2016.

Since that time, 775 people have chosen MAID in Alberta. Edmonton saw the largest number of patients with 283, slightly above Calgary’s 279. Eighty-seven people chose the program in the south zone, 77 in central Alberta and 50 in the north zone.


Yeah I don't think the demand will be that high. It takes a brave soul to choose to end it despite whatever suffering they are going through. Many will still hope for a miracle and of course there will be the religious ones that will leave it to God to decide when it ends.
 

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Shetland. 13 years. Not much longer a year or two at most. If we could go together it would be great.
You got medical reason to qualify for MAID? You seem pretty healthy.

Looks like needs more than one doctor assessment also likely need specialist to sign off as having a condition with no cure etc. Not easy to qualify.
 

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You got medical reason to qualify for MAID? You seem pretty healthy.

Looks like needs more than one doctor assessment also likely need specialist to sign off as having a condition with no cure etc. Not easy to qualify.

Old age? There's no cure for that as far as I know. Surely being old is a perfect reason to check out.
 
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