Chan Chun Sing Wants To Censor The Net

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Coffeeshop Chit Chat - Chan Chun Sing Wants To Censor The Net</TD><TD id=msgunetc noWrap align=right></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE class=msgtable cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="96%"><TBODY><TR><TD class=msg vAlign=top><TABLE border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%"><TBODY><TR class=msghead><TD class=msgbfr1 width="1%"></TD><TD><TABLE border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR class=msghead vAlign=top><TD class=msgF width="1%" noWrap align=right>From: </TD><TD class=msgFname width="68%" noWrap>Roboxxxxx <NOBR></NOBR></TD><TD class=msgDate width="30%" noWrap align=right>8:35 am </TD></TR><TR class=msghead><TD class=msgT height=20 width="1%" noWrap align=right>To: </TD><TD class=msgTname width="68%" noWrap>ALL <NOBR></NOBR></TD><TD class=msgNum noWrap align=right>(1 of 5) </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=msgleft rowSpan=4 width="1%"></TD><TD class=wintiny noWrap align=right>51789.1 </TD></TR><TR><TD height=8></TD></TR><TR><TD id=msgtxt_1 class=msgtxt>A very spirited discussion has followed his latest posting, which I was a part of.
http://www.facebook.com/ChanChunSin...22656#!/ChanChunSing.SG/posts/187626684622656

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  Chan Chun Sing
  Looking for ideas to promote responsible code of conduct for internet usage. Should new media be subject to same standards as conventional media? Is it possible to execute even? If not, how can we preserve the sanctity of new media as a trusted platform for collaboration/sharing?
  
  
  
  
  

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[glockman]

The nature of the beast that is the internet, is that it can't be tamed. Get used to it dumb MG. Don't like, don't read lor!

 

[steffychun]

two-star general wants to ask opinion? No thoughts of his own?

 

[lianbeng]

lianbeng says, "the more u censor the more people are curious to know what the hell r u hiding under carpet."

 

[mikec]

With all the BGs and MGs and Adms or what not in PAP and together with their non-transparent and no check and balance of our resources and also the way they talk and behaves its looking much like Burma and its junta.

 

[IR123]

Dear MG Chan,

The internet was formed in order to safeguard information flow. This is crucial if ever a country falls into the hands of a despot who seek to censor information to safeguard his reign.

Unfortunately because of this safeguard, it is not possible to ensure that a person post only information that can be verified by worthy by a government. Because the safeguard is really against such governments who seek to impose their views on the community.

However there are legal recourse if someone has slandered you. You can always take legal action against that person. The court can order the ISP to reveal the address of the person making the slander. Perhaps you should consider that instead of doing it at the government level.

As MG you are more aware of all these things than I or anyone in the internet can ever know. Particularly the subtleties of internet workings.

My suggestion is to make a simple declaration of the facts in your own blog and leave it as that. People are of all types. Those they support, they will say are good, humble, freedom fighters, contributors to singapore democracy even though the truth is that they are self-serving, exploitative of the public trust and did absolutely nothing for the people except to open their mouths. Similarly those who supported the PAP defended the MPs and Ministers' salaries, Mah Bow Tan's policies, Wong Kan Seng's competence, etc, etc. Thus you win some, you lose some.

All in, for all the faults of the internet, there are immense blessings in the freedom of expression.

 

[Narong Wongwan]

With all the BGs and MGs and Adms or what not in PAP and together with their non-transparent and no check and balance of our resources and also the way they talk and behaves its looking much like Burma and its junta.

More like North Korea....

 

[cooleo]

Chan Chun Singer want to be like PRChina and control Internet? Is this guy a moron?

 

[krafty]

he reminded me of a lasup ktv called mg in katong area. we are here to expose the lies leeported by the leeporters.:p

 

[seiyup warrior]

The NET is NEUTRAL said the late Teddy Kennedy,brother of President John Fitzgerald Kennedy.

For the past fifty odd years,háve we got responsilble fair and honest reporting from the local conventional print and visual media.Journalists and reporters from The Strais Times,LianheJia Pao MediaCorp TV are the most irresponsible people in Singapore society.Surveys conducted by these media are read with suspicion.Come on lets face it,if you are on Lee Kuan Yew's payroll,you cannot be a fair and honest person

Not that the conventional media is loosing it's grip, you talk of code of responsilble conduct.The NET is like a woman.It is something you live with it and can't live without it

 

[sirus]

Does MG stand for Mighty God? If so, how many are there in sinkie land?

 

[Varuna]

The internet and social media platform has played a crucial role in loosening the grip over what sort of information that the masses have or have no access to. It makes people more informed and less ignorant by feeding them with unbiased news and selectively undisclosed information from alternative sources. The internet is a monster that can make them busy, and they have lost the initiative in using it to their advantage in this GE. A spark can spread like wildfire. It's the internet war that they lost. I fear there may be something coming up to arrest this issue before the next GE. The more you hide, the lesser the space inside the wardrobe. Soon, either it will burst open when it has reached its maximum capacity or people will get curious when the wardrobe grew too much in size. Either way just won't work.

 

[longbow]

embrace or become irrelevant

 

[sirus]

The internet and social media platform has played a crucial role in loosening the grip over what sort of information that the masses have or have no access to. It makes people more informed and less ignorant by feeding them with unbiased news and selectively undisclosed information from alternative sources. The internet is a monster that can make them busy, and they have lost the initiative in using it to their advantage in this GE. A spark can spread like wildfire. It's the internet war that they lost. I fear there may be something coming up to arrest this issue before the next GE. The more you hide, the lesser the space inside the wardrobe. Soon, either it will burst open when it has reached its maximum capacity or people will get curious when the wardrobe grew too much in size. Either way just won't work.

Wow! Thinking about wardrope, remember in the 70's a Taiwan produce made of some filmsy steel frame with plastic covered around? I was wondering how to contain such a load? he..he...

 

[KNNBCCB]

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[Man On The Street]

“Looking for ideas to promote responsible code of conduct for internet usage. Should new media be subject to same standards as conventional media? Is it possible to execute even? If not, how can we preserve the sanctity of new media as a trusted platform for collaboration/sharing?”
“Sorry, maybe everyone is thinking abt censorship. This is not what I am looking for ideas. I am thinking how to protect the young and innocent from exploitation by the manipulators. Shld we allow the law to go after these pple by forcing them to come out from behind the screen?” - CCS

Maybe he is contemplating going the way of Korea which has a law that states that anyone going on the net to post something has to do it by revealing his real identity and not behind some pseudonym. This is to prevent any rumour mongering.

 

[Man On The Street]

CCS is thinking along these lines...

While governments around the world try to make sense of the internet and wonder how to curb some of its darker incarnations, all eyes should now be on South Korea, which is one of the first democracies planning to use the law to hold the internet to account.

Many believe that the government's attempt to impose rules on internet users will fail. What it is seeking to do is bring websites in line with traditional media: to make them accountable, subject to laws of libel and so forth.

This is a risky strategy for Seoul: if it fails, the government will face the kind of online rebellion that nearly ended the ruling government's tenure only a few months ago.

South Korea is possibly the most wired nation on Earth: 97% of South Korean households have high-speed broadband access. In the UK, by comparison, 35% of homes have no access to the web at all.

Bad manners

Some observers say this growth in internet access has brought out the worst in South Koreans.

"Internet behaviour in South Korea is somewhat of a low culture. I'm often disgusted or even offended by the manners on the net," says Dr Youngmi Kim, a professor of sociology and politics at the University of Edinburgh whose research is focusing on issues of governability in Korea, Taiwan and Japan. She is against any outright censorship, but would like to see some sort of campaign encouraging better web manners.
The South Korean government is ahead of her. Along with laws controlling internet postings, which are due to be passed in November, Seoul also plans to introduce internet etiquette and ethics lessons in schools this year for children aged seven and older.

The question is, can you police the internet? British MPs seem to think so. Members of the Commons select committee for culture, media and sport, which has made the case for centralising controls, say they want "a tighter form of self-regulation, under which the industry would speedily establish a self-regulatory body".

South Korea is going much further. Not only will all sites that publish news be liable to the same restrictions as newspapers, TV and radio, they will be answerable to a government regulatory body - the Korean Communications Standards Commission.

The rules extend beyond websites to individuals. All forum and chatroom users will be required to make verifiable real-name registrations, while internet companies will have to make their search algorithms public to improve "transparency". Most controversial of all, the commission will be given powers to suspend the publication of articles accused of being fraudulent or slanderous, for a minimum of 30 days. During this period the commission will then decide if an article that has been been temporarily deleted or flagged should be removed permanently.
However, Seoul's previous experience with such censorship suggest that unless the government hires thousands more people to staff the commission, which is already behind in processing some 2,000 internet-related objections, just addressing the initial complaints will be unworkable, untenable and unenforceable.

Professor Jonathan Zittrain, co-founder of Harvard's Berkman Centre for Internet & Society, says other aspects of the new laws are unworkable. "There are genuine worries about misinformation that can be spread online, but a regime of requiring real-name registrations for all message boards and chatooms would represent a sweeping law-enforcement effort - and one that could not be readily accomplished without filtering out overseas sites that decline to implement the requirement."

Jean K Min of OhmyNews International, South Korea's leading citizen-
journalist-based portal, says that the new controls smack of Big Brother. "The approval rating of president Lee fell below 20% after the fiasco of US beef imports and poor handling of other sensitive diplomatic issues. Many here suspect the ruling party lawmakers and government officials are actually trying to save the deeply unpopular government by intimidating netizens from posting free online opinions with a variety of new legislation and legal threats."

'Excessive emotional behaviour'

Myung-bak Lee, South Korea's president, defends the proposed measures as checks against "a society rampant with excessive emotional behaviour, disorderliness and rudeness". In a recent speech, he said: "We have to guard against 'infodemics,' a phenomenon in which inaccurate, false information is disseminated; prompting social unrest that spreads like an epidemic."
That speech followed internet-orchestrated protests in August that spilled over into candlelit rallies and vigils in protest at Seoul's decision to restart beef imports from the US. Composed mostly of the young, the protests emptied schools and colleges and brought cities to a standstill; many ended in violence.

The Seoul government blamed the disruption on rumours and lies spread by internet users. It went on to accuse internet service providers of failing to police the content they host and of providing a platform for hate, libellous claims and cyber-bullying.

Providers have heeded the warnings. Korea's biggest portal, Naver, says it will drop all its news output while its rival, Daum, has offered an olive branch to old media. Daum says it will share revenue from its banner advertisements on news stories with newspapers, TV and other media outlets providing the articles.

There is an irony in the fact that South Korea, with its focus on giving its citizens access to the high-speed internet, is now seeking to curb how its people use the internet. But will it stick?

 

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Coffeeshop Chit Chat - MG Chan wants to go after anon posters..</TD><TD id=msgunetc noWrap align=right></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE class=msgtable cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="96%"><TBODY><TR><TD class=msg vAlign=top><TABLE border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%"><TBODY><TR class=msghead><TD class=msgbfr1 width="1%"></TD><TD><TABLE border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR class=msghead vAlign=top><TD class=msgF width="1%" noWrap align=right>From: </TD><TD class=msgFname width="68%" noWrap>kojakbt_89_ <NOBR></NOBR></TD><TD class=msgDate width="30%" noWrap align=right>8:52 pm </TD></TR><TR class=msghead><TD class=msgT height=20 width="1%" noWrap align=right>To: </TD><TD class=msgTname width="68%" noWrap>ALL <NOBR></NOBR></TD><TD class=msgNum noWrap align=right>(1 of 4) </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=msgleft rowSpan=4 width="1%"></TD><TD class=wintiny noWrap align=right>51805.1 </TD></TR><TR><TD height=8></TD></TR><TR><TD id=msgtxt_1 class=msgtxt>Chan Chun Sing looking for ‘ideas’ to promote ‘responsible’ code of conduct for internet usage

May 29th, 2011 |

Author: Temasek Review |

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Chan Chun Sing

PAP Acting Minister for Community Development, Youth and Sports Major-General Chan Chun Sing is seeking ideas from netizens on promoting ‘responsible code of conduct for internet usage.’
In a posting on his Facebook yesterday, MG Chan wrote:
“Looking for ideas to promote responsible code of conduct for internet usage. Should new media be subject to same standards as conventional media? Is it possible to execute even? If not, how can we preserve the sanctity of new media as a trusted platform for collaboration/sharing?”
His posting sparked a flurry of comments from netizens who asked if he is considering internet censorship to which he replied:
“Sorry, maybe everyone is thinking abt censorship. This is not what I am looking for ideas. I am thinking how to protect the young and innocent from exploitation by the manipulators. Shld we allow the law to go after these pple by forcing them to come out from behind the screen?”
It is not known what MG Chan meant exactly by ‘protect the young and innocent from exploitation by the manipulators’ as he did not give any examples to illustrate his point.
MG Chan recently made a mountain of a molehill by denouncing netizens for spreading ‘rumors’ about his ‘association’ with the Lee family. A PAP member even lodged a police report against a blogger on the matter.
While MG Chan waxed lyrical about ‘responsible code of conduct’ on the internet, his fellow colleage Tin Pei Ling certainly does not think so.
Ms Tin’s Facebook has been flooded with trolls posting inflammatory and defamatory remarks about the opposition like the moniker ‘Valencia Orange’ whose writing style bears some similarities to that of YPAP leader and new citizen from India Sinha Shekhar.
‘Valencia Orange’ has called critics of Ms Tin as ‘DOGS’ and described WP leader Low Thia Kiang as a ‘teochew mafia boss.’
Despite being urged on by her supporters to delete these comments, Ms Tin (or Denise He?) refused to do so.
Here’s her reply:
“Now, having heard the arguments on both sides, I have decided to leave things be. Many of you have given me good advice – to take the good with the bad, and focus on doing my job well. Singapore is in a new phase – there are now more voices and more debate. It is a new environment that all of us have to learn to operate in.”
MG Chan should heed Ms Tin’s ‘advice’ and learn to operate in the ‘new’ environment where the state media no longer has a monopoly on information.

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