CCB poodles stopping SDP for revealing the truth about ISA!!!

[steffychun]

Shouldn't they also investigate the Board of J P Morgan for interfering in Singapore politics??


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J P Morgan discussed Singapore politics with Tan Jee Say

by Tan Jee Say on Thursday, October 6, 2011 at 9:13pm

J P Morgan Asia Investment Trust is based in London and is listed on the London Stock Exchange. It invests in Asian companies on behalf of its shareholders. Its Board of Directors visits Asia regularly to talk to policy makers, opinion leaders and others in order to update its understanding of the politics, the economy and companies of Asia. On Thursday 6 October 2011, the Board invited me to lunch to get to know me, my ideas and the changing politics in Singapore. The Directors showed keen interest in the underlying reasons for the growing support for opposition parties and the emergence of high quality opposition candidates. They wanted to know if more of these highly qualified individuals will surface in future elections. I told them that we are seeing more and more successful professionals and businessmen coming forth to volunteer their services and expertise in the various parties. The signs are pretty good and "good for Singapore", they nodded in agreement as I shook their hands to thank them for their interest in Singapore and the wonderful lunch they had hosted. (I actually didn't eat much as they kept me talking throughout and I had to fill my stomach elsewhere afterwards.)

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At lunch with the Directors of J P Morgan Asia Investment Trust - (Right to Left) Andrew Sykes, James Long
(Chairman), James Strachan, TJS, Dr Linda Yueh, Alun Evans and Ronald Gould.

Show off. He wasn't invited, he made them join him. Businesses do not care about politics of countries--look at the FDI flowing into Iraq, Afghanistan.

 

[Checker]

Most people have a sense of fairness and justice because it is programmed into our DNA. Even if only a few people have ever been arrested in this way, more and more may start feeling their pain (and be reminded of their own pain from some other injustice, whether from foreign competition or what not - the emotional mind works strangely). The forum taps into this emotion about fairness. Elites and family have multiple homes all over the world; their adversaries cannot come home.

The court of public opinion has now become bigger because of publicity from social, MSM. The police statement and VW's add fuel to fire. VW has little to loose and some to gain from this.

This issue is going to keep popping up. Authoritarian abuses, inequalities from mid-east to america is also drawing bigger and bigger following. With economic downturn coming again, trust will drop, pain increase.

 

[cleareyes]

VM has a mind of his own. He does not need anyone to do the thinking for him.

With such words and arrogance, no wonder SDP still is unable to cross the 40% mark.

 

[scroobal]

Father dealt with Ministers and PS and held his own. He was also very principled when he did not agree, something that VW picked up. I suspect that VW is under pressure from his supporters.

Hot blood in the veins. Should learn from his father on how to keep cool. Passion without timing is aesthetically unpleasing and not beneficial.

 

[scroobal]

I think that VW is the real thing but need alot of guidance. He occasionally tends to overstep when he lodged the complaint during the nomination day.

I used to think that VW was smart. Changed my opinion after he wrote nonsense and twist his words about TCB in support of TJS. Where is the integrity? He can support TJS by all means, after all they fought in the GE as a team. But there is no reason for him to slam TCB when it is clearly uncalled for.

And you are right, he is walking right into a trap. Good luck to him.

 

[scroobal]

You right on the first part about mentor but he would be a misfit with WP. He is very focused and direct without being confrontational. LTK is playing slow chess and getting result. I am hoping for a new party that have similar background as him - affluent yet socially conscious and prepared to roll up their sleeves to help the man on the street.

If he stays with SDP, only PAP and SDP supporters will rejoice.

Alternatively he stays as an Independent like Chiam. He will certainly in an SMC. He needs to lose the SDP baggage.

A pity VW has no mentor to guide him politically. With CSJ and SDP, you will not find a more fatal combination. If only he was in WP, I am sure VW would be more politically savvy.

GMS: Care to give us your expert opinion?

 

[scroobal]

These sessions are common. The Govt wants to portray itself as a democratic country to foreign investors who are only interested in profits. These are same chaps that will build factories in China, India, Phlippines, Indonesa etc and use Child labour without a worry in the world.

Shouldn't they also investigate the Board of J P Morgan for interfering in Singapore politics??


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J P Morgan discussed Singapore politics with Tan Jee Say

by Tan Jee Say on Thursday, October 6, 2011 at 9:13pm

J P Morgan Asia Investment Trust is based in London and is listed on the London Stock Exchange. It invests in Asian companies on behalf of its shareholders. Its Board of Directors visits Asia regularly to talk to policy makers, opinion leaders and others in order to update its understanding of the politics, the economy and companies of Asia. On Thursday 6 October 2011, the Board invited me to lunch to get to know me, my ideas and the changing politics in Singapore. The Directors showed keen interest in the underlying reasons for the growing support for opposition parties and the emergence of high quality opposition candidates. They wanted to know if more of these highly qualified individuals will surface in future elections. I told them that we are seeing more and more successful professionals and businessmen coming forth to volunteer their services and expertise in the various parties. The signs are pretty good and "good for Singapore", they nodded in agreement as I shook their hands to thank them for their interest in Singapore and the wonderful lunch they had hosted.

 

[scroobal]

The challenge is how to save VW from SDP. The question is does he want to be saved. The issue is that gay rights would not form any part of any other party's political agenda not matter how discreetly or covertly they try it. He is resolute and my sense is also very principled.

The parties are certainly not homophobic and very much inclusive but they are unlikely to commit on certain legislative matters to avoid voter backlash.

We got a plane with wings but no runway.

Dear Scroo

Discipline discipline instead of being emo. As it stands the investigation after a couple of coffee's might not amount to anything, perhaps a forgettable warning or two. But the DNA of SDP and its supporters have always been to over react and scream persecution, though in this case this would in my view be at best petty harassment.

Francis is 83 , and like Fong very resentful and angry about what they suffered. Fong especially because she fled and can't come back as did Francis. Their campaign seems to have take a new life with Malaysia's abolishment of the ISA and I suspect likewise the death penalty if Malaysia takes the lead in this area to.

These issues have for the SDP and its supporters become non negotiable, iconic, the government as it stands evil, etc etc. Really no discussion possible with many of them. I know I was at that forum to.
Locke

 

[scroobal]

By now you know that PAP sues rather than arrest. I am sure you realise that bankrupts can't stand for elections. Arresting a political opponent is a burdensome approach.

Arrest VW for speaking up for Francis Seow and Tang Fong Har? PAP wont be so stupid. Watch VW bites back!

 

[Ramseth]

There's nothing to arrest, charge or sue over speaking up for Francis, Fong Har & Co. 99.9% of Singapore either don't know who the hell are them or don't give damn. They're not vote threatening issues. VW if he wants to be in Parliament, he has to move away from SDP captive trap of such vote losing issues to vote winning issues.

Let's put it this way. People vote for their future. They don't vote to avenge the past especially for strangers.

 

[rainnix]

Teo Soh Lung
"It is unbelievable that MHA is again indulging in its favourite past time - wasting tax payers' money.

MHA called Mr Seow a "fugitive from justice". Yes, he is a fugitive because MHA and the PAP compelled him to become a fugitive.

Mr Seow contested the 1988 general election soon after his release from imprisonment under the ISA. He and his team nearly won the Eunos GRC. He secured a NCMP seat. But the PAP were afraid of Mr Seow and did not want him to take the seat in parliament.

The tax department was thus kept busy. It issued Mr Seow with numerous tax summonses. Whether Mr Seow would be able to clear those summonses if he was in Singapore remain a moot point. Parliament did not convene until Mr Seow was out of the country for heart treatment and did not return to contest the summonses.

MHA now classify Ms Tang Fong Har as a "foreign national." She is indeed a foreign national but MHA is responsible for that. Ms Tang said the Singapore Embassy in Hong Kong refused to renew her Singapore passport. It was clear from the embassy's conduct that Ms Tang would sooner or later, be deprived of her citizenship and become stateless.

Only the PAP and the MHA with their perverted sense of justice take pride in calling a citizen a foreign national and a fugitive from justice when it was their very actions that force a citizen to become a foreign national and a fugitive from justice."

 

[CannonFairy]

You know after reading all these nonsense by SDP, I have something good to say about CSJ, if you put him in comparison with Francis Seow.

Francis Seow RAN away, gain American citizenship but CSJ stood his ground till this day. Francis Seow was ElderLEE's blue-eye boy, Francis Seow probably helped ElderLee in certain ways and ElderLee rewarded him. What happened between them, we never know.

Both are cunning foxes. Now Francis Seow is leveraging on SDP to whack ElderLee. Ingenious. If you think about it.

 

[jw5]

The challenge is how to save VW from SDP. The question is does he want to be saved. The issue is that gay rights would not form any part of any other party's political agenda not matter how discreetly or covertly they try it. He is resolute and my sense is also very principled.

The one thing that VW needs to stop is being a "gay rights activist".
That will be the one thing that stonewalls his political career.
Don't have a problem with him being gay but big problem with him being a "gay rights activist".

 

[GoldenDragon]

You know after reading all these nonsense by SDP, I have something good to say about CSJ, if you put him in comparison with Francis Seow.

Francis Seow RAN away, gain American citizenship but CSJ stood his ground till this day. Francis Seow was ElderLEE's blue-eye boy, Francis Seow probably helped ElderLee in certain ways and ElderLee rewarded him. What happened between them, we never know.

Both are cunning foxes. Now Francis Seow is leveraging on SDP to whack ElderLee. Ingenious. If you think about it.

There is a big difference between the two. Give you a hint - why must one runroad and the other coping reasonably well even though got himself incarcerated, bankrupted etc and still 'fooling' around? He has expenses to foot and a family yo feed, and having led an above-average lifestyle while with NUS, his standard of living remains almost identical to the past. Strange?

 

[brocoli]

You know after reading all these nonsense by SDP, I have something good to say about CSJ, if you put him in comparison with Francis Seow.

Francis Seow RAN away, gain American citizenship but CSJ stood his ground till this day. Francis Seow was ElderLEE's blue-eye boy, Francis Seow probably helped ElderLee in certain ways and ElderLee rewarded him. What happened between them, we never know.

Both are cunning foxes. Now Francis Seow is leveraging on SDP to whack ElderLee. Ingenious. If you think about it.

Francis Seow is 83, him, CHiam, Chee, pple who cant win erection are irrelevant to SIngapore and my generation...

 

[brocoli]

Vincent Wijeysingha:

"And I returned home to the ludicrous news that the police are investigating the ISA forum yesterday. MHA is quoted as describing Mr Francis Seow as a "fugitive from justice" and Ms Tan Fong Har as a "foreign national". Let's see: Francis Seow went to Whitley Road Detention Centre to take instructions from his detained client, Teo Soh Lung, in1987 and was arrested and then held for 72 days and tortured. For no crime whatsoever. And HE's the fugitive from justice?? I was always aware that Teo Chee Hean had substandard English ad a poor grasp of logic but this is poor even for him.
And let's see some more: If Tan Fong Har is a foreign national, is it not because the government refuses to allow the renewal of her passport although she has never been tried and convicted in a court of law nor any evidence produced in 24 years since her arrest.

The police investigation of the event is designed to do two things: (a) intimidate the organisers and (b) belittle the words of the participants. Has this administration not learnt anything from the General Elections. People are weary of this ridiculous, ham-fisted, bullying style of government. We the organisers will not be intimidated and I daresay the participants' words will withstand the scrutiny of any inquiry, even one likely to be as incompetent as our police force is capable of mustering. Or perhaps they will torture us to produce a false confession? We will keep everyone on Facebook updated of the 'police investigation'; please copy to your own pages so that the government is not able to operate in secret the way it did with the detention of the 22 in 1987

People like Tan Wah Piow, Francis Seow, Goh Meng Seng, Wilfred Leung, James Gomez, Glenda Han, Vincent Wijeysingha and Tang Fong Har who choose to be based oversea are desserters and Traitors who choose to be based oversea should be barrred from erections..., there should be a residency requirement for contesting erections

I dun care how charismatic or powerful speakers Vincent Wijeysingha and Nicole Seah are, if they cant get themself electable by getting into the right party and behaving themself and notch get involved with sabo king Tan Jiak Sai then they are not offering me an alternative to PAP...

in other words they are useless to me, the electorate so they can go burn in hell for all I care...

Muhammad Faisal bin Abdul Manap may seem like your average loser, but he got elected!!! that is all that matter....!!!

 

[groinroot]

There is a big difference between the two. Give you a hint - why must one runroad and the other coping reasonably well even though got himself incarcerated, bankrupted etc and still 'fooling' around? He has expenses to foot and a family yo feed, and having led an above-average lifestyle while with NUS, his standard of living remains almost identical to the past. Strange?

Ha ha ha!
You hit the nail right on the head. I wonder how many got your hidden message.

 

[GoldenDragon]

Ha ha ha!
You hit the nail right on the head. I wonder how many got your hidden message.

Not easy to miss my message. Almost crystal clear. That's life - one has to take care of his own interests. Even at the expense of one's conscience. Funny, image of GMS springs up almost immediately.

 

[scroobal]

It's the other way around. One is still a thorn, the other is sterile and completely ineffective. Guess which one.

You know after reading all these nonsense by SDP, I have something good to say about CSJ, if you put him in comparison with Francis Seow.Francis Seow RAN away, gain American citizenship but CSJ stood his ground till this day. Francis Seow was ElderLEE's blue-eye boy, Francis Seow probably helped ElderLee in certain ways and ElderLee rewarded him. What happened between them, we never know.Both are cunning foxes. Now Francis Seow is leveraging on SDP to whack ElderLee. Ingenious. If you think about it.

 

[Forvendet]

Francis Seow is 83, him, CHiam, Chee, pple who cant win erection are irrelevant to SIngapore and my generation...

Well said right to the point. Past generation is past. Those who still can't win elections are to be goners. There's no point CSJ standing his ground, he still can't win elections, what for? You want an armed revolution? SDP under CSJ supports causes that the majority of Singaporeans don't suppport, that's why they always lost. That's democracy. WP can address and cater to issues that many Singaporeans are concerned with, that's why they can win some.