Catherine Lim - The two main reasons behind the the decline of the PAP

aurvandil

Alfrescian
Loyal
Joined
Jan 25, 2010
Messages
3,017
Points
48
Since GE 2011 and PE 2011, there have been many studies done on the reasons for the PAP's decline and what is likely to happen. Most of these are quantitative in nature. In her acceptance speech at the recent TOC awards, Catherine Lim gave the best qualitative assessment which I have ever read on why the PAP is declining. It ties up all the loose ends and presents a compelling case of what is going to happen next. All in all, a truly worthwhile read:

http://theonlinecitizen.com/2012/01/catherine-lim-my-best-hope-lies-in-the-young-singaporeans/

Going further in the deliberations, I am now going to suggest that the main reason for the obvious effectiveness of the fatigue factor was the concurrence of two special happenings, unique to GE 2011, which interacted to produce an effect that neither on its own could have achieved.

The first was the emergence of a group of voters who, by virtue of a natural restlessness and impatience were the most likely group to turn PAP Fatigue into an active fighting force . These were the young voters, in their twenties and thirties, many of them first-time voters, with the natural tendency of youth to get easily bored and start clamouring for change.

Thus even the mere fact of the PAP’s very long presence in the political scene would have been enough for the fatigue factor to kick in and make a difference in votes. But what seriously aggravated this fact was the perception of the young voters, accompanied by strong resentment, that the PAP government had become totally indifferent to their needs and aspirations.

They were, in the typical language of youth, ‘pissed off’ by certain well-known attributes of the PAP which ,though generally detestable, were especially repugnant to the young.

These included the overbearing, intolerant and patronizing approach that was so stifling to their vibrant and creative energies; the elitism, superiority and highhandedness that offended their youthful ideals of equality and fair play; the inflexibility, stiffness, and formality that were at odds with the casual, spontaneous, friendly manner that they favoured.

If additionally, this group shared the overall voter perception that the PAP, despite its claims of high standards of leadership, was becoming too lax, complacent and arrogant , and losing touch with the common people, then the hostility would have been that much greater.

The second mentioned special happening in GE 2011 was the emergence of a force which provided exactly the hope that these disaffected young voters needed, exactly the channel for their blocked and frustrated energies. This was the amazingly revitalized Workers’ Party, the clear star of the opposition.

It quickly came to represent for them all that the PAP lacked: a simple, casual, unassuming style that dispensed with pomp and ceremony ( there was a post-election picture in the newspapers showing the party chairman in a Hawaiian shirt riding a bicycle and another one of him conferring with his new constituents in a Spartan setting of basic furniture set up in an HDB void deck); a bold, creative flair for new ideas, as seen in the party slogan of ‘A First World Parliament’ that clearly resonated with these young voters ; a calm dignity throughout the hurly burly of the hustings, which must have impressed them deeply because it contrasted so sharply with the shocking display of vindictive anger by a senior PAP member.

Perhaps the most attractive attribute of the Workers’ Party for these young Singaporeans was something that the PAP had routinely and contemptuously dismissed as irrelevant in leadership, but which the young, in their media-saturated world, prize highly – charisma. A newcomer in the Workers’Party, was quickly seen to embody this quality: he had not only the dazzling credentials of a top academic, entrepreneur and CEO, but also the glamorous good looks of a star ( A female newspaper columnist wrote gushingly about his choice of a certain style of shirt, showing him in three pictures smiling like a true celebrity basking in the adulation of fans)

In short, these young voters saw the PAP as old , dull and stale, belonging to the past, and the Worker’s Party as new, bright and hip, pointing to the future.

The prominence of this group of voters on the electoral stage may irritate some PAP sympathisers and provoke this question: Why bother about them when they do not, after all, comprise the majority, and, in any case, will soon outgrow the immaturity of youth?

The conclusion which the PAP leaders have probably already reached is this : this group of voters cannot be ignored; on the contrary, they must be singled out for special attention and wooing, for numerous compelling reasons.

Firstly, they will be active voters for a long time to come, and must therefore be quickly weaned from their present hostility. Secondly, they are the young citizens, in an ageing population, whom the government will have to depend on for the country’s future development, and who must therefore not feel alienated enough to want to leave the country and emigrate. Thirdly, they belong to the increasingly powerful world of the Internet and the social media, which no government in the world can afford to ignore. Fourthly, because in GE 2011, they clearly had the support of a large number of older voters who could easily identify with them, they might be setting a dangerous precedent – starting a trend of strong generational unity within the anti-PAP camp that could only work to its advantage.

Lastly, and perhaps most significantly, the exuberance, boldness and defiance of the young voters, operating in the new media world of instant, dazzling communication, could be infectious enough to have an unstoppable snowball effect, engulfing other groups of voters, including even those normally sympathetic towards the PAP. In fact, something like this could already have happened, as may be inferred by the 40% vote against the PAP in the General Election swelling to an alarming 65% vote against the PAP-endorsed candidate in the Presidential Election some months later.

In short, possibly for the first time in Singapore’s electoral history, a small core of young voters had provided the sparks that started a fire that could set off a whole conflagration if not stopped.
 
2 reasons...................

more old PAP voters passed away....................more anti-PAP voters old enough to vote.............
 
I don't think the PAP really wanted to change whatever formula it has been using and found to be working all these years. That is until the stark reality of GE2011.

By then, even if it wanted to change, it was unable to cast away its old ways, being so fossilized from hubris,complacency and arrogance.

Empires decline, even the mighty Roman Empire and the British Empire. So RIP PAP.
 
I don't think the PAP really wanted to change whatever formula it has been using and found to be working all these years. That is until the stark reality of GE2011.

By then, even if it wanted to change, it was unable to cast away its old ways, being so fossilized from hubris,complacency and arrogance.

Empires decline, even the mighty Roman Empire and the British Empire. So RIP PAP.

Good observation point, kingrant. And the one reason why real changes would not be forthcoming is because LKY is still in charge. And as long as he's alive, he will still be in charge. After he dies, there will be a period of chaos and confusion because the remaining Cabinet would not know what to do as they had never needed to make any choices before since everything is decided by LKY. But they will eventually find their own feet and their way, after which real changes will be made. For now, all we will see are just the wayangs as in the salary review committee.
 
Agree with Kingrant and you. Its the formula and the old man. One of the poignant indicator is the pre-cabinet meetings held just before actual cabinet meeting. The absentee for the first is the old man when it was first conceived. They wanted to get their act together before facing the old man. If you guys have the time, try and read the "Hard Truth" again and you will find how evaded key questions. One was obstacles placed for someone to contest elections and the other is gini coefficient score. Both are empirical fact, we have the highest deposit requiment to stand for elections and other is a internationally recognised index.
Good observation point, kingrant. And the one reason why real changes would not be forthcoming is because LKY is still in charge. And as long as he's alive, he will still be in charge. After he dies, there will be a period of chaos and confusion because the remaining Cabinet would not know what to do as they had never needed to make any choices before since everything is decided by LKY. But they will eventually find their own feet and their way, after which real changes will be made. For now, all we will see are just the wayangs as in the salary review committee.
 
The woman is talking rubbish again.

The PAP hasn't declined. It's quite the opposite. The PAP is getting better and better.

You only have to look at the standard of living now compared to the 60 and 70s and you'll have no choice but to agree with me.
 
The issue is not GDP, standard of living, economic metrices etc. it also not about car and homeownership. She is talking about arrogance, the failure to engage the young and the resulting loss of seats in parliament. Ps. You losing touch with tongue in cheek, satire, taking the piss/mickey etc. I too am losing it etc. its falling flat.
The woman is talking rubbish again. The PAP hasn't declined. It's quite the opposite. The PAP is getting better and better. You only have to look at the standard of living now compared to the 60 and 70s and you'll have no choice but to agree with me.
 
Catherine Lim messages are actually very simplistic but she writes in a very sophisticated manner that people assume that it carries a high degree of substance. She likes to talk about arrogance, engagement, social interaction, divide between the governed and the government etc. Notice that she will not go into any technicals such as income, standard of living, industry, HDB pricing, means testing, foreign workers, price of food and essentials, unemployment, displacement, role of unions etc. All important social and political issues.lMost unusual for a political commentator. She was a GP teacher and this has carried on pretty much.
 
The issue is not GDP, standard of living, economic metrices etc. it also not about car and homeownership. She is talking about arrogance, the failure to engage the young and the resulting loss of seats in parliament. Ps. You losing touch with tongue in cheek, satire, taking the piss/mickey etc. I too am losing it etc. its falling flat.

There is nothing tongue-in-cheek about my statements. I deal with facts not emotions. The old guard guided Singapore out of poverty and destitution. The competition came from the neighbours. It was a 3rd division league.

The new team have taken Singapore to new heights and we're now punching above our weight in the premier league.

The govt doesn't have to operate so that it's popular. It doesn't need showbiz personalities to be ministers. That game should be left to countries such as the Philippines who think that movie stars and boxers will also make good presidents

What Singapore needs is ministers who deliver the goods. They can be arrogant. They can be ugly. They have terrible BO and table manners. It doesn't matter. The bottom line is whether the country is moving forward or backward. In Singapore's case, I see nothing but blue skies ahead.
 
Its seems that the younger ones prefer their freedom and dignity. Gone are the days, we have compliant asians who kowtow to status and authority for the sake of it. With better education and a more open world comes the knowledge that both sides need other and its not a one way street. Looks like there are less takers for highly paid mistress role.
There is nothing tongue-in-cheek about my statements. I deal with facts not emotions. The old guard guided Singapore out of poverty and destitution. The competition came from the neighbours. It was a 3rd division league. What Singapore needs is ministers who deliver the goods. They can be arrogant. They can be ugly. They have terrible BO and table manners. It doesn't matter. The bottom line is whether the country is moving forward or backward. In Singapore's case, I see nothing but blue skies ahead.
 
Its seems that the younger ones prefer their freedom and dignity. Gone are the days, we have compliant asians who kowtow to status and authority for the sake of it. With better education and a more open world comes the knowledge that both sides need other and its not a one way street. Looks like there are less takers for highly paid mistress role.

There is no need to kowtow to authority. However, criticism has to be directed towards the right issues and not personalities.

Singapore faces many hurdles and the govt has tackled them head on. Things may not go per plan every single time but I prefer to see a govt addressing matters and making mistakes rather than one that simply does nothing in an attempt to be popular.
 
Catherine Lim messages are actually very simplistic but she writes in a very sophisticated manner that people assume that it carries a high degree of substance. She likes to talk about arrogance, engagement, social interaction, divide between the governed and the government etc. Notice that she will not go into any technicals such as income, standard of living, industry, HDB pricing, means testing, foreign workers, price of food and essentials, unemployment, displacement, role of unions etc. All important social and political issues.lMost unusual for a political commentator. She was a GP teacher and this has carried on pretty much.

yeah, but give credit where it is due. she is good in spin and fluff, and in politics (and branding), that is all that matters. perception of substance goes further than actual substance.
 
Last edited:
Catherine Lim messages are actually very simplistic but she writes in a very sophisticated manner that people assume that it carries a high degree of substance. She likes to talk about arrogance, engagement, social interaction, divide between the governed and the government etc. Notice that she will not go into any technicals such as income, standard of living, industry, HDB pricing, means testing, foreign workers, price of food and essentials, unemployment, displacement, role of unions etc. All important social and political issues.lMost unusual for a political commentator. She was a GP teacher and this has carried on pretty much.

As I wrote when I started this thread, Catherine Lim has given a very good qualitative assessment. I found the assessment very well written as it ties in very nicely with quantitative empirical work other researchers have done. In particular, I like the part about how the Youth in Singapore could be the spark that opens the eyes of parents/grand parents.

For those interested in a more quantitative approach that goes beyond the emotive, you can check out the following blog posting I wrote.

http://singstatistician.blogspot.com/2011/05/why-kids-are-scaring-pap.html

Why the kids are scaring the PAP

In the aftermath of GE 2011 and the announcement of PM Lee's new Cabinet, one thing which has become clear is that the PAP has become increasingly fearful of young Singaporeans.

One day after the elections, Lee Kuan Yew was doing the usual rounds to thank supporters. Never one to be gracious in victory, the former Minister Mentor made the following remarks:

'No longer do people carry sacks of rice. They use fork-lift trucks, they use computers, they use cranes. So, as a result, salaries have gone up, productivity has gone up,' he said.

In an apparent reference to the General Election results, he said, with an amused chuckle, that '2011 has seen a generation that does not remember from whence we came'.


Scroobal, a PAP party insider who has no great love of Mr Lee, posted this sharp rejoinder in Sammyboy forum ( http://www.sammyboy.com ):

The guy is in cloud cuckoo land. He is still talking about the 1950/60s. My god - rice sacks and older generation. Khaw should take him to old folks home in JB so that he can reminiscence about the old days …

If you have attended any of the Opposition rallies, you will find that it is mainly the young who are going to the rallies. It is the young who make up the bulk of Nicole Seah’s 100,00 ++ FB fans. And it is also the young who seem to be talking the loudest these days about politics.

When doing analysis, it is common to use 1965 as the reference year of the “young” generation. 1965 is significant not because it was the year when Singapore was evicted from Malaysia. 1965 is significant because if you were born in 1965, you would be 25 years old in 1990. Since 25 years old is round about the time when most Singaporeans start working full time, 1965 is important as it marks the cohort which entered the workforce in 1990. Somewhat coincidentally, this cohort of Singaporeans is also the first cohort of Singaporeans where a significant proportion are IT literate. They are therefore not forced to rely on the Singapore mainstream media (msm) which contains large amounts of PAP spin and propaganda. They can and do listen to the alternative voices on the Internet. Singaporeans born after 1965 are commonly referred to as the P65.

The year 1990 is also critical as it marks a significant turning point in Singapore’s economic history. From 1965 to 1990, the Singapore economy saw unparalleled economic growth. With the exception of a very short recession in 1985, there was full employment, good salary increases and cheap HDB flats. The majority of those in the cohort who were working at this time therefore enjoyed tremendous economic benefits, making them strong lifelong supporters of the PAP.

After 1990 however, things changed. The Singapore economy had matured and economic growth began to slow. To bolster economic growth, the PAP clandestinely began the FT policy. Housing prices began their steep ascent and we see the start of many of the overcrowding problems which we face today. The period also saw a large number of external shocks to the Singapore economy. The ones which come readily to mind are: Asian Financial Crisis; Bursting of the dot com bubble; SARS; and Global Financial Crisis.

Members of the P65 therefore did considerably worse than the preceding generation. While there was a small elite that prospered under the PAP’s policies, the majority suffered under PAP rule. Since the PAP drew its Ministers and MPs from the small elite that was prospering, they were blind to the difficulties of the P65 who were struggling. Those who voiced out were dismissed as a vocal minority of “champion grumbers” , “lesser mortals”, “cattle with no spurs stuck in their backside” or other creative term that PAP leaders like to use to label Singaporeans that spoke out against their policies.

As a voice in politics, the P65 did not have a voice until GE 2001. This is because prior to that, their numbers were too small to matter politically.


The chart and table show why after years of riding roughshod over them, the PAP are now suddenly so scared of the P65. Although there are only 3 data points, it can be seen that there is a very strong NEGATIVE relationship between the proportion of P65 voters and PAP’s share of the popular vote.

This explains why in many of the rally pictures which have emerged from GE 2011, the PAP rallies look like a picnic of residents from an old folks home while Opposition rallies are full of loud, passionate young people.


For GE 2011, the P65 made up 51.5% of the electorate and the PAP share of the popular vote shrank to 60%. In 2016, the P65 will form 63% of the electorate. Conservatively, we are therefore likely to see yet another 5% to 6% vote swing against the PAP. Based on the vote from GE 2011, the Opposition stand a good chance in the GRCs/SMCs listed in the table on the right.

The PAP are currently in the process of a rebranding exercise in order to appeal to P65 voters. Their first tangible move is to put their two most iconic elder politicians, Lee Kuan Yew and Goh Chok Tong, out to pasture. They have also retired Wong Kan Seng, Mah Bow Tan and Raymond Lim, three PAP elders who are disliked by many young Singaporeans because of their policy failures..

The Singapore msm has been taking every opportunity to paint the picture that the PAP has heard the cries of the P65. The skies are therefore suddenly blue and the future is bright. I am skeptical if this is true. This is because depending who they are talking to, the PAP has been saying different things. If they are talking to Singaporeans, they have been promising big changes. If they are talking to businesses and foreigners, they have saying that it is "business as usual". Since both of these outcomes are mutually exclusive, they are obviously lying to somebody.
 
Last edited:
I will use an analogy. You bring your titanium to the best mechanic you know. You have no idea whether its your front or rear mechs that is the source of the unusual clicks. The guy fixes it and he is always condescending, very patronising and when you ask him what is the source of the problem, he tells you that it is beyond your capacity to grasp. You pay him as he always gets it right. Years down the road, your son notices it and and when he gets his first carbon, he picks another guy to fix it. This guy is not too bad but not the best. Your son uses the internet and nails most of the issue via youtube and forum. He just needs the mechnic because of the special adapter for the BB. Its not expertise or competence, it about being treated nice and not be abused. And certainly not to be taken for granted. Vikram Nair practically undressed Gerald Giam in Parliament today. But at the next poll, GG will still get more votes.
There is no need to kowtow to authority. However, criticism has to be directed towards the right issues and not personalities. Singapore faces many hurdles and the govt has tackled them head on. Things may not go per plan every single time but I prefer to see a govt addressing matters and making mistakes rather than one that simply does nothing in an attempt to be popular.
 
Absolutely agree. She is effective as she gets under their skin big time. Though simplistic, she gets the message across in such an acerbic manner that it causes pain. I did notice that even old man fell for it. One day however, they going to catch her out. I suspect that she knows it and thus does not want to formally partake in politics. I am with her on her sniping.
yeah, but give credit where it is due. she is good in spin and fluff, and in politics (and branding), that is all that matters. perception of substance goes further than actual substance.
 
Excellent piece. We need more of this to break thru their fog of selective data.
For those interested in a more quantitative approach that goes beyond the emotive, you can check out the following blog posting I wrote.http://singstatistician.blogspot.com/2011/05/why-kids-are-scaring-pap.htmlWhy the kids are scaring the PAP In the aftermath of GE 2011 and the announcement of PM Lee's new Cabinet, one thing which has become clear is that the PAP has become increasingly fearful of young Singaporeans. One day after the elections, Lee Kuan Yew was doing the usual rounds to thank supporters. Never one to be gracious in victory, the former Minister Mentor made the following remarks: 'No longer do people carry sacks of rice. They use fork-lift trucks, they use computers, they use cranes. So, as a result, salaries have gone up, productivity has gone up,' he said.The guy is in cloud cuckoo land. He is still talking about the 1950/60s. My god - rice sacks and older generation. Khaw should take him to old folks home in JB so that he can reminiscence about the old days … When doing analysis, it is common to use 1965 as the reference year of the “young” generation. 1965 is significant not because it was the year when Singapore was evicted from Malaysia. 1965 is significant because if you were born in 1965, you would be 25 years old in 1990. Since 25 years old is round about the time when most Singaporeans start working full time, 1965 is important as it marks the cohort which entered the workforce in 1990. Somewhat coincidentally, this cohort of Singaporeans is also the first cohort of Singaporeans where a significant proportion are IT literate. They are therefore not forced to rely on the Singapore mainstream media (msm) which contains large amounts of PAP spin and propaganda. They can and do listen to the alternative voices on the Internet. Singaporeans born after 1965 are commonly referred to as the P65.Members of the P65 therefore did considerably worse than the preceding generation. While there was a small elite that prospered under the PAP’s policies, the majority suffered under PAP rule. Since the PAP drew its Ministers and MPs from the small elite that was prospering, they were blind to the difficulties of the P65 who were struggling. Those who voiced out were dismissed as a vocal minority of “champion grumbers” , “lesser mortals”, “cattle with no spurs stuck in their backside” or other creative term that PAP leaders like to use to label Singaporeans that spoke out against their policies..
 
The issue is not GDP, standard of living, economic metrices etc. it also not about car and homeownership. She is talking about arrogance, the failure to engage the young and the resulting loss of seats in parliament. Ps. You losing touch with tongue in cheek, satire, taking the piss/mickey etc. I too am losing it etc. its falling flat.

That's right. Leongsam is like a has-been stand up comedian playing to an empty hall and empty chairs with his old jokes. Time for him to get a new script else he would really be down and out.
 
Excellent piece. We need more of this to break thru their fog of selective data.

Agree. It's forummers like aurvandil, yourself, Thich Face Black Heart, Windsor, Fook Seng, Nice-Gook, Conqueror and Tracy Tan that always made this forum so educational, enlightening and enriching. I count that as a blessings. Credit of course must also go to our dear Leongsam who entertains us with his rubbish postings without fail. He loves to stick his ass out for us to ..........
 
There is no need to kowtow to authority. However, criticism has to be directed towards the right issues and not personalities.

Singapore faces many hurdles and the govt has tackled them head on. Things may not go per plan every single time but I prefer to see a govt addressing matters and making mistakes rather than one that simply does nothing in an attempt to be popular.

The thing I like about u Leongsam is your consistency. Yes, your consistent display of your political naiveity. Surely there is no need for us to point out to u that it is personalities that shape and influence a govt's philisophy and attitudes towards the manner in which they govern the country, which in turn determine the policies. In the local context, it's entirely LKY personality.
 
These included the overbearing, intolerant and patronizing approach that was so stifling to their vibrant and creative energies; the elitism, superiority and highhandedness that offended their youthful ideals of equality and fair play; the inflexibility, stiffness, and formality that were at odds with the casual, spontaneous, friendly manner that they favoured.

I remember they said they were seriously going to reflect and improve after the dismal performance in GE2011. But from the recent crossing of swords in parliament, it further confirms the old adage - A leopard never changes its spot.
 
Back
Top