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Can't trust Trump

Wunderfool

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Keep changing his mind about deals from North Korea 's nuke talk to China 's Trade talks.

He is utterly inconsistent and has constantly twists and turns his words.


The markets tanked after he announced increased tariffs on all $200b of China imports from 10% to 25% this week and warned that the remaining $300b of China imports will also face tariffs soon.

Who knows what he is thinking next ...

if we have a leader like him, we are done for.
 

Wunderfool

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WASHINGTON — Trade talks between China and the United States ended on Friday without a deal as President Trump raised tariffs on $200 billion worth of Chinese imports and signaled he was prepared for a prolonged economic fight.
Mr. Trump, who only weeks ago predicted a signing ceremony for an “epic” trade deal with President Xi Jinping of China, reclaimed his stance of threatening Beijing and insisting his approach would help the American economy. In a flurry of tweets on Friday, Mr. Trump warned that he would tax nearly all of China’s imports if the country continued to backtrack on a trade deal.
“Tariffs will make our Country MUCH STRONGER, not weaker. Just sit back and watch!” Mr. Trump said on Friday morning, adding that the Chinese “should not renegotiate deals with the U.S. at the last minute.”
While both sides indicated there would be future discussions, the toughened stance thrust the world’s two largest economies back into a trade war that one week ago had seemed on the cusp of ending. Mr. Trump and his advisers were surprised by what they saw as China’s attempt to renege on parts of an emerging trade deal, and two days of talks this week did nothing to resolve those concerns. Mr. Trump is now moving ahead with plans to impose 25 percent tariffs on all remaining Chinese imports. Those new tariffs could go into effect in a matter of weeks.
 

Wunderfool

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Does imposing tariff on China's imports help Americans ?

Who is really paying the tariff ?

The mechanics of tariffs are not complicated: The government sends a tax bill to the company that brings goods into the country. Most of those tax bills go to American companies, often import firms that specialize in dealing with the customs process.
It doesn’t really matter who gets the bill, however. The important question is where the money to pay it comes from. And in broad terms, there are only two options: It comes either from the firms that make, move and sell the products or from the pockets of the buyers.
Consider the case of washing machines. In January 2018, Mr. Trump imposed a tariff on washing machines, initially at a rate of 20 percent. The tariff caused a 12 percent increase in the price of washing machines, according to a study by economists at the Federal Reserve and the University of Chicago. It also resulted in a similar increase in the price of dryers. Americans responded by buying more domestic washing machines, creating about 1,800 new jobs. But the cost of the tariffs was borne entirely by American consumers. The study estimated that each of those new jobs came at a cost of more than $815,000.
The Trump administration has tried to focus the China tariffs on the industrial supply chain: products used in making other goods, rather than products sold directly to consumers. That means much of the cost initially is absorbed by faceless corporations.
But the bottom line remains either lower profits or higher prices.
Some of the money could, in theory, be squeezed from Chinese manufacturers. But a pair of recent studies by prominent academics, including the chief economist at the World Bank, have concluded that the full cost of the Trump tariffs is being paid here in the United States, although China has suffered a loss of access to the American market.

The cost of a tax is not just the money extracted from the private sector but also the disruption of economic activity. Here, too, the tariffs are proving painful. The second study estimated that tariffs were extracting $3 billion a month from American companies and consumers — and causing an additional $1.4 billion a month in lost economic activity.
Mr. Trump’s tariffs also have prompted China to retaliate, and that is causing particular pain for Midwestern farmers who have lost a major market for their crops.
 

wontonmee

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Does imposing tariff on China's imports help Americans ?

Who is really paying the tariff ?

The mechanics of tariffs are not complicated: The government sends a tax bill to the company that brings goods into the country. Most of those tax bills go to American companies, often import firms that specialize in dealing with the customs process.
It doesn’t really matter who gets the bill, however. The important question is where the money to pay it comes from. And in broad terms, there are only two options: It comes either from the firms that make, move and sell the products or from the pockets of the buyers.
Consider the case of washing machines. In January 2018, Mr. Trump imposed a tariff on washing machines, initially at a rate of 20 percent. The tariff caused a 12 percent increase in the price of washing machines, according to a study by economists at the Federal Reserve and the University of Chicago. It also resulted in a similar increase in the price of dryers. Americans responded by buying more domestic washing machines, creating about 1,800 new jobs. But the cost of the tariffs was borne entirely by American consumers. The study estimated that each of those new jobs came at a cost of more than $815,000.
The Trump administration has tried to focus the China tariffs on the industrial supply chain: products used in making other goods, rather than products sold directly to consumers. That means much of the cost initially is absorbed by faceless corporations.
But the bottom line remains either lower profits or higher prices.
Some of the money could, in theory, be squeezed from Chinese manufacturers. But a pair of recent studies by prominent academics, including the chief economist at the World Bank, have concluded that the full cost of the Trump tariffs is being paid here in the United States, although China has suffered a loss of access to the American market.

The cost of a tax is not just the money extracted from the private sector but also the disruption of economic activity. Here, too, the tariffs are proving painful. The second study estimated that tariffs were extracting $3 billion a month from American companies and consumers — and causing an additional $1.4 billion a month in lost economic activity.
Mr. Trump’s tariffs also have prompted China to retaliate, and that is causing particular pain for Midwestern farmers who have lost a major market for their crops.
Ah leong will disagree with you. Haha.
As I said before, 19.2% of total chinese exports is to US. While it would dent China, it wouldn't kill the Tiongs who have the dexterity and tenacity to weather this.
 

laksaboy

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If those dictators stop playing tricks behind his back, making a deal is very possible.

Trump is very smart, and he never forgives those who betrayed him.

 

laksaboy

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Ah leong will disagree with you. Haha.
As I said before, 19.2% of total chinese exports is to US. While it would dent China, it wouldn't kill the Tiongs who have the dexterity and tenacity to weather this.

We shall see. But I believe you're overestimating China's capabilities.
 

jw5

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You couldn't trust Clinton either with his intern in the Oval Office. :biggrin:

As Fox Mulder used to say, trust no one. :wink:

Keep changing his mind about deals from North Korea 's nuke talk to China 's Trade talks.

He is utterly inconsistent and has constantly twists and turns his words.


The markets tanked after he announced increased tariffs on all $200b of China imports from 10% to 25% this week and warned that the remaining $300b of China imports will also face tariffs soon.

Who knows what he is thinking next ...

if we have a leader like him, we are done for.
 

Wunderfool

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Even Warren Buffet agrees that a trade war between US and China will be very bad for the whole world... it is a dangerous game ... be careful what you wish for. Trump is playing games with Kim and now with Xi. And both leaders, if he didn't realize by now , are allies. And he is also targetting Mexico and Europe... in time to come, he will have very few friends in the international world.

 

laksaboy

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Even Warren Buffet agrees that a trade war between US and China will be very bad for the whole world... it is a dangerous game ... be careful what you wish for. Trump is playing games with Kim and now with Xi. And both leaders, if he didn't realize by now , are allies. And he is also targetting Mexico and Europe... in time to come, he will have very few friends in the international world.


It's Warren Buffett.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_derangement_syndrome
 

laksaboy

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I suppose for defenders of Trump, they can invent all kinds of terms to say that others are mistaken or lack the maturity of thought...

I like this one from Joe Wong


Ditto for the libtards who hate Trump and still haven't got over 2016. All the late night talk shows and 'comedy' shows are 24/7 bashing Trump now.

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Leongsam

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China is well and truly fucked now and it serves them right for messing with the great Donald Trump.
 

whoami

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I suppose for defenders of Trump, they can invent all kinds of terms to say that others are mistaken or lack the maturity of thought...

I like this one from Joe Wong


Not just trade war. Obama agree with Iran nuclear deal but now fucktard dotard refuse to accept it. Can suka suka back off ya.
 

winnipegjets

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Not just trade war. Obama agree with Iran nuclear deal but now fucktard dotard refuse to accept it. Can suka suka back off ya.

Israel PM Babi never liked the Iran deal. Trump thinks that when he does everything Babi asks of him, the US Jews will vote for him in 2020.
I hope conflict breaks out there and Jewish and American casualties runs into the hundreds of thousands, then Babi and Trump will have a good time with their citizens.
 

Leongsam

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Not just trade war. Obama agree with Iran nuclear deal but now fucktard dotard refuse to accept it. Can suka suka back off ya.


The deal was a rip off and put the USA and Israel at a distinct disadvantage.

Thank goodness Trump is repairing all the damage the Obama did.
 
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