Can you blame the owner? He has to protect his interest.

[A Singaporean]

Malaysian Indian utilises data visualisation to shed light on alleged racism in Malaysia’s rental market
Based on what he dubbed a "basic analysis" of nearly 10,000 rental listings on a local property rental website, Twitter user Pingalayen found that "Indians are rejected upfront for around 45% of all listings in KL & Selangor"

 

[kaninabuchaojibye]

the fact is that after renting to indians, your flat or house isn't rentable anymore because the kali and indian smell goes into the furniture, fridge and cupboards. who's going to compensate the owner for making it unrentable?

nothing racist.. it's all about money. if indian tenants would pay upfront reinstatement costs, no problem, they can rent my properties.

 

[Chase]

Maybe they can put 50% discount for Japanese and AMDK expats.

 

[syed putra]

Maybe they can put 50% discount for Japanese and AMDK expats.

More likely charge indian double.

 

[Cottonmouth]

Who would want to rent out to filthy Indians. Disgusting.

 

[SalahParking]

if you rent to Indians, you will have to take a huge economic loss on your asset value. The damage is irreversible.

 

[laksaboy]

the fact is that after renting to indians, your flat or house isn't rentable anymore because the kali and indian smell goes into the furniture, fridge and cupboards. who's going to compensate the owner for making it unrentable?

nothing racist.. it's all about money. if indian tenants would pay upfront reinstatement costs, no problem, they can rent my properties.

Renting to Japs is the best: they are usually law-abiding, neat and hygienic.

Tiongs are a mixed bag.

Koreans are in the middle between Japs and Tiongs.

As a rule of thumb, single professional women who are non-smokers are better candidates for renting your property.

 

[syed putra]

if you rent to Indians, you will have to take a huge economic loss on your asset value. The damage is irreversible.

Tell that to silicon balley where property prices are escalating

 

[mojito]

Show him Mel hill park. Demand still vely strong.

 

[gingerlyn]

Would Malay house owners rent their houses to Indians? Indians are pork eaters

 

[syed putra]

Would Malay house owners rent their houses to Indians? Indians are pork eaters

Malays can barely afford a home.

 

[Hypocrite-The]

How can it be discrimination when it is a fact ? For me,,,I wont rent to Ah nehs too, Perhaps these Ah nehs should instead focus on themselves and why even mudslimes wont rent to them,,..I know of ah nehs who wont even rent to ah nehs


Malaysian Indian utilises data visualisation to shed light on alleged racism in Malaysia’s rental market
Based on what he dubbed a "basic analysis" of nearly 10,000 rental listings on a local property rental website, Twitter user Pingalayen found that "Indians are rejected upfront for around 45% of all listings in KL & Selangor"

by Danisha Hakeem

19 November 2020

in Malaysia, Property

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Source: Twitter / @pingster2008, ITB Tourism


KUALA LUMPUR, MALAYSIA — A Malaysian Indian last week utilised his coding background and data visualisation skills to shed light on alleged racism in the country’s rental market.
Twitter user @pingster2008, identified in several media reports as Pingalayen, drew data from scanning nearly 10,000 rental listings on a local property rental website for racial preference.
His analysis of the data he gathered found that potential tenants who are Indians “are rejected upfront” for around 45 per cent of all listings in Kuala Lumpur and Selangor.
Mr Pingalayen noted that listings containing “no preference”, which made up 37 per cent of the results, do not always indicate that “Indians are welcome”, as the racial preference may be included elsewhere.
In some instances, agents will inform Indian potential tenants of the preference “after calling them”, he added. Mr Pingalayen said that he has been personally subject to this.

Only 19 per cent of the listings accepted Indian tenants.


He also noted that locations closer to the capital city “seem to have fewer listings open to Indians”.


Mr Pingalayen observed that Indian tenants have to pay 19 per cent more than their non-Indian counterparts in terms of monthly rent.
This disparity is most striking for those renting a master bedroom or a middle room — Mr Pingalayen found that Indian tenants need to pay 22 per cent and 17 per cent more respectively than non-Indians.
While rent disparity for single rooms is not as high as the above, he found that Indians renting single rooms still need to pay 5 per cent more than non-Indian tenants.


In a move to address the problem, the government in January last year revealed its plans to introduce a Residential Tenancy Act to “include provisions against discrimination in accordance with international law”.

Mr Pingalayen, however, highlighted that the proposed legislation may only cover “rental of low cost houses”.
Tenants living in more upscale areas may then still be vulnerable to discrimination in the rental market, he stressed.
“Also, with the current political instability idk if it will even be tabled,” Mr Pingalayen lamented.


Mr Pingalayen’s data and code repository can be accessed on GitHub here.
Separately, another Malaysian Indian took to Facebook in August to share his personal experience with racism as a tenant.
Diivek Suppiah recounted how he was met with a rude shock when he was suddenly told to evict the room he had paid all deposits and rent in full for, on the sole basis that the landlord had abruptly stated a preference for Chinese tenants.
At that point, Mr Diivek had already been staying in the unit for around two weeks.
He was told to “clear the master room” the same day he received the landlord’s message via the management.
“First of all, yes i am an indian, born & bred in *MALAYSIA* . You should have mentioned earlier that you only prefer chinese tenants, then I would have not even booked or recommend anyone to rent your unit,” wrote Mr Diivek in his Facebook post on 13 August.
While he did not blame the management “as they tried their best to fight the case for me”, Mr Diivek expressed his indignation against the landlord’s absurd request.
“By just giving 1 day notice, you expect me to *MOVE OUT*???? Well do you think that I am so free to move here and there. Its clearly showing that you are a very racist person,” he wrote, adding that it is unbelievable that such a mentality still exists in Malaysia in 2020.


Mr Diivek told SAYS that in the few days he stayed in the room, he had kept it clean and tidy.
The landlord, he added, was not unaware that he is an Indian when he signed the tenancy agreement.
“Why must Indians be treated this way? Why can’t Indians rent a room owned by a Chinese landlord? Why didn’t I at least get a proper one-month notice to move out?” he told SAYS, adding that it is crucial for people to know that “this is still happening in Malaysia”.
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[SalahParking]

No rent to Indians and Africans.

It brings down the value of the surronding estate

 

[Cottonmouth]

Fucking Indians shitskins should take a fucking look at themselves. They are filthy pigs, they belong in a pig sty or the sewage. Why bother to rent a room?

 

[Froggy]

The study should also specifically mention whether what percentage Indian owners would like to rent to their fellow Indians.

 

[Nice-Gook]

it's not racism as in the context of malusia

its purely a question of safety

malusia jails are 80% Kelings populated, most gangsters are kekings too ,not to mention drug pushers

its highly risky to rent to kelings in malusia

 

[laksaboy]

55% are still accepted, what's the problem?

Sometimes people don't like a black face in their backyard, deal with it.

 

[Hypocrite-The]

In spotlight on Indians’ home-renting difficulties, lawyer says no law in Malaysia against individuals’ racial discrimination | Malay Mail
Based on analysis of the data on October 19, 45 per cent of the room rental property listings in the Klang Valley already outrightly rejected Indian tenants. — Picture by Yusof Mat Isa
Based on analysis of the data on October 19, 45 per cent of the room rental property listings in the Klang Valley already outrightly rejected Indian tenants. — Picture by Yusof Mat Isa
KUALA LUMPUR, Dec 23 — Malaysia has no law that specifically addresses racial discrimination between individuals, a lawyer said in a forum on the issue of ethnic Indians being rejected by potential landlords in the country.

Lawyer Syahredzan Johan said that the Federal Constitution’s Article 8(2) that prohibits racial discrimination, among others, has been decided by the Malaysian courts to only apply to situations involving the government and an individual, instead of between two private citizens.

“Article 8(2) has been decided by our courts to only apply vertically, meaning it doesn’t apply horizontally between citizens. Meaning if there’s discrimination by the state against you, then you can take action because your right has been violated.

“However, if there’s discrimination between citizens or the private sector, then Article 8(2) according to court decision would not apply,” he said in an online forum last night.

Under Article 8 that covers the guarantee of equality, Article 8(2) among other things provides that there shall be no discrimination against Malaysians only for reasons such as religion or race in any law or in various matters such as job appointments under a public authority or the administration of laws on buying, holding or selling of properties — unless expressly authorised by the Federal Constitution.

“So what it means is that under the Federal Constitution, there isn’t really any provision that deals with discrimination between individuals in the private sector. That’s why we always see instances when people say there’s discrimination in employment or rental because at this point in time, under the Federal Constitution it is not unlawful, it is not prohibited and we also don’t have a specific law to deal with discrimination as between individuals,” he added.

Syahredzan said that Malaysia does not have one single central law specifically dealing with the relationship between landlords and tenants. ― Picture by Mukhriz Hazim
Syahredzan said that Malaysia does not have one single central law specifically dealing with the relationship between landlords and tenants. ― Picture by Mukhriz Hazim
Syahredzan said there are situations where discrimination would be justified such as women landlords seeking female tenants only, in contrast to unfair discrimination based on race that he said cannot be justified and has no basis.

He noted that the National Unity Consultative Council had previously drafted proposed laws including one featuring a mechanism where complaints of discrimination can be brought to a tribunal to be dealt with, but said that this was later shelved due to objections.

Syahredzan also said that Malaysia does not have one single central law specifically dealing with the relationship between landlords and tenants, but has different laws that could be applicable such as for contracts and measures to regain control of a property, noting: “Certainly if we have one legislation to deal with landlords and tenants, we can also look at how to address the issue of discrimination when it comes to renting out properties.”

Syahredzan was speaking in an online “Forum on Racial Discrimination in Rental Properties”.

How are Indians affected and why the discrimination?

During the forum, business analyst Pingalayen Rabinthra Kumar shared the results of his analysis of data from all available property listings on the website ibilik.my in Kuala Lumpur and Selangor on October 19, 2020 totalling 9,956 listings, which he said was inspired by his own experience in facing racial discrimination as an Indian by prospective landlords since moving from Alor Setar, Kedah to Kuala Lumpur after his SPM.

He said he had almost given up on his first job offer in the Klang Valley due to the difficulties in finding a room to rent within a near distance, noting: “These are the kind of decisions that are made when people look at properties, you are literally homeless if don’t find a place to stay.”

While saying he respected the right of landlords to choose their tenants, he called for better judgement from landlords instead of blocking out rental properties to prospective tenants simply due to their ethnicity that they have no control or no choice over.

While acknowledging that other ethnic groups may also face discrimination when searching for rental housing, Pingalayen said his analysis was to highlight discrimination towards Indians in property rentals which was in the past only based on anecdotes.

Based on his analysis of the data on October 19, 45 per cent of the room rental property listings in the Klang Valley already outrightly rejected Indian tenants while only 19 per cent accepted Indians and the remaining 37 per cent which did not list any ethnic preference could still result in rejections even for fixing appointments to view the property.

The data also showed locations closer to the city centre in Kuala Lumpur have fewer percentage of listings open to Indians while further locations such as Shah Alam and Cyberjaya would have higher percentage of listings open to Indians.

Besides losing out in terms of chances to find rooms to rent in locations near KL, his data analysis showed that Indian tenants would also tend to pay more compared to other ethnicities for the same type of room or the same location, with Indians on average paying 19 per cent or RM107 more in the Klang Valley when compared to non-Indians.

When going through responses in online comments on news site Malaysiakini of those who feel landlords may be justified in discriminating against Indian tenants, he narrowed these down to three main “reasons” or “excuses”, namely hygiene or perceptions of such tenants creating a mess, or being bad paymasters who do not pay rent on time, or being bad tenants who do not take care of the property.

Pingalayen said such stereotypes were an unfair judgement of Indians as a group, pointing out that this community is not homogeneous, but highly diverse in terms of ethnic culture, religion (such as Hindus, Muslims, Christians, Jains, Baha’is), and in rural-urban settings or different work classes or jobs.

“It’s funny because I know you probably say all these, but all these stereotypes and negative perceptions towards Indians will probably disappear when you decide to go for banana leaf (rice) or you decide to go to see an Indian doctor at a clinic, all the stereotypes suddenly disappear, but somehow when it comes to renting to Indian tenants, these are the kind of stereotypes,” he said in highlighting the irony of such stereotypes.

He questioned why a few bad experiences or a few “bad apples” among Indian tenants is being used to define an entire race or group of people, later saying: “We are such a diverse group and to paint all of us with a broad stroke is really unfair.”

Instead of discriminating based on race, Pingalayen said the landlords should choose their prospective tenants by looking at their ability to afford the rent, and factors such as whether they would be able to take care of the unit and if they would not be disruptive to neighbours.

Believing that racial stereotypes in Malaysia have been built up over the years, he urged for landlords to show a bit of trust: “I just extend an olive branch, I know this has been here for a long time, I know it’s not your fault that you probably have these stereotypes, it has been conditioned, it’s a community, societal thing, so just extend an olive branch, give us a chance to show you that not all Indian tenants are bad, it’s only a few bad apples that are ruining our reputation.”

A practical, efficient solution that the government can easily do

In the same forum, Bukit Gasing state assemblyman Rajiv Rishyakaran said that he also faced discrimination when shifting from Subang Jaya to Petaling Jaya several years ago and having stayed in three different houses in Petaling Jaya.

In the process of finding properties to rent, Rajiv said his ethnicity kept many doors closed and that he did not disclose his state assemblyman position for a special privilege to make appointments, stating: “In my case, after a while it became easier to have my Chinese female assistant to make those phone calls to ask whether properties were available and whether viewing times can be arranged, that’s how I got my foot into the door.”

Bukit Gasing state assemblyman Rajiv Rishyakaran said his ethnicity kept many doors closed. — Picture by Zuraneeza Zulkifli
Bukit Gasing state assemblyman Rajiv Rishyakaran said his ethnicity kept many doors closed. — Picture by Zuraneeza Zulkifli
Rajiv said the solution to both tenants frustrated with discrimination and landlords wishing to protect their property rights by choosing tenants would come in two ways, namely the ultimate goal of one day having Parliament enact an anti-discrimination law and a practical measure of introducing a tribunal for landlords and tenants to address the symptoms or root causes of racial discrimination in renting out properties.

“We also see interestingly Indian landlords also don’t want Indian tenants. This goes to highlight it’s beyond racial discrimination, there’s also a practical dimension to it,” he said when saying a tribunal could help cut back on such discrimination.

Rajiv said the current avenue of going to court to enforce actions — against bad tenants such as to evict those who had not paid rent or against bad landlords who fail to return the deposit after a tenant moves out or fails to maintain the property as obliged — is both costly and time-consuming as it could run into months or longer, saying a tribunal would be able to provide a legally-binding decision quickly with cheap filing fees.

He said that a tribunal between landlords and tenants is common in many countries, and that the Housing and Local Government Ministry itself already has experience with tribunals via two existing tribunals — Tribunal for Homebuyer Claims and Strata Management Tribunal.

A tribunal could help deal with the factors that have contributed to landlords’ discrimination in choosing tenants, such as experiences with bad tenants that take advantage of the long process for eviction by not paying rental for months before moving to a new property to repeat the same act.

“Let’s have the few bad apples dealt with by tribunal, let’s have legal recourse to deal with the few bad apples, so the rest of us are not dragged down together, so landlords don’t have to resort to discrimination to protect their assets,” he said, while pointing out that such a tribunal would mutually benefit landlords and tenants.

“It’s not about taking away your right to choose a tenant, it’s about giving you a platform, all the landlords there who are very anxious and angry, such a tribunal is actually helping you, because you may face problems with tenants regardless of race, so embrace the tribunal idea so you can deal with it.

“I believe after one, two, three years of a tribunal being in existence and having had the tribunal work to deal with problems, the need to profile tenants by race, the need to profile tenants possibly by religion would start to reduce, because if there are problems, they are dealt with,” he said.

Calling upon the Housing and Local Government Ministry to respond to his idea since last week of a tribunal between landlords and tenants, he said the proposed Residential Tenancy Act which the government is currently drafting should include such a mechanism like the tribunal to quickly resolve issues such as non-paying tenants or breaches of tenancy agreements.

Rajiv confirmed that the ministry has yet to respond to his idea of such a tribunal.

When asked during the forum of an idea to essentially “blacklist” bad tenants by having reports on their track records as a tenant such as existing systems in Malaysia tracking the creditworthiness of individuals, Rajiv said that this could complement having a tribunal idea, but at the same time said this may be more applicable to long-time tenants instead of students or fresh graduates or first-time tenants who should not then be discriminated due to their lack of a track record in renting.

Syahredzan cautioned against having such a blacklist system alone on tenants or landlords to avoid situations such as names being keyed in into the system due to grudges, saying it should keep records of or work in line with a tribunal after a decision has been made.

Syahredzan also said the government’s proposed Residential Tenancy Act would not really solve problems of discrimination and would be a bit redundant if it is just a law to centralise all different aspects related to tenancies without featuring a tribunal.

 

[knnccb]

lau slut dont mind, she rent to them to stay and they rent back to her for business

 

[Scrooball (clone)]

U don't need data visualization to come up with this conclusion.