BREAKING : Explosions heard over Venezuelan capital Caracas amid US tensions. Venezuelan President Maduro captured!

[glockman]

No, you fucking retard. The thousands of Venezuelans killed and murdered and tortured by Maduro to suppress the opposition and protests are the real brave souls.

Ok you stupid piece of shit, I get what you're saying. Too bad you couldn't see the humour and sarcasm intended. Which annoyed me actually! But then I tell myself you're a stupid piece of shit, so I decided to let it slide. *wink*

 

[Leongsam]

 

[eatshitndie]

Your response pretty much proves my point. You write people off based upon emotion either because you don't have the intelligence to ANALyse things for yourself or because you're surrounded by jackasses giving you bad advice.

As for Trump and Elon they have long since kissed and made up. Things move fast nowadays you need to be nimble in order to stay current.

since moi is trump insider as he sends me over 69 emails a week detailing some pubic meetings on economic plans (like the one with musk) tiagong he offered musk to return to advisor role with nasa under his wings. musk is working on an ambitious space plan and spacex may go ipo with starlink being offered as an alternative to both cellular and landbased broadband. tesla’s low power microchip with multiple gpu cores and neural accelerator rivaling that of apple’s m5 is also in the works. it will be the cpu-gpu combo that will be used in all consumer and commercial products from tesla (evs, sunroofs, home energy systems, and robots) and spacex (terminals, visors, glasses, helmets, and handphones). dojo is dead. but a new chip based on ai16.9 is being born. apple shitting in their pants.

 

[Leongsam]

since moi is trump insider as he sends me over 69 emails a week detailing some pubic meetings on economic plans (like the one with musk) tiagong he offered musk to return to advisor role with nasa under his wings. musk is working on an ambitious space plan and spacex may go ipo with starlink being offered as an alternative to both cellular and landbased broadband. tesla’s low power microchip with multiple gpu cores and neural accelerator rivaling that of apple’s m5 is also in the works. it will be the cpu-gpu combo that will be used in all consumer and commercial products from tesla (evs, sunroofs, home energy systems, and robots) and spacex (terminals, visors, glasses, helmets, and handphones). dojo is dead. but a new chip based on ai16.9 is being born. apple shitting in their pants.

In a decade or so the Tesla brand will be nothing more than cog in the SpaceX conglomerate. Space is where the future lies with Musk already a good way into reconstructing a new version of the internet in space where the current rules do not apply.

Imagine what the world will be like with Grok, Starlink, Tesla and Optimus all working in sync and multiplying productivity 50 fold compared to where things are today. Truly mind boggling.

In the meantime clowns like @winners bitch about inconsequential issues that nobody but the crooked democrats give a shit about.

 

[Papsmearer]

Ok you stupid piece of shit, I get what you're saying. Too bad you couldn't see the humour and sarcasm intended. Which annoyed me actually! But then I tell myself you're a stupid piece of shit, so I decided to let it slide. *wink*

no one gives a shit about your sarcasm. No one can be bothered to figure out whether it's sarcasm or not. When I put you down for stupid coments like the dumb bithc u are, then u resort to the "sarcasm" comment. hahahha. u are pathetic.

 

[Papsmearer]

In a decade or so the Tesla brand will be nothing more than cog in the SpaceX conglomerate. Space is where the future lies with Musk already a good way into reconstructing a new version of the internet in space where the current rules do not apply.

Imagine what the world will be like with Grok, Starlink, Tesla and Optimus all working in sync and multiplying productivity 50 fold compared to where things are today. Truly mind boggling.

In the meantime clowns like @winners bitch about inconsequential issues that nobody but the crooked democrats give a shit about.

Tesla has always been a cog from day one for Starlink. Musk conned the world into buying his Tesla shares and making him a multi billionaire. Tesla has never made any money in it's history and if you count start up cost and R & D, they are still in the red with every car they sell. Musk leverage his shares price in Tesla into funding Starlink, which is the most profitable of his enterprises. SpaceX is also soon to be profitable. Tesla never will.

 

[Leongsam]

Tesla has always been a cog from day one for Starlink. Musk conned the world into buying his Tesla shares and making him a multi billionaire. Tesla has never made any money in it's history and if you count start up cost and R & D, they are still in the red with every car they sell. Musk leverage his shares price in Tesla into funding Starlink, which is the most profitable of his enterprises. SpaceX is also soon to be profitable. Tesla never will.

Start up overheads don't remain in the books forever. At some point the costs are written off as the ship sets sail to conquer new lands. That's where Tesla is today.

Much of the early expansion was funded by seed capital, equity or debt. I'm not sure how that is accounted for when working out profitability. I guess it depends upon the cost accounting principles which vary from country to country.

Publicly available information indicates that if you add up all the costs from 2003 till today vs sales revenue Tesla is in positive territory.

 

[Papsmearer]

Start up overheads don't remain in the books forever. At some point the costs are written off as the ship sets sail to conquer new lands. That's where Tesla is today.

Much of the early expansion was funded by seed capital, equity or debt. I'm not sure how that is accounted for when working out profitability. I guess it depends upon the cost accounting principles which vary from country to country.

Publicly available information indicates that if you add up all the costs from 2003 till today vs sales revenue Tesla is in positive territory.

If you take the complete start up costs eg factory set up, engineering, R & D, etc and depreciate it over each vehicle sold plus add actual cost of production and marketing and sales, every car they sell is in the red. They are losing money on it. But Musk doesn't care. Gongkias keep buying shares on Tesla, even though it's money losing and at a ridiculous PE ratio making him super rich and allowing him to fund Starlink and SpaceX.

 

[Leongsam]

If you take the complete start up costs eg factory set up, engineering, R & D, etc and depreciate it over each vehicle sold plus add actual cost of production and marketing and sales, every car they sell is in the red. They are losing money on it. But Musk doesn't care. Gongkias keep buying shares on Tesla, even though it's money losing and at a ridiculous PE ratio making him super rich and allowing him to fund Starlink and SpaceX.

The publicly available data refutes your assertion.

Tesla has been reporting positive GAAP net income for several years, including in recent quarters (e.g., $1.4 billion in Q3 2025), which already accounts for depreciated capital expenditures (like factory setup and engineering assets), R&D expenses, production costs, marketing, sales, and other operating costs allocated across their operations.

On a per-vehicle basis for Q3 2025:

• Tesla delivered 497,099 vehicles.
• This translated to approximately $2,762 in net profit per vehicle after all expenses.

Historically, while Tesla incurred losses in its early years (totaling about $6.4 billion from 2011–2019), cumulative net income from inception through 2024 was a profit of roughly $34.5 billion. Adding estimated 2025 net income (based on Q1–Q3 results of $3 billion, with Q4 pending but likely positive), the lifetime cumulative profit exceeds $37 billion. Spread across approximately 8.9 million vehicles delivered through 2025, this equates to an average lifetime profit of about $4,157 per vehicle.The claim that Tesla has never made money appears to echo outdated narratives from around 2015 when Tesla was indeed unprofitable on a per-vehicle basis, but current financials show the opposite. If the intent is to consider only variable production costs (excluding fixed/depreciated costs), Tesla's automotive gross margins have been positive (around 17% in Q3 2025), meaning they make money above direct manufacturing expenses per car sold.

 

[glockman]

no one gives a shit about your sarcasm. No one can be bothered to figure out whether it's sarcasm or not. When I put you down for stupid coments like the dumb bithc u are, then u resort to the "sarcasm" comment. hahahha. u are pathetic.

You put me down for stupid comments??!! You really think that, dumbo?

No one gives a shit? Well evidently you do!

You are cruel to those who have to interact with you. You see, being stupid is like being dead. You don't know it but all those around you do and have to go through pain. You're such an asshole. A stupid asshole.

 

[Willamshakespear]

Actually, it is very simple to calculate the ROI from investors viewpoint.

At the basic level of pragmatic Investments, many with big savings in their bank accounts would rather invest in firms that shows promise, with higher expectations on returns than to leave their hard earned savings in banks which the interest rates are often at a mere average 3% per year.

THUS, if a promising company which has proven record over 5 years with good fiscal management, or a REAL sure proof product that consumers would buy, investors are assured of getting higher ROI than from banks.

Tesla with its promising EV tech was certainly alluring, along with Mr. Elon Musk straight forward talking management style and his various other innovations that would uplift Humankind, and therefore investors plonk in their life savings for the R&D phase, etc.

While Tesla ROI was not great, but it is certainly more than what banks are offering on savings interest rates. And investors know they are in for the long haul, with higher than banks 3% per year saving rates.

CAREFUL Investments are not get rich schemes. Only gambling is BUT while one may make it big in gambling, equally true is that with gambling, one may even lose the pants that they are wearing. It's about risks.


The only mistake Mr. Elon Musk made was to produce his EV tech in communist ruled China, which is well known for ripping off others in tech, skipping the costs of R&D to develop the tech, and straight away copying the tech with no regards to anyone, to manufacture EVs enmassed.

Still, all is not lost, as Mr. Elon Musk had realized his mistake and proceeded onto other promising products and improving his own EV tech by leaps and bounds that the unscrupulous copycat communist Zhong dynasty engineers have no clue even to begin with.....more so when their copied communist EV cars are MASS PRODUCED, by the millions, WITH OLD EV TECH and UNSOLD OR LITTLE STOCKS SOLD, while NEW ONES from Tesla and other emerging Democracies' engineering evolution from the ancient ICE cars are far more innovative and safe.......


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[Papsmearer]

The publicly available data refutes your assertion.

Tesla has been reporting positive GAAP net income for several years, including in recent quarters (e.g., $1.4 billion in Q3 2025), which already accounts for depreciated capital expenditures (like factory setup and engineering assets), R&D expenses, production costs, marketing, sales, and other operating costs allocated across their operations.

On a per-vehicle basis for Q3 2025:

• Tesla delivered 497,099 vehicles.
• This translated to approximately $2,762 in net profit per vehicle after all expenses.

Historically, while Tesla incurred losses in its early years (totaling about $6.4 billion from 2011–2019), cumulative net income from inception through 2024 was a profit of roughly $34.5 billion. Adding estimated 2025 net income (based on Q1–Q3 results of $3 billion, with Q4 pending but likely positive), the lifetime cumulative profit exceeds $37 billion. Spread across approximately 8.9 million vehicles delivered through 2025, this equates to an average lifetime profit of about $4,157 per vehicle.The claim that Tesla has never made money appears to echo outdated narratives from around 2015 when Tesla was indeed unprofitable on a per-vehicle basis, but current financials show the opposite. If the intent is to consider only variable production costs (excluding fixed/depreciated costs), Tesla's automotive gross margins have been positive (around 17% in Q3 2025), meaning they make money above direct manufacturing expenses per car sold.

U better get a better source of information about Tesla. Tesla sells emissions credit to other car makers because regulatory laws require car makers to meet certain emissions levels which they can't. Tesla makes billions selling these credits. Not because each car they sell is profitable.

New YorkCNN Business —
Tesla posted its first full year of net income in 2020 – but not because of sales to its customers.

Eleven states require automakers sell a certain percentage of zero-emissions vehicles by 2025. If they can’t, the automakers have to buy regulatory credits from another automaker that meets those requirements – such as Tesla, which exclusively sells electric cars.

It’s a lucrative business for Tesla – bringing in $3.3 billion over the course of the last five years, nearly half of that in 2020 alone. The $1.6 billion in regulatory credits it received last year far outweighed Tesla’s net income of $721 million – meaning Tesla would have otherwise posted a net loss in 2020.



“These guys are losing money selling cars. They’re making money selling credits. And the credits are going away,” said Gordon Johnson of GLJ Research and one of the biggest bears on Tesla (TSLA) shares.

Tesla top executives concede the company can’t count on that source of cash continuing.

“This is always an area that’s extremely difficult for us to forecast,” said Tesla’s Chief Financial Officer Zachary Kirkhorn. “In the long term, regulatory credit sales will not be a material part of the business, and we don’t plan the business around that. It’s possible that for a handful of additional quarters, it remains strong. It’s also possible that it’s not.”

 

[Leongsam]

U better get a better source of information about Tesla. Tesla sells emissions credit to other car makers because regulatory laws require car makers to meet certain emissions levels which they can't. Tesla makes billions selling these credits. Not because each car they sell is profitable.

New YorkCNN Business —
Tesla posted its first full year of net income in 2020 – but not because of sales to its customers.

Eleven states require automakers sell a certain percentage of zero-emissions vehicles by 2025. If they can’t, the automakers have to buy regulatory credits from another automaker that meets those requirements – such as Tesla, which exclusively sells electric cars.

It’s a lucrative business for Tesla – bringing in $3.3 billion over the course of the last five years, nearly half of that in 2020 alone. The $1.6 billion in regulatory credits it received last year far outweighed Tesla’s net income of $721 million – meaning Tesla would have otherwise posted a net loss in 2020.



“These guys are losing money selling cars. They’re making money selling credits. And the credits are going away,” said Gordon Johnson of GLJ Research and one of the biggest bears on Tesla (TSLA) shares.

Tesla top executives concede the company can’t count on that source of cash continuing.

“This is always an area that’s extremely difficult for us to forecast,” said Tesla’s Chief Financial Officer Zachary Kirkhorn. “In the long term, regulatory credit sales will not be a material part of the business, and we don’t plan the business around that. It’s possible that for a handful of additional quarters, it remains strong. It’s also possible that it’s not.”

2020 is distant history things move very quickly nowadays.

EV credits helped Tesla get off the ground but they are no longer needed to maintain profitability.

Here's the latest figures :

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Tesla has not yet released Q4 or full-year 2025 financial results (earnings scheduled for late January 2026). Based on available quarters:

• Q2 2025: $439 million in regulatory credits.
• Q3 2025: $417 million (down 44% YoY from $739 million in Q3 2024).
• Partial year (through Q3 or mid-year filings): Credits are trending lower than 2024's ~$2.76 billion annual total, with analyst estimates for full-year 2025 around $1.5–2 billion amid increasing competition from other EV makers.

Even in peak years (e.g., 2024: ~$2.8 billion), credits represented a boost but not the sole source of profit:

• Tesla's 2024 net income was ~$7.1 billion.
• Without credits, automotive gross margins would be lower (e.g., often 2–5 percentage points lower), reducing profits but not turning them negative.
• In Q3 2025, despite lower credits, Tesla reported $1.4 billion GAAP net income.