Chitchat Beyond Suspicion? By Francis Seow

[scroobal]

It has been 10 years since the book was published. If you have not read it, do make an attempt. If you have read it you might want to read it again just to pick out things that you missed previously and also to see its relevance in the present context. Its quite heavy and rather cerebral but its worth the effort. It primarily revolves around Tang Liang and how the law is applied. It is sad but it shows how the judiciary system was hijacked and how the judges and even the courts registrars were led by the nose.

The book came to mind after the AGC letter on the abuse of court over Kho Jabing appeal but more pointeded after seeing the response from Lawyer Peter Low. He does have a minor entry in the book but it is not pleasant. I could not help but notice that there are people like that in the periphery of civil action groups.

Anyway there are interesting things like a Malaysian lawyer making a fool of our ex Cabinet Minister Jayakumar who thought he will support the old man in his hour of need.

More importantly it is true reflection of what Lord Daring said and Francis Seow quotes - In England Justice is open to anyyone, like the Ritz. And more so in Singapore.

 

[jw5]

Mark Amdrew Yeo Kah Chong (aka scroobal or Debonerman)

When will your book be published?

 

[Leongsam]

Mark Amdrew Yeo Kah Chong (aka scroobal)

When will your book be published?

Cut this damned rubbish please. You're testing my patience.

If you have an issue with Mark Andrew why don't you simply give him a call or go to his office and say whatever you want straight to his face instead of hiding in the shadows here.

If you want to make it personal take your feud to the real world. This forum is not the place for your childish vendettas.

 

[Annunaki]

Tried to read 'to catch a tar tar' but gave up as too heavy for me.... Charlie chan hock chye easier to digest

 

[gingerlyn]

Peter Low is a scum, ex Law Society President.
He has limited knowledge and skills and he keep telling reporters that he is Senior Lawyer in Singapore.
mother fucker. In Singapore you are either a normal lawyer or Senior Counsel. There is no such title as Senior Lawyer

 

[fanta]

It has been 10 years since the book was published. If you have not read it, do make an attempt. If you have read it you might want to read it again just to pick out things that you missed previously and also to see its relevance in the present context. Its quite heavy and rather cerebral but its worth the effort. It primarily revolves around Tang Liang and how the law is applied. It is sad but it shows how the judiciary system was hijacked and how the judges and even the courts registrars were led by the nose.

The book came to mind after the AGC letter on the abuse of court over Kho Jabing appeal but more pointeded after seeing the response from Lawyer Peter Low. He does have a minor entry in the book but it is not pleasant. I could not help but notice that there are people like that in the periphery of civil action groups.

Anyway there are interesting things like a Malaysian lawyer making a fool of our ex Cabinet Minister Jayakumar who thought he will support the old man in his hour of need.

More importantly it is true reflection of what Lord Daring said and Francis Seow quotes - In England Justice is open to anyyone, like the Ritz. And more so in Singapore.

Francis Seow is non-factor. People born in the 1980s or later either don't know who Francis Seow is or care who he is. The new citizens from China, India and Phillippines don't give Francis Seow a flying hoot. For the same reason, Chiam See Tong is non-factor in politics now, even during the time Chiam was MP for PP, he was nothing much but an "approved " opposition, the people getting into trouble with PAP by making noise is JBJ, CSJ, VW or even James Gomez.

Still not convinced that Francis Seow is non-factor? Take a look at Teo Soh Lung, ex-ISD detainee, if she is a "factor", she would have won Yuhua SMC in GE 2011. She didn't , why? Because the voters do not know much about the Operation Spectrum/Marxist Conspiracy or don't give a hoot about the Marxist Conspiracy and Teo Soh Lung. These are people of the past, including Chiam See Tong.

But if Chen Show Mow, Benjamin Pwee or Lim Tean gets arrested now under ISA and it is different, all Singaporeans, those born in the 1990s or later, those new citizens from China, India and Phillippines wlll about it, these are politicians of the present and not the past, therefore they would have some impact with the voters.

 

[GoldenDragon]

You need a dictionary with you when reading this book. Lots of 'cheem' words. I doubt if it is available in S'pore. JB bookstores maybe.

 

[GoldenDragon]

Peter Low is a scum, ex Law Society President.
He has limited knowledge and skills and he keep telling reporters that he is Senior Lawyer in Singapore.
mother fucker. In Singapore you are either a normal lawyer or Senior Counsel. There is no such title as Senior Lawyer

He is an ordinary lawyer. The term 'senior lawyer' is commonly used to reflect one's seniority in age and/or experience as a lawyer.

Subhas was referred to as a 'senior criminal lawyer' when he was alive.

 

[Debonerman]

He is an ordinary lawyer. The term 'senior lawyer' is commonly used to reflect one's seniority in age and/or experience as a lawyer.

Subhas was referred to as a 'senior criminal lawyer' when he was alive.

So is Peter Fernando.

 

[scroobal]

Cheem is indeed the operative word. A real slog. FS took a more legalistic approach probably as he was more comfortable with it and also to probably to target the legal foreign audience of the situation in Singapore.

You need a dictionary with you when reading this book. Lots of 'cheem' words. I doubt if it is available in S'pore. JB bookstores maybe.

 

[scroobal]

It more about the conduct of the judiciary and the players. When you read the book, you could see that Francis Seow was targeting the legal fraternity both local and international rather than treat it as a political expedition. The book reveals much much more than what the paper were reporting. Thats when you realise how bad the state controlled press is.

The conduct of Justice Lai Kew Chai for example is telling. And he was not the only one.

Francis Seow is non-factor. People born in the 1980s or later either don't know who Francis Seow is or care who he is. The new citizens from China, India and Phillippines don't give Francis Seow a flying hoot. For the same reason, Chiam See Tong is non-factor in politics now, even during the time Chiam was MP for PP, he was nothing much but an "approved " opposition, the people getting into trouble with PAP by making noise is JBJ, CSJ, VW or even James Gomez.

Still not convinced that Francis Seow is non-factor? Take a look at Teo Soh Lung, ex-ISD detainee, if she is a "factor", she would have won Yuhua SMC in GE 2011. She didn't , why? Because the voters do not know much about the Operation Spectrum/Marxist Conspiracy or don't give a hoot about the Marxist Conspiracy and Teo Soh Lung. These are people of the past, including Chiam See Tong.

But if Chen Show Mow, Benjamin Pwee or Lim Tean gets arrested now under ISA and it is different, all Singaporeans, those born in the 1990s or later, those new citizens from China, India and Phillippines wlll about it, these are politicians of the present and not the past, therefore they would have some impact with the voters.

 

[GoldenDragon]

The conduct of Justice Lai Kew Chai for example is telling. And he was not the only one.

I recall this bugger buying a unit at Nassim Jade.

 

[scroobal]

I don't think that Peter Low can hold a candle to either senior or junior Fernando.

So is Peter Fernando.

 

[GoldenDragon]

I don't think that Peter Low can hold a candle to either senior or junior Fernando.

i see junior fernando in the state courts quite often. senior fernando likely to have retired.

 

[Papsmearer]

Francis Seow is non-factor. People born in the 1980s or later either don't know who Francis Seow is or care who he is. The new citizens from China, India and Phillippines don't give Francis Seow a flying hoot. For the same reason, Chiam See Tong is non-factor in politics now, even during the time Chiam was MP for PP, he was nothing much but an "approved " opposition, the people getting into trouble with PAP by making noise is JBJ, CSJ, VW or even James Gomez.

Still not convinced that Francis Seow is non-factor? Take a look at Teo Soh Lung, ex-ISD detainee, if she is a "factor", she would have won Yuhua SMC in GE 2011. She didn't , why? Because the voters do not know much about the Operation Spectrum/Marxist Conspiracy or don't give a hoot about the Marxist Conspiracy and Teo Soh Lung. These are people of the past, including Chiam See Tong.

But if Chen Show Mow, Benjamin Pwee or Lim Tean gets arrested now under ISA and it is different, all Singaporeans, those born in the 1990s or later, those new citizens from China, India and Phillippines wlll about it, these are politicians of the present and not the past, therefore they would have some impact with the voters.

I see what you are saying. but I don't agree with it. As the population ages, those people born in the 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, constitute the vast majority of the voters. And they remember Francis Seow and Teo Soh Lung for sure. But they have no sympathy for Francis Seow as he Old fart's lap dog until they had a falling out. Those born more recently are internet savvy and they do know about the Amos Yee, Roy Ngerng and all those people. The new citizens, although numerous in numbers do not constitute a substantial voting bloc. At best, I would venture to say that they are about 100,000 strong. Its true that probably more then 250,000 new shitizens have been let into the country in the last few years, but not all are voting age. And also, many use singapore as just a stepping stone to a better country. I highly doubt they stay here long enough after they attain citizenship to vote. I know one PRC couple with a young son. They received their citizenships and shortly after that applied for immigration to Canada as Singapore citizens. They got it in within 3 years and moved to vancouver. This was their plan all along. And they never even voted once. Because they retain their singapore citizenships, they are on the books as new citizens. But you have to be a resident to vote or you can vote at an embassy overseas. These people are not going to bother voting.

 

[jw5]

Cut this damned rubbish please. You're testing my patience.

If you have an issue with Mark Andrew why don't you simply give him a call or go to his office and say whatever you want straight to his face instead of hiding in the shadows here.

If you want to make it personal take your feud to the real world. This forum is not the place for your childish vendettas.

According to you, scroobal is the best. If I have an issue with Mark Andrew Yeo Kah Chong, why would I associate him with scroobal?

Anyone with some intelligence would be able to conclude that it is because scroobal has been identified correctly as Mark Andrew Yeo Kah Chong that the responses from the monikers he uses (and occasionally you) have been over the top.

 

[GoldenDragon]

According to you, scroobal is the best. If I have an issue with Mark Andrew Yeo Kah Chong, why would I associate him with scroobal?

Anyone with some intelligence would be able to conclude that it is because scroobal has been identified correctly as Mark Andrew Yeo Kah Chong that the responses from the monikers he uses (and occasionally you) have been over the top.

absolutely agree and i am with you on this.

 

[GoldenDragon]

Cut this damned rubbish please. You're testing my patience.

If you have an issue with Mark Andrew why don't you simply give him a call or go to his office and say whatever you want straight to his face instead of hiding in the shadows here.

If you want to make it personal take your feud to the real world. This forum is not the place for your childish vendettas.

Hell hath no fury like a woman (gay boy) scorned?

 

[GoldenDragon]

According to you, scroobal is the best.

Leongsam kelonged! Don't be too upset.

No worries, JW5. All the rest of us here know you are THE best. Scroobal is a nobody, only a TPX.

You are the real deal - the alpha and the omega, the way, the truth and the life ...........

 

[Debonerman]

Leongsam kelonged! Don't be too upset.

No worries, JW5. All the rest of us here know you are THE best. Scroobal is a nobody, only a TPX.

You are the real deal - the alpha and the omega, the way, the truth and the life ...........

And the distinction of making other gays feel embarrassed by his behavior going by LGBT standard ....LOL