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Auto execs are coming clean: EVs aren't working

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Hybrids can reach >16km per liter

EV batteries are like 5-10x more expensive than Hybrid.

Many Hybrid cars comes with ten years battery warranty in Singapore now. Considering EVs need 1-2 change/repair of battery in ten years 150,000km, overall running costs should be similar.
What about resale value? In ang mor lands no COE..so after 10 years still can sell
 

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Lexus gives ten year hybrid battery warranty. Toyota don't
maybe they will give such promotion during Car Expo
Ok... than go buy a lexus.....it's a more luxurious toyota n servicing etc more expensive...n also depreciation might be worse...but still more reliable n depreciates less than BMW's n mercs etc
 

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Is there enough public charging if everyone thinks to charge at night? Even in Europe, not enough public charging. Unless you have a house and build your own charger( state guve subsidy)
You use public fast charging DC outlet only ocassionally and only till 80% capacity. Most EV owners charge at home using slower AC chargers which can go fully charge at off peak rates.
 

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Here is the possible game changer in EV.

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Solid-state battery startup Talent New Energy unveils cell with ultra-high energy density​



Phate Zhang
Apr 3, 2024 13:43 GMT+8

Talent said its solid-state battery cell prototype has an energy density of 720 Wh/kg, which is twice the energy density of Nio supplier WeLion's semi-solid-state battery cell.
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Chinese solid-state battery startup Talent New Energy has unveiled a new all-solid-state battery cell with ultra-high energy density, as the industry's quest for new battery technology continues to advance.
Talent has successfully developed the world's first automotive-grade, all-solid-state lithium metal battery prototype with a single cell capacity of 120 Ah and a real-world energy density of 720 Wh/kg, the company announced yesterday.











This sets new industry records for single cell capacity and highest energy density for lithium batteries, Talent said in a statement.
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For comparison, Nio's (NYSE: NIO) 150-kWh semi-solid-state battery pack uses cells from Beijing WeLion New Energy Technology, with a capacity of 360 Wh/kg.
The EV maker said last month that the pack will be in service in the second quarter and will give Nio vehicles a range of more than 1,000 kilometers on a single charge.
Talent's all-solid-state battery has twice the energy density of WeLion's semi-solid-state battery, meaning it is expected to give EVs a range of around 2,000 kilometers if it can be mass-produced.
 

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You use public fast charging DC outlet only ocassionally and only till 80% capacity. Most EV owners charge at home using slower AC chargers which can go fully charge at off peak rates.
Huh..u only charge at home if you have a house. How many who live i. Appartment can an charge at home???
 

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Electric cars are out and petrol is in, just as it should be
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Fri, April 5, 2024 at 8:05 PM GMT+8
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An electric vehicle charging station at Skelton Lake Service Station in Leeds
An electric vehicle charging station at Skelton Lake Service Station in Leeds More
If you fancy a new petrol car, best buy it now, before it is too late. It surely won’t be long before car manufacturers start to admit that their UK sales operations are in serious trouble, leading some to start withdrawing from the UK market altogether. Why? Because since January car-makers have been under the zero emission vehicle mandate (ZEV), to make sure that at least 22 per cent of the vehicles they sell are pure battery models – a proportion that will rise steadily until it reaches 80 per cent by 2030. If they fail to reach the target they could be fined £15,000 for every extra non-compliant vehicle they sell.

The trouble is, the proportion of sales made up by electric vehicles in March was only 15.2 per cent, and it going in the wrong direction. In March 2023, it was 16.2 per cent. It isn’t hard to work out what is going to happen. Unless there is a sudden pick up in interest in electric cars, manufacturers are going to find themselves in an impossible situation. They will be left with masses of unsold electric cars, while the cars they can sell – petrol and hybrids – will be subject to huge penalties.

So much for the idea that the Government has done the motor industry a favour by putting back the date of the proposed ban on petrol cars from 2030 to 2035. It is the ZEV which is the industry’s slow, silent nemesis. If car-buyers don’t want to play ball – and it seems they don’t – it is going to destroy the industry in Britain.

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Electric cars are a lesson in how governments can’t force people to buy a product they don’t want to buy, however much carrot and stick they use. Handouts of up to £4,000 per vehicle may have kept the market for electric cars purring for a while, as wealthy motorists scooped up taxpayers’ money to help show off their environmental credentials. But as soon as those grants were cut back, and eventually abolished, demand fell. Electric cars continue to enjoy a bizarrely generous tax regime, with owners still paying no road tax and – if they charge at home – only 5 per cent VAT on powering them. Buy a litre of petrol, on the other hand, and over half of what you pay goes to the taxman. Electric cars are heavy vehicles, and yet owners are paying virtually nothing to maintaining the roads which they are helping to wear away – still less contributing to the cost of new roads or to general government coffers.

The idea that the handouts would propel electric cars to the point at which they attracted mass interest has proved to be wrong. Motorists still aren’t taking the bait because, for many, electric cars remain impractical. They are too expensive to buy new, they don’t go far enough on a charge, they take too long to charge and – if you are one of the nine million UK households without off-street parking – they can be expensive, and a complete pain, to run.

If the Government wants to retain a car industry, it needs to rethink the ZEV quickly – before car-makers start to find themselves paralysed by huge fines for the heinous crime of selling too much of a product people want to buy and not enough of a product which they don’t.
 

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Huh..u only charge at home if you have a house. How many who live i. Appartment can an charge at home???
Apartment management should arrange charging stations in apartment blocks. Or a law should be enacted for several units in a apartment, a charging unit should be made available.
 

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This could be a game changer.

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Solid-state battery startup Talent New Energy unveils cell with ultra-high energy density​



Phate Zhang
Apr 3, 2024 13:43 GMT+8

Talent said its solid-state battery cell prototype has an energy density of 720 Wh/kg, which is twice the energy density of Nio supplier WeLion's semi-solid-state battery cell.
2024040305380583.jpg

(Image credit: Talent New Energy)
Chinese solid-state battery startup Talent New Energy has unveiled a new all-solid-state battery cell with ultra-high energy density, as the industry's quest for new battery technology continues to advance.
Talent has successfully developed the world's first automotive-grade, all-solid-state lithium metal battery prototype with a single cell capacity of 120 Ah and a real-world energy density of 720 Wh/kg, the company announced yesterday.












This sets new industry records for single cell capacity and highest energy density for lithium batteries, Talent said in a statement.
| Join us on Telegram to receive news instantly

For comparison, Nio's (NYSE: NIO) 150-kWh semi-solid-state battery pack uses cells from Beijing WeLion New Energy Technology, with a capacity of 360 Wh/kg.
The EV maker said last month that the pack will be in service in the second quarter and will give Nio vehicles a range of more than 1,000 kilometers on a single charge.
Talent's all-solid-state battery has twice the energy density of WeLion's semi-solid-state battery, meaning it is expected to give EVs a range of around 2,000 kilometers if it can be mass-produced.

Talent said it has made breakthroughs in a number of key technologies for all-solid-state lithium batteries, including ultra-thin dense composite oxide solid-state electrolytes, high-capacity cathode and anode materials, and an integrated solid-state battery molding process.
The newly announced battery's positive electrode uses high-capacity, long-cycle lithium-rich manganese-based materials, while the negative electrode uses a composite lithium metal-based material that is ultra-wide, ultra-thin and combines high cycle stability and high multiplicity, according to the company.
Meanwhile, Talent has improved the migration of charged particles inside the positive electrode by constructing an efficient ion and electron transport network, it claimed.
The company's in-house developed flexible layer materials have also helped realize an improvement in the comprehensive performance of the battery, which is expected to fundamentally solve the range and safety anxiety of traditional lithium-ion batteries, it said.
 

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Apartment management should arrange charging stations in apartment blocks. Or a law should be enacted for several units in a apartment, a charging unit should be made available.
Shoulda Woulda ....

Hard to find a charging station in Sillypore, the smart city
 

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Gosh. Of course they're not along theain roads like petrol stations la. Haizz.

Gosh! Obviously you have not ventured outside Singapore to countries where EV infrastructure are well developed like Scandinavia, or Europe...

Just do a comparison using google map to search for EV charging stations in Singapore vs say in city like Munich or Stockholm. Singapore is laughing stock of smart nation

I want you to answer why is Singapore so lousy
 

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Chicon land EV will take over the world...

BYD is launching its next-gen Blade EV battery soon with more range and even lower cost
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BYD is expected to launch its next-gen Blade EV battery later this year. The battery will promote more range at an even lower cost. Will the new battery be BYD’s X-factor in its “liberation battle” over gas-powered vehicles?

BYD to launch new Blade EV battery in 2024
FinDreams, BYD’s battery unit, launched the first-generation Blade battery in 2020, revolutionizing the industry.

BYD’s Blade batteries power Tesla, Ford, Kia, Hyundai, Toyota, and other popular electric vehicles from major automakers. The batteries are a major reason behind BYD’s success.

The batteries are installed in most BYD models, such as the low-cost Seagull, Dolphin electric hatch, and Atto 3 SUV.

By using lithium-iron-phosphate as the cathode material, BYD can make the batteries much cheaper. Not only that, but they also offer competitive power density compared to NCM batteries.

With a “Blade-like” design, the battery is built for maximum safety while offering “ultra-long range and ultra-long lifespan.” The longer, flatter design saves space and weight for better efficiency.

BYD is set to change the game again with its next-generation Blade EV battery. BYD’s CEO, Wang Chuanfu, said the new battery will be even smaller and lighter with the same endurance during a recent financial meeting, according to a report by Fast Technology.

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BYD Dolphin Mini (Seagull) testing in Brazil (Source: BYD)
BYD’s leader added that it will also reduce power consumption per 100 km, which will likely promote more range and performance.

The company’s latest Blade batteries have an energy density of up to 150Wh/kg. BYD’s next-gen EV battery is expected to reach upwards of 190Wh/kg.

This could enable fully electric models to exceed 621 miles (1,000 km) CLTC range, which would be the highest among LFP batteries. The report claims BYD will release the new battery as soon as August 2024.

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BYD Dolphin (left) and Atto 3 (right) Source: BYD
Electrek’s Take
After declaring a “liberation battle” on gas-powered cars earlier this year, BYD has launched a series of lower-priced EVs, undercutting rivals.

BYD’s cheapest EV, the new Seagull, starts at just $9,700 (69,800 yuan). And it’s already creating a stir among legacy automakers. Ford’s CEO Jim Farley called the low-cost EV “pretty damn good,” as he warned rivals.

BYD claims new energy vehicles have entered “the knockout round” over gas-powered cars with superior tech and comparable prices. The comments come with its next-gen DM-i (PHEV) system due out soon, which is expected to enable nearly 1,200 miles (2,000 km) CLTC range.

With new EVs rolling out in China, BYD sees joint venture brands’ market share falling from around 40% to 10% over the next three to five years.

The leading Chinese EV maker is also quickly expanding overseas, with plans to sell one million vehicles overseas in 2025, up from 240,000 last year.

Source: CarNewsChina, Fast Technology
 
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