Association of Small and Medium Enterprises hits out at Workers' Party population pap

[Kinana]

Re: Association of Small and Medium Enterprises hits out at Workers' Party population

no to subsidised rent..they must pay true rents

Thats correct. Then let them pay what the market can bear for efficient use of resources.

 

[I_Hate_Pappies]

Re: Association of Small and Medium Enterprises hits out at Workers' Party population

Thats correct. Then let them pay what the market can bear for efficient use of resources.

Examples? Like Ho Jinx efficiency in losing our money? :oIo:

 

[sleaguepunter]

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Ever noticed how food quality plummets whenever more branch restaurants/franchising/outsourcing occurs? The expendable employees who're paid an hourly pittance certainly can't be bothered that you're getting quality food/service. And can you blame them? It's not a family business.

And the price of the food has remained high despite the supposedly low labour costs... obvious profiteering from the restaurant owners and those who collect the shop space rent.

never never eat at restaurants that had multiple branches. boss no long cook himself and depend on hired help. like that why got consistency? i never like putien or tunglok, got style only not substance.

 

[Leongsam]

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Too often, all I see is that bosses are not willing to pay higher rates for older workers because they think the workers will not stay with the company for long and they are not as willing to sacrifice their time as the younger ones.

I have hired older PMETs. The problem with older staff in general is :

1. They're set in their ways.
2. They used me as a stepping stone to something bigger with more fringe benefits.

I fully admit that I cannot match the terms, the prospects or the stability provided by the larger companies. However, I have had an excellent run with the Foreigners. They remind me of the Malaysians in the good old days. They deliver a solid day's work, they make few frivolous demands, they stay for an average of 5 to 7 years and they're willing to work flexi hours. This allows the the directors to concentrate on bringing in the work and planning for the future without being constantly bogged down by staffing issues.

 

[Kinana]

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I have hired older PMETs. The problem with older staff in general is :

1. They're set in their ways.
2. They used me as a stepping stone to something bigger with more fringe benefits.

I fully admit that I cannot match the terms, the prospects or the stability provided by the larger companies. However, I have had an excellent run with the Foreigners. They remind me of the Malaysians in the good old days. They deliver a solid day's work, they make few frivolous demands, they stay for an average of 5 to 7 years and they're willing to work flexi hours. This allows the the directors to concentrate on bringing in the work and planning for the future without being constantly bogged down by staffing issues.

spoken from a true businessman, not one of those who never ran a business and then want to tell PAP how to run a country.

 

[Leongsam]

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if u unable to get sporeans employees to work on weekend, that goes to say your man management skill not up to class yet.

I'm not there anymore and I don't run the show. Man management skills do vary from person to person but that's life. You certainly aren't going to find top notch man management skills in small companies.

They're started by entrepreneurs that are good in their chosen fields. They aren't managers they're risk takers and many are very intolerant of any behavior which they perceive as a weakness.

 

[Leongsam]

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spoken from a true businessman, not one of those who never ran a business and then want to tell PAP how to run a country.

Armchair critics.... the world is full of them.

 

[sleaguepunter]

Re: Association of Small and Medium Enterprises hits out at Workers' Party population

I'm not there anymore and I don't run the show. Man management skills do vary from person to person but that's life. You certainly aren't going to find top notch man management skills in small companies.

They're started by entrepreneurs that are good in their chosen fields. They aren't managers they're risk takers and many are very intolerant of any behavior which they perceive as a weakness.

if u cannot get YOUR sporean employees to work on weekend, that your own problem. but dont label EVERY singaporean as lazy and calculative.

 

[Kinana]

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if u cannot get YOUR sporean employees to work on weekend, that your own problem. but dont label EVERY singaporean as lazy and calculative.

on the whole, definitely more lazy and attitude problem compared for foreigners.

 

[Leongsam]

Re: Association of Small and Medium Enterprises hits out at Workers' Party population

if u cannot get YOUR sporean employees to work on weekend, that your own problem. but dont label EVERY singaporean as lazy and calculative.

If I go back to my multinational days when I was an employee manager, I do have to point out that every single department in the company had problems with getting Singaporeans to be flexible in their working hours and postings but had no problems whatsoever with the Malaysian Chinese who were only too happy to be sent to hardship postings as long as it was worth their while.

I'm not saying that all sinkies are useless and lazy. I'm saying a large number are too set in their routines and too attached to their comfort zones.

 

[Kinana]

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If I go back to my multinational days when I was an employee manager, I do have to point out that every single department in the company had problems with getting Singaporeans to be flexible in their working hours and postings but had no problems whatsoever with the Malaysian Chinese who were only too happy to be sent to hardship postings as long as it was worth their while.

I'm not saying that all sinkies are useless and lazy. I'm saying a large number are too set in their routines and too attached to their comfort zones.

Thats why I am all for these FTs competing and giving singkies a kick in their butts.

 

[Spock]

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I have hired older PMETs. The problem with older staff in general is :

1. They're set in their ways.
2. They used me as a stepping stone to something bigger with more fringe benefits.

I find there is a contradiction between your two observations. For older people who are set in their ways, most I have met do not really wish to jump to a totally new environment unless the pay is something they can't refuse. My conclusion is that they wish to jump not because they are using you as a stepping stone but rather, the conditions are so bad that they would take the next job even if the pay is only slightly higher.

The people who leave will usually say they are leaving for better pay to save the faces of everyone. What may not be spoken is that they just want change so badly.

 

[Leongsam]

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The people who leave will usually say they are leaving for better pay to save the faces of everyone. What may not be spoken is that they just want change so badly.

They came from bigger companies. They're probably used to the hierarchy that larger organisations provide. Working for a smaller company can be unnerving if you aren't used to it.

I took those who had been unemployed for months and had no bargaining power because they were out of a job. A couple of years later, they were back in large organisations with all the inherent fringe benefits.... in house canteen... company doctors....etc.

Is my company the best SME in Singapore? definitely not. Is it the worst.... not by a long shot. However, it has lasted for more than 2 decades and has always been profitable save a couple of bad patches but we had the cash reserves to pull through.

I'd be the first to admit that I started the company for myself and not for my employees. My primary interest is ME. My long term goal was to get rich and sell the company and retire. My goal has never been to help my employees get rich and retire. If they want to get rich, they are welcome to start their own companies just like I did. Nothing is stopping them from taking the same route.

I'd be full of respect for an employee who resigned to start his own show and kick my butt. Strangely, it has never happened.

Conversely, I have zero respect for those who have never run their own companies but are full of wisdom when it comes to telling me how I should run mine.

 

[TracyTan866]

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Thats correct. Then let them pay what the market can bear for efficient use of resources.

yes..the pap must not prop up bad businesses by subsidising them with cheap foreign labour..these bad businesses must be allowed to close because they cant compete ..with closure of such marginal businesses, there will be less demand for office space, shops and so rentals will go down. demand will decrease and so rental will drop...that's real true rental.

I am glad you understand economics now.

the pap bringing in artificially cheap foreign labour is actually subsiding wages at the expense of social harmony, social well being, social cost.

 

[Kinana]

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yes..the pap must not prop up bad businesses by subsidising them with cheap foreign labour..these bad businesses must be allowed to close because they cant compete ..with closure of such marginal businesses, there will be less demand for office space, shops and so rentals will go down. demand will decrease and so rental will drop...that's real true rental.

PAP never subsidised them, in fact they have to pay levy for them. Don't you know?

I am glad you understand economics now.

the pap bringing in artificially cheap foreign labour is actually subsiding wages at the expense of social harmony, social well being, social cost.

They are not artificially cheap. They came willingly on their own and happy to be here.

 

[TracyTan866]

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PAP never subsidised them, in fact they have to pay levy for them. Don't you know?




They are not artificially cheap. They came willingly on their own and happy to be here.

you dont seem to understand economics.

the pap is subsidising businesses with cheap labour at the expense of social cost. the pap must allow businesses to pay true wages for SG labour when they do business in SG.

Can a business in SG get a SG cashier, with SG cost of housing, cost of living , SG cost of education at $1.2k? The pap allows businesses in SG to emply cheap foreigners as cashiers but not at true economic costs. SG and Singaporeans pay a social cost when the pap govt allows businesses to cheap foreigners who come in and litter, congest, pollute, etc..

 

[Kinana]

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you dont seem to understand economics.

the pap is subsidising businesses with cheap labour at the expense of social cost. the pap must allow businesses to pay true wages for SG labour when they do business in SG.

There is no subsidy at all. In fact the salaries are kept artificially high by the levies. Not one cent came out from tax payers, what subsidy are you talking about?

Can a business in SG get a SG cashier, with SG cost of housing, cost of living , SG cost of education at $1.2k? The pap allows businesses in SG to emply cheap foreigners as cashiers but not at true economic costs. SG and Singaporeans pay a social cost when the pap govt allows businesses to cheap foreigners who come in and litter, congest, pollute, etc..

Who told you Singkies are suppose to work at cashiers? We are executuves and managers remember?

 

[ZombieFart]

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you dont seem to understand economics.
the pap is subsidising businesses with cheap labour at the expense of social cost. the pap must allow businesses to pay true wages for SG labour when they do business in SG.

many people cannot appreciate the difference between local market and global market with respect to SMEs...

this is because we are taught to think globally whenever we are inefficient locally..

always think big with a small dick

 

[sleaguepunter]

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If I go back to my multinational days when I was an employee manager, I do have to point out that every single department in the company had problems with getting Singaporeans to be flexible in their working hours and postings but had no problems whatsoever with the Malaysian Chinese who were only too happy to be sent to hardship postings as long as it was worth their while.

I'm not saying that all sinkies are useless and lazy. I'm saying a large number are too set in their routines and too attached to their comfort zones.

as for claiming msian as better attitude employee, i cannot agree. my first job was a listed freight forwarder. had a msian pr (sabah) colleague, everyday leave on the dot, MCs and leaves to the max, moonlight as bartender. 1 fine day suddenly dont come to work. resigned later by sms. KNN, when we go over his work to take over his work, we found out he anyhow do. nobody have any idea how to solve the problem as every customers disputed outstanding amount. (due to his nonsense)

msians or any foreigners are no better than singapore in work attitude. if foreigners work attitude good, we wont see maid abuse employer's kids, FWs run off before end of contract etc etc...

as for being complain kings, everybody will have something to complain. my wife work in HR for a big organisation. everyday she come home to tell me mind bobbling stories about local and foreigner employees asking for the sky but them without giving extra efforts.

 

[prancku]

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I am surprised that as a businessman, you do not pressurize the government to control so many areas of cost to business e.g. Property rentals, transportation etc. In fact, the cost of living is a key factor determining the wage expectation of locals.

I fully agree with you brother.

Control the rise in rentals and other costs such as transportation (COEs, ERPs, petrol tax, etc) and other indirect taxes (GST, workers' levy, fees for application and approval of WP, SP, EP) and you cut off three quarters the rise in business costs. Amongst these, rentals from GLCs and statutory bodies, is the single biggest killer of business efficiency & productivity. High rental costs in Sinagpore are also the single most important factor that drive inflation, higher business and living costs.

However, mandarins have all these while been drunk upon the intoxicating, ever flowing cash cows of higher and higher rentals, COEs, ERPs, etc, so much so that now they cannot do without them. Without these tools, at stake will be their fulfilling their very important KPI of revenue generation and their year end six months (or more) bonuses.

I do not have the proper figues, but if somehow these fat cats sitting up there enjoying their high rental incomes can be controlled and curbed, you will see how much efficiency, productivity and happiness amongst the populace will rise in Singapore.

Majullah Singapore!!!