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American Capitalism vs Swedish Socialism

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Stossel: Sweden is Not a Socialist Success
THE TRUTH ABOUT SWEDISH SOCIALISM: Debunking the lies of the left
Scandinavian Countries Are NOT Socialist!
 

syed putra

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Democratic Socialism lah.
Not even close.
Sweden was a socialiststate in the 1980's but they abandoned it when the economy deteriorates.

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SWEDISH EX-PRIME MINISTER REBUKES BERNIE: SOCIALISM ONLY DESTROYS
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Swedish Ex-Prime Minister Rebukes Bernie: Socialism Only Destroys
03/04/2019Alice Salles
Socialism never stopped enticing young American minds. But the more Democratic Socialists such as Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez open their mouths, we learn the movement’s most vocal proponents simply ignore socialism’s incompatibility with democracy, as demonstrated by Austrian economist Ludwig von Mises in A Critique of Interventionism . Sen. Bernie Sanders is one of them.
With the Vermont senator announcing he’s running for president, his past comments defending socialism and socialist countries notorious for their failures become the type of material critics are eager to dissect. Especially because he still calls himself a Democratic Socialist while using Nordic countries as examples of what he defends.
Thankfully, political figures from the very countries the good senator from Vermont calls “socialist” are here to remind him that the ideology is nothing but a trap.
Prime Minister of Sweden from 1991 to 1994, Carl Bildt, took to Twitter to warn Sanders that socialism is not the key to creating a great society as he and Ocasio-Cortez seem to think.
After old footage showing Sanders and his wife, Jane, praising the Soviet Union for its programs targeting the youth went viral online, Bildt responded by saying “Sanders was lucky to be able to get to the Soviet Union in 1988 and praise all its stunning socialist achievements before the entire system and empire collapsed under the weight of its own spectacular failures.”
To the former prime minister, the damage socialism can cause is still fresh in his memory. After all, he was the first prime minister in 60 years to not subscribe to the ideology. And thanks to him, Sweden’s capital gains taxes were cut to 30 percent and corporate taxes to 28 percent.
Bildt also privatized several state-owned industries, deregulated multiple sectors of the economy, allowed people to invest portions of their pension, and introduced school choice policies, improving the country’s education system.
After Bildt, Sweden, which had completely lost its host of entrepreneurs thanks to business taxes that sometimes exceeded the 100 percent mark, once again flourished. Even as Social Democrat successor Ingvar Carlsson took over.
Seeing the wonderful changes just a few years worth of reform had done, Carlsson kept Bildt’s policies in place. And business start-ups rose nearly 25 percent as a result.
Unfortunately, politicians like Sanders like to use countries like Sweden as examples of how socialism can work.
The same politician who, in the late 1980s, praised breadlines and celebrated the Soviet Union for forcing its youth to dedicate their whole lives to communism, now tells Americans that the so-called “Nordic model” of socialism can and will work in America. And yet, he seems clueless to the fact that the policies he pushes don’t mirror those adopted by the countries he celebrates.
As explained by Danish Prime Minister Lars Løkke Rasmussen in 2015, countries like his Denmark “[are] far from [socialist planned economies].”
“Denmark is a market economy,” he added. And as demonstrated by Mises in Economic Policy: Thoughts for Today and Tomorrow , there’s “no western, capitalistic country in which the conditions of the masses have not improved in an unprecedented way.”
In other words, to claim the successes of Nordic countries are due to socialism is nothing but a lie.
As the Acton Institute pointed out, Sanders’ ideology, the same ideology upheld by Ocasio-Cortez and countless others who are now legislating in Washington, D.C., is about putting statism before freedom.
In order to apply the policies they push, we would have to relinquish complete control over our lives, allowing the state to squelch artistic expression, private initiative, and destroy any incentive left compelling people to serve each other better and more efficiently.
Is that the world we want to live in?
 

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For every article you put forth, I can counter it with ten. You have no clue how democratic socialism work.

Democratic socialism? LOL!.... You don't even know what you are talking about. What is democratic? What is socialism? Might as well say democratic authoritarianism or Democratic imperialism, or democratic capitalism. Socialism is socialism. How it comes about whether by democratic route or dictatorial route, it is still socialism.
 

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America gave us the internet, iPhone and Space X.

What did Sweden give the world?

Do they care? People are happy there ....no worries on paying the essentials in life, ie education, healthcare, retirement pension, unemployment assistance and childcare - because their taxes cover those items. Peace of mind. Can afford to smell the flowers. Little envy because people are being taken care. They don't ask to be rich but comfortable in their middle class existence.

The world should be like that instead of the animalistic capitalism where the spoils are reserved for a minority.
 

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Democratic socialism? LOL!.... You don't even know what you are talking about. What is democratic? What is socialism? Might as well say democratic authoritarianism or Democratic imperialism, or democratic capitalism. Socialism is socialism. How it comes about whether by democratic route or dictatorial route, it is still socialism.

You don't even know the difference between politics and economics, take a hike and stop wasting my time.
 

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You don't even know the difference between politics and economics, take a hike and stop wasting my time.

There you go! You don't even know what you are talking about. Politic and economics? LOL!.... Socialism is socialism. No need to be like PAP painting beautiful words just to hide the ugly truth.
 

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There you go! You don't even know what you are talking about. Politic and economics? LOL!.... Socialism is socialism. No need to be like PAP painting beautiful words just to hide the ugly truth.

You are like the stupid Americans, freak out by the mere mention of socialism. NHS is part of socialism, in case you don't know. Likewise, public education in the West.
 

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Nothing cutting edge. And look at Ericsson today, once the pride and joy of the swedes.

Seriously.... Ikea??? Lumberjacks.


You asked what has sweden given to the world and he gave you the names.

Then you said they are non cutting age.

No one can ever argue with you. You are a serial winner!
 

tanwahtiu

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Western democrazy is about:

1. Can walk naked and nude in the streets flapping her boobs.

2. Have sex in their backyard with neighbors watching...

3. Guns and bullets rules to keep u out of my house and garden.

4. Scold, spit, abuse of foreginers were their God dam rights.... whenever and whereever they see fits...

5. Only they cam be no.1 of everythings and hates competitions.

6. They can go to foreginer lands to stir shit was their human rights...

7. Only their currency exchange rate must be higher than foreginers... to distingush between 1st world Me and 3rd world You...

Tioboh hope this helps

Psst...psst...if you like my bullshit click the like button...


Democratic socialism? LOL!.... You don't even know what you are talking about. What is democratic? What is socialism? Might as well say democratic authoritarianism or Democratic imperialism, or democratic capitalism. Socialism is socialism. How it comes about whether by democratic route or dictatorial route, it is still socialism.
 

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Do they care? People are happy there ....no worries on paying the essentials in life, ie education, healthcare, retirement pension, unemployment assistance and childcare - because their taxes cover those items. Peace of mind. Can afford to smell the flowers. Little envy because people are being taken care. They don't ask to be rich but comfortable in their middle class existence.

The world should be like that instead of the animalistic capitalism where the spoils are reserved for a minority.

I suggest you stop using the internet for a 100 days to see how much you like it without the technological advances brought about by the free markets.

If you're still around, it means you love technology as much as I do. :thumbsup:
 

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Do they care? People are happy there ....no worries on paying the essentials in life, ie education, healthcare, retirement pension, unemployment assistance and childcare - because their taxes cover those items. Peace of mind. Can afford to smell the flowers. Little envy because people are being taken care. They don't ask to be rich but comfortable in their middle class existence.

The world should be like that instead of the animalistic capitalism where the spoils are reserved for a minority.
Swedes happy?? The suicide rate tells a different story.

Singaporeans are far more content with their lot.

Happiness is not about having everything taken care of by some other entity. It's about living a fulfilling and enjoyable life and meeting challenges head on.

RankCountryContinentSuicide rate per 100,000
32Europe13.8
105 Singapore(more info)Asia7.9
 

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America gave us the internet, iPhone and Space X.
What did Sweden give the world?
Aquavit (piss job +40%)
Vikings (ancient rapes across UK, with descendants)
Northern Lights?

Funnies aside, Sweden's a socialist bastion
 
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