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</td></tr> <tr><td class="msgtxt" id="msgtxt_1">So I say CPF is not a Ponzi scheme because the Spore government keeps on delaying the amount and the age at which you can withdraw your CPF.
I also say CPF is not a Ponzi scheme because the number of Singaporeans contributing to the fund is getting smaller and smaller due to low birth rates and migration out of Singaporeans but the importation of 2.5 million FTs into Singapore all contributing to the CPF.
I also say CPF is not a Ponzi scheme because if all those who are eligible to withdraw at the original age of 55 years and had the date been the same and they could withdraw all the CPF money there would not be enough to pay them.
I also say that CPF is not a Ponzi scheme because Singaporeans do not know where their CPF money is invested in.
So you see CPF is not a Ponzi scheme.
What Is A Ponzi Scheme – In Simple Terms
by Glen
With all of the talk about Bernie Madoff heading off to jail for a few years (a century or so) the thought on a lot of people’s minds is How did he do it? and What is a Ponzi scheme?
I came across the post Explaining the Ponzi Scheme to a Fifth Grader recently. I think the explanation pretty much nails it! Here it is:
The are a couple of lessons in this:
Know what you are investing in AND There’s no such thing as a free lunch!
You have to know where your money is going. If not then you are asking for trouble. From what I’ve been hearing people were throwing their money at Madoff so he could invest it. They didn’t care how he did it so long as they got back huge returns. I feel horrible for those people who lost their retirements and for all of the charitable organizations that were hurt. But you have to ask the big questions and in this case the questions is Where is the money going to get those returns?!?
It may not be fun learning about personal finance and investing but a little knowledge goes a long way. Sure it’s fun to say you’re getting 15% every year on your investment but you have to questions how!
Am I being too harsh?
I don’t mean to be. These people were swindled and hurt! The whole situation bothers me. It seems there’s no real accountability with Wall Street any more. There were warnings going back a decade about Madoff’s “investments” that went ignored.
Here’s a little lighter side that I also picked up from AMoores (where I saw the simple Ponzi explanation):
How do you feel about it all?
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</td></tr> <tr><td class="msgtxt" id="msgtxt_2">Fark PAP for gambling our money in overseas investments NOW no money to pay to retired CPF members.
Fark PAP !!!
PAP go to HELL!!!
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</td></tr> <tr><td class="msgtxt" id="msgtxt_3">I fear for the next govt if they found an empty vault. They too will have no choice but to keep quiet for fear of unimaginable chaos if the people get to know all their lives' savings gone!</td></tr> <tr><td> </td></tr> </tbody></table><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td class="msgleft" width="1%"> </td><td class="msgopt" nowrap="nowrap" width="24%">
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</td></tr> <tr><td class="msgtxt" id="msgtxt_4">The irony is thAT THE 60% WHO VOTED FOR THE pap ARE STILL SLEEPING.They will faced a rude shock when they could not withdraw their CPF money.They need to be awaken by electric shock after haeing been brainwashed for 30 years.
Fark PAP!!!
Go to HELL PAP !!!
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</td></tr> <tr><td class="msgtxt" id="msgtxt_1">So I say CPF is not a Ponzi scheme because the Spore government keeps on delaying the amount and the age at which you can withdraw your CPF.
I also say CPF is not a Ponzi scheme because the number of Singaporeans contributing to the fund is getting smaller and smaller due to low birth rates and migration out of Singaporeans but the importation of 2.5 million FTs into Singapore all contributing to the CPF.
I also say CPF is not a Ponzi scheme because if all those who are eligible to withdraw at the original age of 55 years and had the date been the same and they could withdraw all the CPF money there would not be enough to pay them.
I also say that CPF is not a Ponzi scheme because Singaporeans do not know where their CPF money is invested in.
So you see CPF is not a Ponzi scheme.
What Is A Ponzi Scheme – In Simple Terms
by Glen
With all of the talk about Bernie Madoff heading off to jail for a few years (a century or so) the thought on a lot of people’s minds is How did he do it? and What is a Ponzi scheme?
I came across the post Explaining the Ponzi Scheme to a Fifth Grader recently. I think the explanation pretty much nails it! Here it is:
Say you went to your sister and told her, if she gives you a dollar to invest today, you will give it back to her on Tuesday next week and she will get $1.25. Then you go to your other sister and tell her the same thing only you will give her $1.25 Wednesday. Then you go on to your dad and every person you know and tell them the same thing. As you’re going around asking for money from other people you know, you give your first sister her $1.25 and she’s happy to have twenty five cents extra just for letting you invest her $1. So she says, why don’t you keep my dollar and invest it some more? So you say, OK.
But the thing is, you weren’t really investing it were you? You were just using other people’s money to make it look like you are earning money for them. Do you see how you will eventually run out of money especially if they all ask for their money at the same time?
So she answers, Yeah, but can’t I just ask more money from more people? Yeah, you can do that but what if you ran out of people to ask and also ran out of time? That’s what happened to Bernie Maddox and that’s why he’s going to jail.
She then said, but they said he still has millions of dollars and he’s not really in jail. True.
About $68 billion lost summed up pretty nice!But the thing is, you weren’t really investing it were you? You were just using other people’s money to make it look like you are earning money for them. Do you see how you will eventually run out of money especially if they all ask for their money at the same time?
So she answers, Yeah, but can’t I just ask more money from more people? Yeah, you can do that but what if you ran out of people to ask and also ran out of time? That’s what happened to Bernie Maddox and that’s why he’s going to jail.
She then said, but they said he still has millions of dollars and he’s not really in jail. True.
The are a couple of lessons in this:
Know what you are investing in AND There’s no such thing as a free lunch!
You have to know where your money is going. If not then you are asking for trouble. From what I’ve been hearing people were throwing their money at Madoff so he could invest it. They didn’t care how he did it so long as they got back huge returns. I feel horrible for those people who lost their retirements and for all of the charitable organizations that were hurt. But you have to ask the big questions and in this case the questions is Where is the money going to get those returns?!?
It may not be fun learning about personal finance and investing but a little knowledge goes a long way. Sure it’s fun to say you’re getting 15% every year on your investment but you have to questions how!
Am I being too harsh?
I don’t mean to be. These people were swindled and hurt! The whole situation bothers me. It seems there’s no real accountability with Wall Street any more. There were warnings going back a decade about Madoff’s “investments” that went ignored.
Here’s a little lighter side that I also picked up from AMoores (where I saw the simple Ponzi explanation):
How do you feel about it all?
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</td></tr> <tr><td class="msgtxt" id="msgtxt_2">Fark PAP for gambling our money in overseas investments NOW no money to pay to retired CPF members.
Fark PAP !!!
PAP go to HELL!!!
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</td></tr> <tr><td class="msgtxt" id="msgtxt_3">I fear for the next govt if they found an empty vault. They too will have no choice but to keep quiet for fear of unimaginable chaos if the people get to know all their lives' savings gone!</td></tr> <tr><td> </td></tr> </tbody></table><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td class="msgleft" width="1%"> </td><td class="msgopt" nowrap="nowrap" width="24%">
</td></tr> <tr><td class="msgtxt" id="msgtxt_4">The irony is thAT THE 60% WHO VOTED FOR THE pap ARE STILL SLEEPING.They will faced a rude shock when they could not withdraw their CPF money.They need to be awaken by electric shock after haeing been brainwashed for 30 years.
Fark PAP!!!
Go to HELL PAP !!!
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